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    The First 2016 Presidential Election Thread

    There are already polls gauging sentiment for the 2016 Presidential Election.

    Hilary Clinton seems to be leading in Iowa for the Dems. If Romney doesn't win in 2012 and is not a candidate in 2016, Huckabee is leading in Iowa in terms of favorability and is tied with Santorum for who Republicans in Iowa would like to see on the GOP ticket.


    Too soon?
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    Quote Originally posted by WSU MUP Student View post
    There are already polls gauging sentiment for the 2016 Presidential Election.

    Hilary Clinton seems to be leading in Iowa for the Dems. If Romney doesn't win in 2012 and is not a candidate in 2016, Huckabee is leading in Iowa in terms of favorability and is tied with Santorum for who Republicans in Iowa would like to see on the GOP ticket.


    Too soon?
    Yes, way too soon. Let's finish this presidential election and let the 2014 mid terms get rolling before thinking about 2016.

    With that said a friend of mine is a super delegate and Martin O'Malley of MD is already trying to make inroads.
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    Yeah, if Hillary doesn't run, it'll probably be between Cuomo and O'Malley on the Democrat side.

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    I heard Barack Obama is dismantling the constitution and planning on using Islamic super-armies to make himself supreme ruler and president of America forever.

    If that doesn't happen I would like to see Hillary v. Hunstman.

    I also really hope we can start getting some serious third party challengers.
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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    I also really hope we can start getting some serious third party challengers.
    I agree...
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    Uhhh

    Everyone seems to have forgotten that if Obama loses, HE will be the Democratic nominee in 2016.

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    Quote Originally posted by jswanek View post
    Everyone seems to have forgotten that if Obama loses, HE will be the Democratic nominee in 2016.
    Nobody's pulled that off successfully since Grover Cleveland.
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    Quote Originally posted by jswanek View post
    Everyone seems to have forgotten that if Obama loses, HE will be the Democratic nominee in 2016.
    He would have zero chance of being nominated. Why would anyone nominate a lame duck who's not already sitting?

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    Quote Originally posted by Blide View post
    He would have zero chance of being nominated. Why would anyone nominate a lame duck who's not already sitting?
    Try Grover Cleveland.

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    Quote Originally posted by jswanek View post
    Try Grover Cleveland.
    In Cleveland's days, it was often very difficult to get someone to agree to be nominated. People back then didn't necessarily clamor to become President like today.

    Plus, it was a very different nominating process back then.

    No chance in hell Obama is the Democratic nominee in 2016 if he loses.
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    Lets not forget there were no term limits when Grover Cleveland was reelected either.

    It honestly makes no sense to send someone against an opponent they already lost to when there are stronger candidates in the party.

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    Quote Originally posted by btrage View post
    In Cleveland's days, it was often very difficult to get someone to agree to be nominated. People back then didn't necessarily clamor to become President like today.

    Plus, it was a very different nominating process back then.

    No chance in hell Obama is the Democratic nominee in 2016 if he loses.
    I think his supporters would almost demand it, pegging any loss on racist hate.

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    Quote Originally posted by btrage View post
    In Cleveland's days, it was often very difficult to get someone to agree to be nominated. People back then didn't necessarily clamor to become President like today.

    Plus, it was a very different nominating process back then.

    No chance in hell Obama is the Democratic nominee in 2016 if he loses.
    I agree...I think President Obama becomes the second US President to sit on the Supreme Court sometime in the next 15 years or so. How is that for a bold prediction?
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    Quote Originally posted by Brocktoon View post
    I agree...I think President Obama becomes the second US President to sit on the Supreme Court sometime in the next 15 years or so. How is that for a bold prediction?
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    Quote Originally posted by Richmond Jake View post
    Dude, you smoke a lot of pot when you were young?
    Suprisingly no...but I am high on 10% real fruit juice right now!!!
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    Quote Originally posted by jswanek View post
    I think his supporters would almost demand it, pegging any loss on racist hate.
    Yes, the Kenyan food stamp president who is a foreigner and non-Anglo Saxon Socialist is much beloved in the South, lower Midwest, parts of interior Intermountain West, lower income white areas.... where's the emoticon for 'projection'

    Nevertheless, 2016 is a long way away, and Hillary has to weigh whether she wants to put up with the transference of uppity Kenyan to Hitlery female and whatever else AM radio and SuperPACs vomit. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't have done it in 2008 either, knowing what mess there was to clean up, so why do 2016 when the mess is still there?

    Quote Originally posted by Brocktoon View post
    I agree...I think President Obama becomes the second US President to sit on the Supreme Court sometime in the next 15 years or so. How is that for a bold prediction?
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    Quote Originally posted by Brocktoon View post
    I agree...I think President Obama becomes the second US President to sit on the Supreme Court sometime in the next 15 years or so. How is that for a bold prediction?
    I actually think Bill Clinton would be a far more likely choice. But I don't see that happening. For some strange reason, Prez/Congress seems to believe that prior experience sitting on a bench, working your way up through the various courts, is a prerequisite. Personally, I would like to have someone up there that has held a significant elected office just so they have a legislative perspective. I think it would help them to better understand the roles.

    "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

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    Quote Originally posted by Suburb Repairman View post
    I actually think Bill Clinton would be a far more likely choice. But I don't see that happening. For some strange reason, Prez/Congress seems to believe that prior experience sitting on a bench, working your way up through the various courts, is a prerequisite. Personally, I would like to have someone up there that has held a significant elected office just so they have a legislative perspective. I think it would help them to better understand the roles.
    Bill Clinton almost got disbarred and agreed not to practice law for some period of time. Justice Kegan has no time on the bench but was a professor, clerked for some high profile justices and was solictor general but the last elected official to sit on the court was Sandra Day O'Connor who was once a state senator.

    My rationale for President Obama ending up on the court in the future (I meant to say 15 plus years from now not within) because of his background, his age (just turned 51) and his experience with the law. I agree the court needs more diversity when it comes to experience.

    As for the topic at hand I think the nominees for both parties in 2016 will have experience as a governor.
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    Quote Originally posted by Brocktoon View post
    As for the topic at hand I think the nominees for both parties in 2016 will have experience as a governor.
    That does seem to be a growing trend with nominees (or at least competitive nominees)---transitioning from state executive branch to federal executive branch. You saw that come up A LOT this last primary season on the GOP side (Romney, Perry, Pawlenty, Huntsman), and the Republican Governors group has gained a lot of clout in recent years.

    "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

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    After seeing what happened to Buddy Roemer and Gary Johnson this year, I'm not even convinced being a governor is important. I'm almost willing to say the powers that be made sure those two would not receive the attention they should have.

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    Quote Originally posted by Suburb Repairman View post
    That does seem to be a growing trend with nominees (or at least competitive nominees)---transitioning from state executive branch to federal executive branch. You saw that come up A LOT this last primary season on the GOP side (Romney, Perry, Pawlenty, Huntsman), and the Republican Governors group has gained a lot of clout in recent years.
    Obama was the first president since Kennedy not to have been a governor before being elected. As John Kerry learned it is hard to run for President as a sitting Senator...you have to make too many procedural votes. Now with SuperPAC and unlimited anonymous corporate dollars they will be able to keep candidates defending their record instead of telling people what they will do once elected.

    Since 2016 is so far off I think you will see a governor few are talking out make a strong run a la Clinton in 1992.
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    You people all have far too much time on your hands...

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    I still won't be eligible to be President.... maybe 2020 is my year....
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    Quote Originally posted by jswanek View post
    I think his supporters would almost demand it, pegging any loss on racist hate.
    True. As my aunt likes to say, he is such a whining race-mongering crack addict marxist muslim anti-American. This has nothing to do with race!
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