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    Sports Team Mascots

    Quote Originally posted by JNA
    What are the UDN (University of De Noc) and Michigan Shores State University mascots ?
    Great question, JNA.....

    University of De Noc Tigers
    Michigan Shores State University Golden Eagles

    Pro sports mascots.....

    De Noc Superiors (Football, NFL)
    De Noc Laughing Whitefish (Hockey, NHL)
    De Noc Bobcats (Basketball, NBA)
    De Noc Thunder Bears (Baseball, MLB)

    Minor league in metro.....

    Fairhaven Zephers (Hockey)
    Wildwood Reds (Baseball)

    Note: If you are ever in the central north Upper Peninsula of Michigan, there is a real Laughing Whitefish River and a Laughing Whitefish Falls. There used to be a tavern called The Laughing Whitefish, with a great logo sign out front that my mind sees as the logo for De Noc's hockey club. That bar is closed, to the best of my knowledge.

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    Quote Originally posted by Bear Up North
    ...De Noc.....my in-home attempt to present a fake large metropolitan area ....
    De Noc is fake??? I was hoping to visit this fall after tourist season was over. Dang it. Another fantasy shot to smitherines. Guess I'll go out to California and see mom instead.

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    Urban Renewal

    In the late 1960's and early 1970's, De Noc moved forward (some would now say "backward") on urban renewal.....that planner-famous catch phrase that was going to transform urban vistas into beautiful boulevarded plazas, with spledid high-rise living, and a sense of community thought "not there" in the old neighborhoods that the towers replaced.

    We all know that most urban renewal projects of that time period did not work. These areas became the new "projects".....high crime areas with a sea of broken windows and shattered dreams. The quaint neighborhood market, a great place to pick-up your Easter sausage, made way for the bars-in-the-windows carry-out.

    I am telling you things you already know about urban America's larger cities.

    De Noc went on that same ill-fated adventure. Over a period of about seven (7) years I developed ten (10) different urban renewal areas. At the same time that I was tearing-up the old and drawing-in the new, I was a believer of high-rise living via a local housing authority (De Noc Metropolitan Housing Authority). Naturally, expressways criss-crossed these areas. (It never occured to me that the eventual inhabitants would not have cars. I was clueless.)

    The largest project was the Southern City Renewal District. This included much of the area just south of downtown De Noc, and today is a "no man's" land of crime, drugs, and the poor. The district's boundaries stretched all the way south to inner-ring suburbs Orangewood, Elwood, and Indian Springs.

    The Northern City Renewal District fared somewhat better. Part of this area included the now-gone suburb of Oak Falls (annexed by De Noc). Many of the homes in the old Oak Falls remain, although a swath of housing was taken when the new State Capitol complex was built. The area does have some high-rise DNMHA units, but they have stayed in better condition, perhaps due to the strengths of the government offices that dot the area.

    The Lexington Renewal District was, in all reality, just an annexation. The old inner-ring suburb of Lexington, including the nicer old homes lining the shore of Cloud Lake, was annexed by De Noc. There was some neighborhood "re-development" (aka wrecking ball blues), but not a lot.

    The Villa Renewal District was a smaller version of the Lexington land grab. Orange Village ceased to exist as the De Noc city father's marched their corporate limit express northward.

    Three (3) projects just east of downtown De Noc (North Renewal District, Brooklyn Heights Renewal District, Inner-City Renewal District) were all experiments in urban planning, circa 1960's. These areas are filled with low-rise DNMHA units. I did pencil-in a large park area at that time, seeing that I had a lot of housing with little to no green space.

    Two (2) smaller districts (Northern Hills Renewal District and Clear River Renewal District) were also developed. The Northern Hills district was, in all reality, a land grab by local manufacturing companies. Clear River helped pave the way for the De Noc Memorial Coliseum complex, home of the NBA De Noc Bobcats.

    The Central City Renewal District covered a large area west of downtown De Noc, and stretched as far as inner-ring suburb Des Plaines. Some good things came out of these developments, including additional campus land for Michigan Shores State University, luxury high-rise buildings along the south shore of Devils Lake, and the metro's first real gambling district.

    In a future post I will tell you a little bit about the De Noc Metropolitan Housing Authority (DNMHA), such as number of complexes, units, etc.

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    I was reading this thread even before you posted it recently. That is some crazy stuff. And I thought I was crazy?...who am I kidding? 40 years...that is incredible. You need to go to somewhere and tape your place together...you might set a world record...the largest planned out fictional city ever! I also love the in-depth statistics you keep on everything. I do the occasional business lists and school information, but the amount of time and effort you put into your city is truly amazing. You are now my hero. I intend to continue growing my city and make a new one that's even better, more realistic, and actually to scale. But I don't think I'll ever top De Noc.
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    The Cleveland Plain Dealer (newspaper) has been doing a series for more than a year, on regional government and all of those "things" that often overlap in larger metropolitan areas. Things like fire protection, school districts, park districts, etc.
    The articles are focused on the monies that could be saved if there was more of a consolidation effort with a lot of these services.

    De Noc is experiencing those same pains.

    De Noc is the big central city. But there are more than seventy (70) cities and or township governments in the contiguous metropolitan area. Over the years of drawing De Noc I have been converting townships and villages to cities, as their physical and population growth continued upward. Every suburb has their own school district, fire station(s), municipal building(s), maintenance service center facilities, etc.

    Like so many other USA metros, in the De Noc metro you can find two (2) fire stations within a half-mile of each other, in two (2) separate communities, serving two very separate areas. (The Toledo suburb of Ottawa Hills has their village offices, including police, in a building that is just a few feet from the Toledo corporate limit boundaries. Years ago, a serious assault took place within earshot of the Ottawa Hills police station but they did not respond.....the Toledo police had to. extreme example, maybe, but illustrative of the problem.)

    There is some regional cooperation. The suburban school districts have a joint purchasing group and share the benefits of this policy with the De Noc Public School District. The public library system is a county-wide venture, supported by county-wide tax dollars. The De Noc Metropolitan Park Board is also funded from the county's coffers.....and that includes every park, forest preserve, and playground in the entire metro.

    The bottom-line here is that I have been using the template provided by The Plain Dealer's articles to explore regional government and how it might be applied to metro De Noc. School district consolidation comes to mind first, because the potential dollar savings are too high to ignore.

    Also considering fire station district consolidation. But before I tackle that one (1) I have to get a handle on the actual stations I have now.....location, area served, etc.

    Actual regional government.....probably won't happen.

    Bear Not In Jacksonville, Louisville, Indianapolis

    In other De Noc posts, I have mentioned that over the years I probably built too dang many expressways. Couple reasons for an Amish Sim City guy to do this, including I just didn't know any better and it took me a while to really get in the habit of looking at "the big picture".....so expressways were not located too close to each other. I was all about moving people on divided highways.

    Just finished a project where I determined exactly how many miles of expressway that De Noc has, how many lane miles, etc. This detailed spreadsheet lists every expressway and every feeder. (Note: My "feeders" are limited-access highways that feed neighborhoods or main roads, usually extending from an exit on an expressway.)

    The De Noc metro has eighteen (18) separate expressways and seven (7) feeders. Of the expressways, three (3) are very short, just serving as routes between the more major expressways.

    Of the fifteen (15) major expressways, four (4) are the "outerbelt", known as Metropolitan Parkway - North, South, East, and West. The northeastern portion of the Parkway is I-98. The outerbelt on the northwest and the west is I-498. On the east and southeast the Metropolitan Parkway is I-298. I-98 is the designation for the southwestern portion of the Parkway. (I-98 cuts-through central De Noc, as part of the Northern Michigan Expressway.)

    Metropolitan De Noc has 164 constructed (drawn) miles of expressway. This includes the feeders, the short expressways, the longer expressways, and the outerbelt. The total built (drawn) lane miles are 952.5. (The metro I most often compare De Noc to is the Twin Cities. They have 1227 lane miles.)

    Metro De Noc has 2.60 lanes per / square mile. Portland (2.09) and Atlanta (1.75) are shown here for comparison.

    My numbers for De Noc do not include future growth. My numbers only show the actual built (drawn) miles, so the actual metro total would be much higher, because the outerbelt would be "finished". If it makes you feel any better about a non-planner who builds too many expressways, most of the plats that I have drawn in the last few years have had limited expressways. I now do a much better job of aligning the fantasy of my city with the reality of the built world.

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    Hah, Bear you could have got all of this information from the DeNoc MPO. I remember something about rairoads. Do you have buslines too?

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    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner
    Hah, Bear you could have got all of this information from the DeNoc MPO. I remember something about rairoads. Do you have buslines too?
    I had to do a google for MPO. Sorry, this Bear is not an official planner so sometimes the jargon is out of my reach.

    After doing the googling, I would have to assume that this Bear IS the De Noc MPO.

    Railroads.....The metro is served by the North Central Railroad (with corporate headquarters for this large midwestern company in suburban Bailey Creek).....a couple local belt line roads, The De Noc Trunk Line Railroad and The De Noc Belt Line Railroad.....and some roads that "still exist" in the fantasy world of De Noc: Soo Line (pre-merger with Wisconsin Central), and Chicago & Northwestern. Milwwaukee Road traffic is about fifty (50) miles west of the metro, accessible via interchanging with westbound North Central units.

    Traffic tie-ups at some grade crossings are an issue in the metro, especially in the western and southwestern 'burbs. De Noc has a major iron ore loading facility on Big Bay De Noc and the through routes to the port are mostly grade crossings. Also, De Noc Edison's coal-fired plants require unit trains and have been known to raise the temper of a waiting SUV driver.

    A very successful industrial story is in the southwestern suburb of Alaska House. Trinity Corporation has a huge plant that builds the small ore cars so visible in the Lake Superior region and new-generation flat cars, for modal transportation needs.

    Awhile back on this thread, I indicated that De Noc's passenger station (downtown) was closed because there was no Amtrak service. Some readers responded that the metro's size and influence would have led to Amtrak service. I may have to change my mind on that one (1).

    Bus Service.....There are two (2) bus lines serving De Noc, Greyhound and Short Way.

    Taxis.....The metro area has five (5) different cab companies that compete for fares. Three (3) of those are located near downtown De Noc.

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    Continuing the transportation discussion; cargo/freight container movement;

    Is the harbor deep enough to handle a container ship ?
    and then there is gantry for handling the containers.

    Has the railyard expanded to handle the inter-modal tranfer ?
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    JNA Is Keeping This Bear On His Toes

    Quote Originally posted by JNA
    Continuing the transportation discussion; cargo/freight container movement;

    Is the harbor deep enough to handle a container ship ?
    and then there is gantry for handling the containers.

    Has the railyard expanded to handle the inter-modal tranfer ?
    JNA....here are some answers and comments.....

    The harbor is deep enough to handle lake boats ("lakers") and ocean freighters ("salties"). Lakers that are inbound to the port are primarily bringing in coal, from Toledo or Ashtabula, for electrical generating plants (De Noc Edison Company). Outbound lakers are usually filled with iron ore pellets, from the two (2) large ore mines west of Marquette, MI. Ore traffic is heavier in colder months, when the Marquette ore docks are not in use because of Lake Superior conditions and the closing of the Sault Locks.

    Salties are usually bringing in some specialty products from Europe and/or northern Quebec. A big export on salties are snowmobiles, manufactured in the metro by a couple different companies. Other exports are automobile parts for Germany, industrial kitchen equipment, school bus bodies, and De Noc Lager Beer, for all of Europe's discriminating imbibers.

    There is a large gantry crane, but it is not for containers. De Noc.....and the Great Lakes.....are not container-ready. Too few containers can go on a saltie, because the salties that cruise the lakes have to fit through a Welland Canal and St. Lawrence Seaway that were built for ships of another era.

    Concerning inter-modal transfer.....

    Already have a small transfer site, built about twenty (20) years ago, in the suburb of Valleyview. That site is somewhat outdated and I have on my to-do list a project that would place a new and large transfer site in a western suburb. Have not decided on the exact location. Probably West Fairhaven or Skybear.

    So many projects.....so little time.....

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    Sorry for the use of Jargon Bear, Toledo's MP) is TMACOG. You may need to update your buslines. Michigan Does not support Greyhound up there, I believe its Indian Trails only (I know only a geek would know this stuff so I'm guilty as charged).

    In terms of buses however I was not thinking intercity (Greyhound) but intracity (TARTA)

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    Let's take a drive, from downtown De Noc, south to West Warwick Hills Boulevard, and then motor west. To give you a feel for De Noc.....

    We just pulled our car out of the underground parking garage, onto southbound Long Lake Boulevard, Northern Michigan Route 99. We are still in the land of the skyscrapers, as we cruise past four (4) major buildings that are each over 30-stories tall. But we see daylight ahead.....we are approaching the area known as The Convention Center District.

    The De Noc Memorial Convention Center is on our right, as we drive under the People Mover line. A number of hotels and casinos surround the center. We continue southbound, with Long Lake Boulevard still an 8-lane street.

    Tightly-packed older homes are now the norm, many in bad condition. Just after New Engand Junior High School we turn right, onto 2-lane West Warwick Hills Boulevard. Within a couple of city blocks we motor past the De Noc Metropolitan Housing Authority's (DNMHA) New England Apartments complex (24 each 6-story buildings). Across the street from the public housing project is the Blue Line - Orange Line Transfer Station, of the De Noc Transit System (DNTS). That heavily-used monorail station backs-up against the Lakeside Expressway.

    The street crosses the South Expressway (interchange here) and curves south, past a huge plastics factory. There is a grade-crossing railroad track here, that feeds the plastics factory. Next to Festy's Tavern the road turns right and becomes a true boulevard, moving westbound. The terrain is noticeably hilly, and the homes along the boulevard are bigger and well-kept. Most of these homes were built around the turn of the century. Warwick Hills Country Club comes into view on our right, as do the towers of KXMM Radio. The boulevard goes over a small bridge (Clear River....actually just a creek at this point) and continues west.

    West Warwick Hills Boulevard continues through the wooded areas of Western Park (150 acres). A small shopping area just past the park includes a Bunky's Burgers joint. Boy those little things are every bit as good as White Castle's "sliders".

    The boulevard then turns south and goes over (with an interchange) the Southbelt Expressway. Another small bridge takes WWHB over, again, the Clear River. Just past that bridge the boulevard again curves west. Off to the left you can see the 4-story Michigan Plastics Company Administration Building. Behind that you can see some of Michigan Plastics' industrial plants.

    The terrain levels-out a bit as we approach the junction with Ohio Boulevard. Continuing west we see the big Southwood Tubing plant. At the next major intersection (Indiana Boulevard) there is a new Wal-Mart, across the street from an older shopping center, Huntington Village. As we continue west, then southwest, we motor past the old (and now closed) Huntington Heights Drive-In Theater. Nearby is an access road to take vehicles to the Southbelt Expressway. The area becomes noticeably more wooded and the homes along the boulevard are very-well kept (circa 1920's).

    We notice the Fidelity Kitchen Machine plan on our left, at the intersection with Detroit Avenue. Again we interchange with the Southbelt Expressway, because WWHB and The Southbelt parallel each other through much of the southwest metro. The boulevard enters the corporate limits of Lakewood, as we pass the Strawberry Creek Golf Course. We can see the smallish Strawberry Lake on our left. Strawberry Lake is also a busy lake for boaters, because it has an outflow canal, dug through a swampy area, that connects some major inland lakes in the area.

    As we continue west we actually cross a set of bridges going to and from a small island in Neverland Lake. That island has about a dozen larger lakefront homes and a small country club golf course (Strawberry Island Country Club). This area also some boat canals, with homes built along the canals. The next major intersection is with Cleveland Avenue.

    We leave Lakewood and re-enter De Noc's corporate limits, in a neighborhood known as Woodbridge. There is an interchange here with The Sportsway, an expressway in the west metro that is adjacent to a number of major sports venues.

    Just past that junction we enter the city of Winterwood. Impressive Packer Hill looms on the left in this area of homes built in the 1990's and 2000's. On the right we can see, peeking through side yards of these large lakeside homes, Western Highlands Lake. Concord Avenue junctions from the left and just past that we cross over the Metropolitan Parkway - West (I-98 / US 2). There is a major interchange here, with the usual spat of hotels, motels, restaurants, and retail.

    West Warwick Hills Boulevard has now become a 4-lane road. The road takes us through downtown Winterwoods. The downtown area is relatively new, and it includes an office park, a number of small businesses, a small strip shopping center, some churches, and some apartment complexes. On the western edge of Winterwoods the road intersects with Skybear Highway, just before the City Of Winterwoods Transit Station (DNTS), on the Red Line.

    West Warwick Hills Boulevard turns into a 2-lane road and crosses the Sturgeon River (not much wider than a creek). The road enters the Rapid River National Forest and becomes Forest Highway U.

    Our trip took us on surface streets, for a distance of about sixteen (16) miles. We went from a vibrant and busy downtown (De Noc), through some older and tougher public-housing neighborhoods, into gently-rolling turn-of-the-century areas, past some industry, through an inner-ring suburb (Lakewood) and through an outer-ring suburb (Winterwoods).

    Hope you enjoyed your drive. Let's park the car at the Winterwoods Transit Station and take The Red Line back into downtown De Noc.

    Bear

    This Bear has been drawing a new suburb for the De Noc Metropolitan Area. Of course, there is an assumption that this place has been growing all along, over the years. It is just now being recognized......because I am physically creating it.....as a city (and not just suburban township growth).

    The city is Bailey Creek, Northern Michigan. I have worked on it for two (2) consecutive Sundays, relaxing in the AC while the humid weather wipes everybody out. Gave it about six (6) hours each day. Still not done.

    Preparation
    I make sure that I have enough pre-cut to my specific requirements sized drawing paper (22.5" x 17.5"). I need six (6) sheets for Bailey Creek. When finished, the city will be two (2) miles wide (east-west) and 2.25 miles deep (north-south). That is 2 plats wide and 3 plats deep = total 6 plats.

    A whole stack of sharpened number 2's. Yard stick, circle templates, protractor, straight edge, calculator, iced tea, old movie in the VCR/DVD/Cable Box.

    Then, the files and the other reference maps. Multi-page documents and lists and printed hard copy spread sheets that detail the businesses, organizations, industries that I need in this particular area of the metro. (As if I was in a retail development location planning office, etc.) Reference maps include the railroad routes (and future proposed routes), the main roads (with logical patterns, directions).

    Amish Mapping. Release 4.5
    For a six-plat city like Bailey Creek the first thing I do is draw the connections to the map plats that are already done and constitute the "neighbors". To the north of Bailey Creek is Alaska House. To the east (adjoining 2 plats) is Katie Shores. The plat in the lower right hand corner abuts Lake Michigan, so I have some shoreline to play with.

    Those connections included Bailey Creek Road, Rico Road, Northern Lights Avenue, Columbus Avenue (Northern Michigan Route 102), and I-98/US-2. Other connections include the neighborhood streets, railroad tracks, and the shoreline of Bailey Creek (which has its' mouth at Lake Michigan.)

    On a sheet of scratch paper I will draw a couple different road plans, attempting again to be as logical as possible. Because it is a suburban community, I will draw a downtown area. During this process I am continually refering back to my lists and maps to draw-in all that needs to be here. In the case of Bailey Creek, my connection to the real world is I-98 and US 2, both coming into the metro from the west (specifically Escanaba). So, when US 2 splits from I-98 in Bailey Creek the road becomes The Escanaba Highway. I-98 shrinks from 8-lanes to 6-lanes as it leaves the metro.....and I am quite sure that a few miles farther west it shrinks again, to 4-lanes.

    Because I want to include some major railroad-related industries in this area I continually reference the railroad map, thinking as I draw, if I was an engineer yanking a train of pulp cars through this area, what tracks would I need to stage and sort inbounds and outbounds. (I did create a "wye" in the northwestern part of the new city. For non-railroaders, a "wye" is a place that the track is layed-out in such a manner that it allows you to turn a train engine.....motive power.....around. Wyes are not very popular anymore, because today's diesel-electrics can operate freely in any direction they face.)

    Nearing Completion
    The next time I plop in front of the old movie player and work on the metro, I will finish Bailey Creek. Upon completion I will slide once again though my lists, making sure that I didn't miss something important. "Hey, Bear. Are all the kids in Bailey Creek smart or something? You didn't build an elementary school."

    Then I will lay-out the completed plats, and adjacent plats, next to each other. I need a large room for this. This gives me an overview and, quite frankly, a lot of pride. My favorite part.

    Then I go through each plat and compile all of the numbers that have to be added to all of the collected statistics for my metro. Population, expressway lane mileage, interchange descriptions, points-of-interest (for the Chamber of Commerce), tall buildings (stories, name), industries (type, square-footage, primary product), parks and beaches (all the info for standards meeting).

    At a later date I will jump into the computer files, add all of the data, update metro population, etc.

    The birth of a hand-drawn city.....Bailey Creek.

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    Alaska House

    For those of you that follow the De Noc thread AND gazed at the pictures from the recent Michigan Stanfest in Kalamazoo......here's some info.....

    The photo with some plats from metro De Noc that were placed on the ground did not photograph well. You can see, though, that there are fourteen (14) sheets of paper. If you could get close this is what you would see:

    Alaska House and Bailey Creek are two (2) southwest metro suburbs.
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    Alaska House
    I named Alaska House after a tavern I was in, in Ironwood, MI (Upper Peninsula), many years ago. I thought....cool name....so I saved it for a suburb.

    Alaska House is the 10th largest suburb of De Noc, with a city population of 27,067. The city is comprised of eight (8) square miles, situated on gently rolling hills, with the Sturgeon River meandering through a portion of the community.

    Downtown Alaska House is centered at the corner of Bailey Creek Road and Southwestern Hi-Way. The relatively-new downtown business district has the usual strip centers, restaurants, grocery store (Food City), and some smaller businesses. The famed Alaska House tavern is now located here, too.

    There are some low-rise apartment buildings and there is a 26-story high-rise apartment building, Chimney Hill Apartments. Helping to create a mini-skyline in the downtown area are a couple State of Northern Michigan Office Buildings, the Public Utilities Commission Building and the Department Of Mental Health Building (both 10-stories tall). Across Southwestern Hi-Way are three (3) more skyscrapers, located in the large Timberstone Office Park.

    The area just east orf downtown Alaska House has some significant hills (Three Suns Hill, Chimney Hill), another tall apartment building, and some more smaller businesses. West of downtown you will find the city's High School and Junior High School, Rico Park (80 acres), and a large area of motels and restaurants that are at the junction of Southwestern Hi-Way and The Southbelt Expressway (I-98 / US-2).

    Sprinkled between all of the above-mentioned development are hundreds of newer homes, most built in the last ten (10) to fifteen (15) years, and many apartment complexes. The northern portions of the city include some industry and significant single-family housing tracts. The northern boundary borders the city of De Noc and Porcupine Lake.

    The southern parts of Alaska House include the huge Trinity Industries manufacturing plant (iron ore and flatbed rail cars) and a number of cul-de-sac type subdivisions.

    Three (3) miles of the Southbelt Expressway (I-98 / US-2) skirt the western edge of the city. Primary arterials include Bailey Creek Road, Alaska House Road, Rico Road, Clooney Avenue, and Southwestern Hi-Way. Traffic is heavy in the community because of the higher population (a lot of apartments!) and the proximity to I-98 / US-2.

    About eight-hundred (800) acres of the Sturgeon River Greenbelt are located in the city. Within the greenbelt, which follows the Sturgeon River, you can enjoy portions of the Katie Shores Bike Trail and the Sturgeon River Bike Trail. After an autumn bike ride along the clear shores of the Sturgeon River you could catch a high school football game.....watching the Alaska House Pioneers competing in The Greenbelt Conference.

    East of Alaska House is the suburb of Katie Shores. South of the city is Bailey Creek.....the OTHER city that was displayed on the grass at the Stanfest in Kalamazoo.

    Next time: Bailey Creek.

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    Indian Springs National Guard Air Base

    Last night (8-24-05) on the CBS Evening News, they did a blurb about the redevelopment of the Glenview Naval Air Station, north of Chicago. Today, relaxing on my first vacation day in forever, I worked on dismantling an old base (in my fake metro) and replacing it with.......stuff.

    Indian Springs National Guard Air Base is an old air field that has been closed for about ten (10) years. Problems at the base included buildings that were constructed (rather quickly and rather shabbily) during World War II, runways that are too short for effective NG practice, and landing patterns that are over suburbs "all over the place" that surround the base.

    With the recent military base closures in the news, topped by viewing the CBS report on Glenview, this Bear dismantled the former base. After the runways and buildings were destroyed I re-routed Indian Boulevard (moving it about a quarter mile farther south, onto former base property). Developers were lined-up, because this area of the south metro has a demographic quality of middle-to-upper class incomes, most folks own their own homes, and the area has NOT seen much in the way of sprawl-attack.

    A sizeable portion of the old base went to a manufacturer, Lake Shore Indsutries (not new to the area, just relocating in a larger and more modern structure). Stores and other fronts that moved onto the re-located Indian Boulevard included Lazy Boy Furniture Gallery, Home Depot, Polar Bear Ice Cream Store, Yooper Spa Health Club, Tractor Supply Company (TSC), Applebee's, a Honda dealer, and a Toyota dealer. A half-mile access road was placed in another portion of the old base, serving as the front for the new Old Base Business Park (6 different-size buildings).

    The re-routing created a place where the following 4-lane roads come together: Indian Boulevard, South Indian Boulevard, and Long Lake Boulevard (Northern Michigan State Route 99). Thanx to my inspirational and knowledgeable Cyburbia friends I placed at this junction a ROTARY.

    This military base closing was from a previous round of closures, but today's news became the real deal in suburban Indian Springs, Northern Michigan.

    Bear
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    Metropolitan De Noc Suburb Names

    Another thread has postings of city names that don't exactly flow off the tongue easily, and folks adding their thoughts to that thread threw in some of the "traditional" names of 'burbs in places like Chicagoland. Here's a sample list of some of De Noc's suburbs. I note if named after a real location in the Upper Peninsula or named after something from my sheltered life.

    I Just Picked A Name For No Logical Reason
    Orangewood
    Elwood
    West Elwood
    Rockland
    Cherry Heights
    Valleyview
    Sunset Beach
    Fairhaven
    Wildwood

    Named After A Real Place Or Thing That May Or May Not Be In The U.P.
    Indian Springs (lots of natural springs in this area)
    Nahma Junction (real)
    Billy Good Lake (real lake in this area)
    Chicago Lake (real lake in this area)
    Mahskeekee Lake (real lake in this area)
    Rumble Lake (real lake in this area)
    Des Plaines (yes, named after Chicagoland 'burb)
    Southgate (yes, named after Detroit "downriver" 'burb)
    Roxbury (I used to listen to WBZ in Boston all the time and loved the towne name)
    Frying Pan Lake (real lake in this area)
    Whitmer (my high school)

    Named After Somebody In My Sheltered Life
    Joland (Jo Ann.....ex GF)
    Foxe Lake (Jennifer.....ex GF)
    Katie Shores (Happy and smiling wife of this Bear )
    Cinderdale (ex-wife)
    Winterwoods (ex-wife.....ironic, considering De Noc's location)
    Angel Pointe (grand-daughter)
    Luna (grand-daughter)

    These are just a few of the suburbs.

    Bear
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    Quote Originally posted by Bear Up North
    Another thread has postings of city names that don't exactly flow off the tongue easily, and folks adding their thoughts to that thread threw in some of the "traditional" names of 'burbs in places like Chicagoland. Here's a sample list of some of De Noc's suburbs. I note if named after a real location in the Upper Peninsula or named after something from my sheltered life.

    I Just Picked A Name For No Logical Reason

    Elwood
    West Elwood
    There is a simple and logical reason for this name - you like The Blues Brothers
    but where is Jake ?
    Oddball
    Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves?
    Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
    Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
    From Kelly's Heroes (1970)


    Are you sure you're not hurt ?
    No. Just some parts wake up faster than others.
    Broke parts take a little longer, though.
    From Electric Horseman (1979)

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    Cyburbian Emeritus Bear Up North's avatar
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    Quote Originally posted by JNA
    There is a simple and logical reason for this name - you like The Blues Brothers
    but where is Jake ?
    JNA.....we are on the same wave-length.....scary, huh?.....

    I thought about Jake and Elwood when I typed the list this morning. But Elwood and West Elwood were both drawn many years before the Blues Brothers' movies and music. So, that means they stole the name from me! Hey!

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    Stump The Bear: The De Noc Challenge

    OK.....those of you who browse this thread probably have thought to yourself, between swigs of your favorite beverage, "Hey, I wonder if De Noc has a ____."

    Go ahead, hit me with your best shot. Stump The Bear. Think of something that would be in an upper Great Lakes metropolitan area of 2,000,000. Stump The Bear.

    Strips clubs? Got 'em.
    Country clubs? Yep.
    Boulevards? Certainly.
    Poorly-designed or not well-thought-out road patterns? For sure.
    Macy's? Yes.
    WalMart? Certainly.....my citizen's demand this.
    Republican Headquarters? Natch.
    National chain paint stores? Of course.
    Metro Park System? Sure thing.....there is the De Noc Metropolitan Park Board.
    Rental halls? Lots of them, all over the area.
    Canoe rentals? Yep.
    Fire stations? Of course.
    Small distribution centers selling restaurant supplies? Sure.
    Office parks? A lot, especially in newer suburbs, along interstates.
    Zoo? No, but I have one (1) on the drawing board.
    Amusement (theme) parks? I have an older park that closed and plan on building a new large theme park.

    Simple rules: Stump The Bear. Ask about anything that might be located in Metropolitan De Noc.

    (Chances are real goode that I not only have what you are asking, I also have more of the same in a competitor's clothing.)

    Stump The Bear
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    Ooo...strip clubs. Good idea.
    "Life's a journey, not a destination"
    -Steven Tyler

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    Quote Originally posted by Bear Up North
    Simple rules: Stump The Bear. Ask about anything that might be located in Metropolitan De Noc.

    (Chances are real goode that I not only have what you are asking, I also have more of the same in a competitor's clothing.)

    Stump The Bear
    How about a Polish Falcons of America "Nest" ?

    http://www.polishfalcons.org/

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    Cyburbian Emeritus Bear Up North's avatar
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    Quote Originally posted by iamme
    How about a Polish Falcons of America "Nest" ?

    http://www.polishfalcons.org/
    I can honestly say "YES - ON MY LIST". (Because I just added it to the spreadsheet list.)

    I did NOT have Polish Falcons.

    I do have Polish Army Veterans Halls (a couple.....north side and in suburb of Katie Shores). I also have a Polish Club in Katie Shores.

    Note: A few years ago I realized I was lacking in clubs, fraternal organizations, etc. So, after some research, I developed a big spreadsheet that I use as I am working on my metro.

    Thanx for catching me off guard. Yes, you did, indeed.....STUMP THE BEAR.



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    Microwave Transmission Towers & High Schools

    Microwave Transmission Towers.....This Bear has a few questions that most of you planners can probably help me with.....

    Who owns microwave transmission towers and other types of communication towers? Are they owned by the cellular companies......or, perhaps communication service companies that specialize in this type of thing?

    Would a large metropolitan area have numerous types of towers, many with different owners?

    A large metropolitan area (2,000,000) would have how many of these types of towers?

    Help.
    _____

    High School Nicknames

    As mentioned in a previous De Noc post, this Bear is so anal about developing a statistical base for De Noc, all of the high schools have nicknames for their sports' teams. A year-by-year scenario has been developed that shows what high school won what championship in what league for what year. State champions are identified, as well as the numerous sectional, district, and regional champions.

    Boy's football, basketball, hockey and baseball is documented. Girl's basketball and volleyball is documented.
    _____

    The REAL Upper Peninsula of Michigan has two (2) of the Top Ten Unusual High School Sports Team Nicknames: Kingsford Flivvers and Watersmeet Nimrods.
    Not to disappoint, this Bear has thrown in some unusual nicknames to some of the schools in Metropolitan De Noc:

    (Fairhaven) Fairhaven Canals Speedos
    (De Noc) Orange Lake Island Kings
    (De Noc) Blue Ridge Academy Ridge Runners
    (Skybear) Skybear Dancing Bears
    (West Fairhaven) West Fairhaven Skeeters
    (Little Bass Lake) Little Bass Lake Finns
    _____

    Just another touch of insane magic, helping to make a fake city seem more real every day. Go Skeeters!

    Bear
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    Quote Originally posted by Bear Up North
    Microwave Transmission Towers.....This Bear has a few questions that most of you planners can probably help me with.....

    Who owns microwave transmission towers and other types of communication towers? Are they owned by the cellular companies......or, perhaps communication service companies that specialize in this type of thing?

    Would a large metropolitan area have numerous types of towers, many with different owners?

    A large metropolitan area (2,000,000) would have how many of these types of towers?

    Help.
    Cellphone repeaters are located all over the place, some well disguised, and are owned by the various providers. You could probably get away with a 'honeycomb' scattering of cell towers about 1-2 sections apart for each company, closer together in the CBD and in more congested suburban areas, farther apart in the less dense areas.

    AT&T had an extensive network of microwave towers, mainly located on high points in rural areas and on the central phone switch building, but these may have gone obsolete with lightwave (fiberoptic) cables becoming ombiquitous.


    What I would find to be more interesting is the grid of high-energy electric transmission lines that would be needed to power the metro area. I could see a loop of those reeeeeally big-ass 765 kV lines (the ones with the four-wire bundle conductors held up by 3-4 meter-long strings of insulators, like that one that crosses through northern Indiana with a branch heading northward into the far southwestern ElPee of Michigan) passing around the edge of the metro area, too, like an outer beltline, with lower voltage lines branching 'inward' from it and also heading in other directions that the 765 kV lines do not.

    _____

    Quote Originally posted by Bear Up North
    High School Nicknames

    As mentioned in a previous De Noc post, this Bear is so anal about developing a statistical base for De Noc, all of the high schools have nicknames for their sports' teams. A year-by-year scenario has been developed that shows what high school won what championship in what league for what year. State champions are identified, as well as the numerous sectional, district, and regional champions.

    Boy's football, basketball, hockey and baseball is documented. Girl's basketball and volleyball is documented.
    _____

    The REAL Upper Peninsula of Michigan has two (2) of the Top Ten Unusual High School Sports Team Nicknames: Kingsford Flivvers and Watersmeet Nimrods.
    Not to disappoint, this Bear has thrown in some unusual nicknames to some of the schools in Metropolitan De Noc:

    (Fairhaven) Fairhaven Canals Speedos
    (De Noc) Orange Lake Island Kings
    (De Noc) Blue Ridge Academy Ridge Runners
    (Skybear) Skybear Dancing Bears
    (West Fairhaven) West Fairhaven Skeeters
    (Little Bass Lake) Little Bass Lake Finns
    _____

    Just another touch of insane magic, helping to make a fake city seem more real every day. Go Skeeters!

    Bear
    I would add 'Bucks', 'Blizzards', 'Lumberjacks', 'Miners', 'Coppers', 'Ironmen', 'Chippewas', 'Auroras', 'Yetis' and 'Ice'.



    Mike

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    Stump the Bear, the All Mighty Mayor of De Noc?

    You got it!

    Hey Mr, Mayor? I have just moved into De Noc and lack anything social to do after my days of work.

    Is there a Hungarian Club in De Noc? You know, someplace I can eat Paprikas, Pogacha, and Szerbo? Drink a shot of Unicum? Maybe meet a loud, hairy woman? How many Hungarians live in De Noc?

    Just thought I'd ask...
    You get all squeezed up inside/Like the days were carved in stone/You get all wired up inside/And it's bad to be alone

    You can go out, you can take a ride/And when you get out on your own/You get all smoothed out inside/And it's good to be alone
    -Peart

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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN
    Stump the Bear, the All Mighty Mayor of De Noc?

    You got it!

    Hey Mr, Mayor? I have just moved into De Noc and lack anything social to do after my days of work.

    Is there a Hungarian Club in De Noc? You know, someplace I can eat Paprikas, Pogacha, and Szerbo? Drink a shot of Unicum? Maybe meet a loud, hairy woman? How many Hungarians live in De Noc?

    Just thought I'd ask...
    The east side of De Noc has a neighborhood of small homes, small Roman Catholic churches, and a couple of "social clubs". When I drew the plats for this area.....probably about 1966 or 1967.....I was basing the neighborhood on the east Toledo neighborhood that I had to drive through to get to my then-girl-friend's house.

    I have never formally indicated on paper that the area is predominantely Hungarian, but I always assumed it. I have other 'hoods with the same thought process, including Russian, Polish, Italian, and Jewish.

    This weekend I will get the plats out and see what the name of that club is, so your stay in De Noc won't be in vain.

    Bear
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    [Mr. Mayor,

    I'm considering buying some rental investment property in De Noc, and I was wondering how many ethnic street gangs are in town?

    Also, do you have a large contigent of Guatemalan and Salvadoran illegals?

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