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    Corn Burning Fool giff57's avatar
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    Trips generated from retail development

    Does anyone have a guess on the trips generated from a 180,000 sq ft retail development?
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    Too little detail to say...

    Do you have a better breakdown of the uses inside? Is it one large big box type retailer or a combination of different types of retail use summing up to 180,000 sq.ft.?

    Any answer you will get is going to have to be taken with a grain of salt; a lot of people may be wary of responding for that reason.

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    I'd suggest finding a book like these, and figuring it out yourself. There are no simple answers.

    http://www.ite.org/cgi-bin/searcht.c...&sw=3&de=0&it=
    http://www.ite.org/bookstore/tripgen.pdf
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    Check this link

    It may be in this ITE spreadsheet (depending on exact use):
    http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showt...rip+generation
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    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner View post
    I'd suggest finding a book like these, and figuring it out yourself. There are no simple answers.

    http://www.ite.org/cgi-bin/searcht.c...&sw=3&de=0&it=
    http://www.ite.org/bookstore/tripgen.pdf

    No no no - you'll put people like me out of a job!

    I'll echo previous posters and suggest you provide more information...I can easily provide an answer straight from the ITE book, but local conditions mentioned really do impact trip generation.

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    It will be a medium box anchor (Kohl's) of about 80,000 sq ft and a strip of other retail yet to be determined of about 100,000 sqft. Local population of 30K and about 150K within 50 miles.
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    Quote Originally posted by Tranplanner View post
    No no no - you'll put people like me out of a job!

    I'll echo previous posters and suggest you provide more information...I can easily provide an answer straight from the ITE book, but local conditions mentioned really do impact trip generation.
    Thats why I suggest he doing his own research, then reminded him that there were no simple answers. I know our modelers live for people to ask them that sort of stuff. For my applications, I try to keep things simple (I work on the project programming, finance, and selection end).
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    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner View post
    Thats why I suggest he doing his own research, then reminded him that there were no simple answers.
    Sheesh! That's what I get for contributing to Thousand Post Tuesday! I have hired the RPC to calculate that for me. Do my own research.... that's a good one.
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    Quote Originally posted by giff57 View post
    It will be a medium box anchor (Kohl's) of about 80,000 sq ft and a strip of other retail yet to be determined of about 100,000 sqft. Local population of 30K and about 150K within 50 miles.
    Ask thier engineers for a TIA.

    Especially if they are us, we like those change orders.

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    Dammed try to appease Tranplanner and E85... not an easy thing to do.

    Mea Culpa!
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    Quote Originally posted by Chet View post
    Ask thier engineers for a TIA.

    Especially if they are us, we like those change orders.
    Makes me wonder who the engineer is. Want to fill us in, Giff?
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    They have hired a local engineer. Kohl's is just leasing and the developer is out of AZ.
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    Since this is a shopping center, using the ITE shopping center makes sense, especially when it will show more trips overall in comparision to the study that Kohl's is using for their stand-alone stores. However, if this is phased, you might want to look at it differently.
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    Haven't they conducted actual studies from their previous shops?

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