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    Cyburbian Cardinal's avatar
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    A reason for GALIP?

    Court OKs Lesbian Homes Near Pecos

    By PHAEDRA HAYWOOD | The New Mexican


    A four-year battle over a controversial Pecos-area retirement development for lesbians ended last week when the New Mexico Supreme Court refused to hear Los Ruederos Neighborhood Association's petition appealing the approval of the subdivision....

    McGowan -- a retired investment banker from Minnesota who marketed her development as a place for lesbians to retire -- faced resistance from longtime locals opposed to the project after she bought the 157-acre property three miles northeast of Pecos in 1999.

    In 2000, the San Miguel County Planning and Zoning Commission denied her first two applications to develop the property, and a group of neighboring residents formed Los Ruederos Neighborhood Association to formally fight the development.

    Her preliminary plan was finally approved in 2001, but the neighborhood association filed its first appeal of the approval in May 2002 on the basis of water availability. The association said water availability was its main objection to the development but it also cited the possibility of increased property taxes, traffic and light pollution.

    After paying for a hydrology study to prove the potential development had sufficient water, dropping a guest ranch from the plan and reducing the number of lots from 24 to 19 -- McGowan got final approval for the development in November.

    A state District Court dismissed the neighborhood association's appeal a few days later.

    But the neighborhood association -- which raised money for legal fees by selling baked goods around town -- appealed again a month later, charging the development violated the fair-housing act by marketing primarily to retirement-age lesbians.

    That appeal was denied by the District Court in October....


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    Cyburbia Administrator Dan's avatar
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    FWIW, here's the Web site of the developer of Los Ruederos.

    Santa Fe has a very large gay population, and I can vouch from personal experience living in New Mexico that the state is extremely popular with lesbians; Las Cruces has a very visible lesbian population.
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    Originally posted by Dan
    .....I can vouch from personal experience living in New Mexico that the state is extremely popular with lesbians; Las Cruces has a very visible lesbian population.

    WE WANT GRAPHIC DETAILS!
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    Originally posted by Duke Of Dystopia
    WE WANT GRAPHIC DETAILS!
    No you don't. We're talking about "womyn", not what you see on videos you rent at some store located at least 1000' from any church, daycare center, school and residential zoning district.
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    What is it about this word?

    The first paragraph on the website:

    Your home is your private oasis. At RainbowVision, enjoy the best of both worlds. Live in your own home with all the benefits of a luxury resort. RainbowVision provides a full spectrum of resort retirement living; featuring 40 fabulous condos for purchase and 105 beautifully designed independent and assisted living residences.....

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    El Guapo:

    I thought "fabulous" was reserved only for gay men, not for lesbians! Aren't lesbians more rugged than fabulous, on average?
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

    The ends can justify the means.

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    RainbowVision Properties? You’ve got to be kidding me.
    The name of the development sounds like a parody of itself.

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    Originally posted by mendelman
    El Guapo:

    I thought "fabulous" was reserved only for gay men, not for lesbians! Aren't lesbians more rugged than fabulous, on average?

    I thought "rugged" was reserved only for men of cyburbia...
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    You guys are so kooky. Do any of you have a gay or lesbian friend? I do. And they are wonderful.

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    Is this Development for the GLBT community only, or can heteros live there?
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    Wow, I see a whole new world of real estate marketing. How about a subdivision with fee simple lots or condos that only Catholics can buy into? I bet the judge won't have any problem with that. Wait, let's not stop there. How about a development reserved strictly for those of Polish descent? Or, how about one that excludes lesbians? If the developer legally can build a subdivision that excludes straights, it just follows that another developer can exclude gays. Right? Shoot, I oughta be able to exclude anyone I want.

    Seriously, I don't have a problem when a group of people with similar needs, background or culture choose to live together in community. If this is done under the auspices of land owned and controlled by a group (i.e., monastery, commune, etc.) or some similar arrangement, fine. But marketing fee simple lots in a subdivision strictly on the basis of affectational preference seems like a slippery slope to me. What's next, a subdivision marketed to dog lovers, no cat people allowed?

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    Originally posted by Repo Man
    Is this Development for the GLBT community only, or can heteros live there?
    Probably like our senior developments... as long as at least one lesbian resides at the dwelling unit.....then a hetero can live there...but they must use words like "fabulous"

    and I am sure the heteros are just lining up to live there.
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    I personally hate age restricted developments, or any other developments that exclude people based on anything else but the amount of rent they can pay. Its fine to market to certain people (gays, retirees etc.) but I don't see how excluding people should be legal or ethical.

    I can picture a Three's Company scenario where a woman pretends to be a lesbian to live in the complex.

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    Originally posted by Seabishop

    I can picture a Three's Company scenario where a woman pretends to be a lesbian to live in the complex.
    Or like in "Bosom Buddies" where the two guys dressed up as women to live in the women-only apartment building.

    It seems like some form of preferential segregation to me.
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    Originally posted by Repo Man
    Is this Development for the GLBT community only, or can heteros live there?
    I would imagine, that based on the Federal Fair Housing Act, anyone could live there. Age restricted, or "elderly", developments are the only federally sanctioned form of Housing Discrimination.
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    Originally posted by DecaturHawk
    Wow, I see a whole new world of real estate marketing. How about a subdivision with fee simple lots or condos that only Catholics can buy into? ... How about a development reserved strictly for those of Polish descent? Or, how about one that excludes lesbians?
    Father Adamski Village on the east side of Buffalo was a development of single-family homes that was marketed primarily to Polish-Americans. Because the neighborhood was undergoing racial transition, though, in a few years the subdivision became racially mixed.

    There's a high-rise apartment building near where I live that is supposedly restricted to elderly Jewish residents.

    At UB, some apartment listings on campus were posted in Korean and Chinese only. I've also seen ads for apartments that say "Christian only" and "women only."

    Does anybody know what the deal is with "Christian REALTORS?" In Florida, many realtors promoted themselves as being Christian, with fishes on their business cards and signs. Many just out-and-out said that they were born-again in their advertising, almost like the guys who operate businesses like "Jesus is Lord Towing" and "He Will Rise Again Soon Heating and Cooling." (Those were the ones that caused me the most trouble, for some reason.)
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    Is it just me or does the site plan look like something else? Does anyone else see it, without getting graphic?


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    moral route

    Originally posted by SlaveToTheGrind
    Is it just me or does the site plan look like something else? Does anyone else see it, without getting graphic?

    I'll be the morally responsible one and say it looks like a face, 2 eyes, nose, smile.

    that is all
    Dude, I'm cheesing so hard right now.

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    Originally posted by SlaveToTheGrind
    Is it just me or does the site plan look like something else? Does anyone else see it,
    No, you just need some attention.....if you know what I mean.
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    Originally posted by SlaveToTheGrind
    Is it just me or does the site plan look like something else? Does anyone else see it, without getting graphic?
    Nice island.

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    Someone should prune the bush though, its outa control!

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    Originally posted by NHPlanner
    I would imagine, that based on the Federal Fair Housing Act, anyone could live there. Age restricted, or "elderly", developments are the only federally sanctioned form of Housing Discrimination.
    You are basically right NHPlanner but there are some exceptions, based on size and owner-occupancy (I believe that if the landlord occupies one of up to four units, they may "discriminate" all they want); and, that private organizations can develop housing available to their members only. There may be another that I don't recall at the moment.

    Sexual orientation/sexual preference is not protected under the Fair Housing Act (although some states do include it). So, yes, I think they can legally state that the housing is for G/L only.

    Edit: I especially like the buildings in the center
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    Originally posted by SlaveToTheGrind
    Is it just me or does the site plan look like something else? Does anyone else see it, without getting graphic?
    Here's their other planned development, for the men.

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