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    Superbowl Halftime (was part of Superbowl Ads Thread)

    Forget the ads ... what about the halftime show?
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    did that just happen???

    OK... did what I think I saw... happen.. because you know it will be all over the internet in the next few hours???
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    I'll break the "no links to NSFW sites or pages" policy this time, because this link is to a site that is nomally very work-safe, and sshouldn't trigger any IT department pr0n logging.

    http://www.drudgereport.com/
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    I'm going to paraphrase a rant here, because it seems so fitting, and expresses exactly how I feel.

    CBS is backing away and apologizing as fast as it can, the NFL claims to be "outraged," the network was deluged with phone calls, all over two seconds of boobage during a halftime show.

    What the is the huge deal? Are we still so backwards in this country that we fear the sight of a breast? Who are these prudes who call a TV network to complain? This is what these people need to do to feel fulfilled in life? This is somehow important? This is really their idea of an "outrage?"

    Janet Jackson's breast is a beautiful thing. I'd love to see much more of it and the other one as well. This was a great moment in Superbowl history. Why can't people appreciate it for what it is?

    Yes ... there's kids watching. So what? It does not harm a child to see Janet Jackson's boob. Your kids are not going to die if they see a little nudity. It's only "nudity" by culture anyway. Kids in Europe, where they show hard core porn on over-the-air television, turn out just fine, if not less effed up than their North American peers.

    CBS, you're a bunch of nutless cowards. The NFL, too. You should have stood up. You're not going to get hurt. There is an extremely high correlation of football fans to boob fans. I can't believe a single football fan is going to stop watching games because he saw Janet Jackson's boob and any that do deserve to have their asses kicked.

    We watch huge guys beat the crap out of each other for two hours, yet we get upset at two seconds of aerola?

    Boobs are good. Janet Jackson's boob is good.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dan
    I'm going to paraphrase a rant here, because it seems so fitting, and expresses exactly how I feel.

    CBS is backing away and apologizing as fast as it can, the NFL claims to be "outraged," the network was deluged with phone calls, all over two seconds of boobage during a halftime show.

    What the is the huge deal? Are we still so backwards in this country that we fear the sight of a breast? Who are these prudes who call a TV network to complain? This is what these people need to do to feel fulfilled in life? This is somehow important? This is really their idea of an "outrage?"

    Janet Jackson's breast is a beautiful thing. I'd love to see much more of it and the other one as well. This was a great moment in Superbowl history. Why can't people appreciate it for what it is?

    Yes ... there's kids watching. So what? It does not harm a child to see Janet Jackson's boob. Your kids are not going to die if they see a little nudity. It's only "nudity" by culture anyway. Kids in Europe, where they show hard core porn on over-the-air television, turn out just fine, if not less effed up than their North American peers.

    CBS, you're a bunch of nutless cowards. The NFL, too. You should have stood up. You're not going to get hurt. There is an extremely high correlation of football fans to boob fans. I can't believe a single football fan is going to stop watching games because he saw Janet Jackson's boob and any that do deserve to have their asses kicked.

    We watch huge guys beat the crap out of each other for two hours, yet we get upset at two seconds of aerola?

    Boobs are good. Janet Jackson's boob is good.

    Uptight, puritanical scolds are not.
    We are people trying to raise children in a toxic society.

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    Quote Originally posted by el Guapo
    We are people trying to raise children in a toxic society.
    I fully expect to see "penetration" during the half-time show of Super Bowl XXXX.

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    This line edited (censored) by someone.

    Budgie
    I think every media outlet is waiting to see if they get away with it. There is a great Marge Simpson quote where she talks about the Fox network that goes something like this, "...the change at Fox to the nation's first hard core porn network was so gradual no one even noticed."

    I'm thinking that Little Kim would be a good choice for next year's host. I can't wait for that show. I’ll be home with my nieces (4,6, and 8) so I can show them the positive role model that Lil Kim has become to America’s youth. “Yes girls, learn to cuss like a Moroccan whore, undulate with foreign objects at your crotch, and have sex with multiple partners on screen and we will all think so very highly of you. The only thing we won’t respect is your not being on the ragged edge of the culture curve. Don’t try to get by on talent and hard work, no instead learn to shock middle American and then laugh at them for being conservative, or un hip or un-cool. Because, no matter what else you are in life, being un-cool is the worst thing of all.”

    I’m betting that under President Kerry, in five years the team at Hustler will get the contract for the halftime show. After all **** will get boring eventually. We will have seen them all. (Angela Landsburry your time has come sister ) We need to really break with convention. After the Interstate Batteries Presents the All American Anal Halftime, featuring Adult Film Star, and former singing sensation Britney Spears we will have become jaded as a nation. Nothing is worse than being jaded. We will need to find new things to entertain us. Didn’t the darling of the left, John Lennon once forecast that people would just eventually be “doing it in the streets?” He really wasn’t too imaginative (pun intended) because I can see far beyond that in my mind's eye. We each need to tap our inner Caligulas!

    Why not human sacrifices, political executions, gay beatings, and wife slapping at half time? Because as Dan argues, I’ll bet there is a huge correlation between guys that like their football and kicking some queer’s ass, smacking their wives a bit (‘come on, you know the bitch deserved it), they’d love to be killing some Arab terrorist if they didn’t have a job at the Jiff Lube. You know they like to see the execution of murderers and hell I’ll bet they don’t like Jews much either if you really want to pander to all the demographics the NFL attracts. (Sorry for stereotyping but it was necessary here.)

    Sorry Dan this is one area where you are clearly wrong. These halftime shows have gone astray. I will be writing the FCC, NFL, CBS, and every single sponsor of the game expressing my disgust (yes, I didn't even see it, but I reserve the right to question its appearance on a network channel in what is perceived to be safe viewing time). The people in charge seem to be reveling in their "getting away with it" from the press accounts I am reading. It would have been just hunky dory if we prudes had been warned and given a chance to turn the channel to Turner Classic Movies where we feel comfortable. But no, your side of the equation isn’t happy unless they get away with shoving it in our faces.

    Let's look at it in some perspective: What great amount of artistic merit did the little stunt merit? Did it add to the public discourse? Or did it just titillate? (Pun intended) My guess is that there will be someone's daughter gets her shirt yanked off at some high school by some dumb ass testosterone loaded kid as a result. Now, is that an argument for a'priori censorship, no it is an argument for self-censorship. But the potential boost to everyone's career from putting Janet’s (.) in the world’s living room benefits: Justin, Janet, CBS, MTV's, Time Warner, the entertainment industry, the news media and so many others. The benefits so outweigh any possible FCC fines or boycott costs that it was a smart business move for everyone. Next year Budgie’s mild penetration will be a gold mine too. The curve keeps going until we have Jews and Christians in a pit with lions.

    Quote by Dan "I'm gonna kick your prudish asses" Tasman
    I can't believe a single football fan is going to stop watching games because he saw Janet Jackson's boob and any that do deserve to have their asses kicked.
    No, according you that means I deserve an ass whipping. Responsible speech Dan?

    Call me an old stick in the mud, or worse, but I’m right on this one.

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    Quote Originally posted by el Guapo
    Budgie
    Budgie’s mild penetration will be a gold mine too.
    Who said anything about "mild".

    Have you noticed that Ron Jeremy is all over the television? Who wants to be a porn star? Hell, porn stars are almost mainstream entertainers. Soon you'll find them on Hollywood Squares and during celebrity week on Wheel of Fortune. It's only a matter of time till there's a celebrity porn star Survivor. The odd thing about this is that I'm not complaining.

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    Quote Originally posted by el Guapo
    Call me an old stick in the mud, or worse, but I’m right on this one.

    Sorry, but I don't think the half second,long distance shot is worth ranting about either way. The country isn't going to hell because of a quick long distance boobie glance. And come on.....CBS and the NFL acting all surprised? MTV has been pulling crap like this for years. The claim of an accident is laughable, I'm sure Janet always runs around sporting a silver pastie..... GMAFB
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    Quote Originally posted by Budgie
    Who said anything about "mild".

    Have you noticed that Ron Jeremy is all over the television? Who wants to be a porn star? Hell, porn stars are almost mainstream entertainers. Soon you'll find them on Hollywood Squares and during celebrity week on Wheel of Fortune. It's only a matter of time till there's a celebrity porn star Survivor. The odd thing about this is that I'm not complaining.
    You have to tease it out slowly Budgie. You can't jump straight to a gangbang during the pre-game report with Amad Rashad. You have to incrementalize it. It has to be one micro step at a time. That way the prudes don't have anything they can pin down as the watershed moment. As John Cleese said, "don't just jump straight to the clitoris, give her a kiss boy"

    As to porn starts, well they gained the mainstream creds they needed when the Clinton Administration failed to distance themselves from Larry Flint (the enemy of my enemy...) and Hollywood celebrated his life's story with a major motion picuture. America is hooked on the crack of "getting away it" "no boundaries" "no rules" and Madison Avenue, the media, and corporate America are to blame. These are the diseases or side effects of a free market economy. And there is nothing anyone can do about it. It is going to happen. Case in point: The State of Kansas is looking into running state-owned casinos. Yes, that is similar to the State of Utah deciding to run a HoHouse. We have gone way too far down the road to call it all back in.

    Otherwise intellegent people think this is all Ok. They have been educated not to judge right and wrong. The only thing that is really wrong in this society is being judgemental.


    Story on the "show" http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/entertain...printstory.jsp

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    Worksafe? You decide.

    http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040202/i/r2794264459.jpg

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    EG, I don't want to fight... but I suggest you never enter a Museum where there are sculptures and paintings of naked people. Oh and please if you do, don't dress the statues up.

    Worksafe? you decide: http://www.orcadecor.com/images/Statues/Venus-de-milo_i.jpg

    EDIT: took off the url tags, so you could know beforehand what is the content of the link
    Last edited by SkeLeton; 02 Feb 2004 at 1:30 PM.

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    I agree with El Guapo here. I did not see the half-time show; my 13 year old daughter told me about it after the flash happened. I didn't think that my husband or I should check the content of the Super Bowl before our kids can watch it. She was half amused, half repulsed. The thing is, if Janet Jackson and Timberlake can get away with this on national television, the same thing will happen on the streets, in the mall and at school. OK, so maybe it already is. Yes, sexual harassment happens in middle school, so today, some girl's skirt or blouse will be tugged by a boy who thinks it's a cool thing to do.

    It's not about a half second, long distance shot. We (most) parents try to raise our kids to respect themselves and others, yet kids see adults (I use that loosely) acting without respect and modesty. Like it or not, our kids admire some of these performers, and will emulate their misbehavior. We have to stop glamorizing performers. To these kids, today's scandal = glamor, and it's misguided.

    Oh, and about museum art. There's quite a difference between the interaction between a true artist and a subject, and the interactions between the male part of a singing duet exposing his female partner's breast in front of a televised audience.

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    Skel, you are so very wrong. I love art and the human body. But I also decide for myself what is good art and what is just the pursuit of a buck under the guise of art.

    What the NFL did was take one product (football) and try to enhance their viewership for next year by being provocative with a proven sales tool (sex).

    Follow with me if you can, young one:

    1. I have a child I am responsible to society for raising to be a positive member of society.

    2. If I let MTV and BET raise my son as many parents do I would turn out on this world a morally bankrupt man. Perhaps even another Carr brother. Read More: http://www.cjonline.com/stories/1105...carrbros.shtml That course of action would be criminal, yet I don't hear near the wailing from the left over it.

    3. If I have a responsibility to society I need to exercise due caution in the way my son receives his programming concerning right and wrong and good and bad. My little knowledge sponge sucks up knowledge very quickly and from the most subtle clues.

    4. The ripping off of Ms. Jackson's Velcro boob patch had no redeeming value other than to entertain people that enjoy that sort of thing.

    5. The NFL knew that parents with children who would object to such a display were watching. They had a duty to allow us the option of going else where with our viewership. We were duped.

    6. Your characterization of me having a fear of nudity is a poor argument. I love the jumblys. It is that there is a time and place for everything. That was clearly not the place.

    My goal is to raise a good person who treats women with much more respect than was demonstrated by Mr. Timberlake last night. His viewing that display was counterproductive to that goal and my not being outraged would reinforce the message that "its all cool, G."

    Thanks KMS Your's was a brave move to come to the aid of an unpopular opinion.

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    Hear, hear, EG. It wasn't just the breast baring incident, the entire show was ridiculous. Kid Rock, P. Diddy, Justin Timberlake? Sheesh. This is what passes for talent these days?

    Quote Originally posted by SkeLeton
    EG, I don't want to fight... but I suggest you never enter a Museum where there are sculptures and paintings of naked people. Oh and please if you do, don't dress the statues up.
    Skel, come on. Do you really think the Superbowl stunt and the Venus deMilo are the same thing? Using your logic, Hustler Magazine and a Renoir painting are the same thing. Yet, I have never heard of teenage boys passing up a chance to sneak Uncle Bob's Hustler when they can just hie off to the Public Library and check out a picture book of French art without anyone batting an eye (I know I never would have). Sorry, the Superbowl bit was intended to shock and tittilate (pun intended again). The whole show was designed to pander to our basest sensibilities and to see what can be gotten away with (which is part and parcel of most our popular culture today). Not so with Michelangelo.

    EG, you are right about pushing the envelope. That show would never have been part of the Superbowl even ten years ago. I'm no prude (don't let anyone tell you otherwise) but as a parent and a citizen it's distressing how much of our culture is based on being shocking, getting away with being more and more shocking, and appealing to our basest prurient urges.
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    I find it a little ironic that the NFL and CBS are apoligizing for the 'accident' caused by Jackson/Timberlake. After all, how many beer commercials were shown during th course of the game and how many kids were exposed to those? If they were so concerned about the halftime show and what kind of message it sent, they should surely be concerned about the influence they are having on alcohol advertisments and the affect it has on the youth. Now don't get me wrong about alcohol, I used to drink but don't anymore. Hell, I collect beer cans though. My objection comes from the NFL and CBS taking a stand on one issue and not the other. Why? It all comes down to $$$$$.

    Other issues. Whey make a big deal out of the halftime show. Why not provide analysis, commentary, or highlights from past games. I have yet to see a halftime show because I don't need to see some stupid choreographed lip sync contest. If I want to see that, I'll find some reruns of American Bandstand.

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    Amen EG. It does go beyond prudish conservatives trying to impose their views on everyone. Breasts are great. Breasts as a marketing tool are not great. Most people like sex but don't need Jenna Jameson to provocatively sell them oatmeal or laundry detergent. There are so many ways now to see nudity that there is less of a need to see it on network television. Why are we all so stupid that sex and violence sell so easily?

    My daughters are 3 and 1, by the time they are teenagers God knows what fashions, lyrics, movies, and standards will be considered normal. Even dolls now dress like prostitutes.

    Didn't Janet Jackson keep alluding to a big surprise in the halftime show?

    My God, wait till Super Amputee Cat walks in the room.

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    god help us... next year the entertainment is going to be "Up With People" again.....
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    You're not alone Guapo

    5. The NFL knew that parents with children who would object to such a display were watching. They had a duty to allow us the option of going else where with our viewership. We were duped.
    They did know and the only step that will be taken the next year is a parental advisory. If CBS (it could've been any network) and the NFL had a shred of honesty, they would have issued a parental advisory warning. It's that simple, tell people what you're going to put on the screen so we can be discriminating. I guess that's not a very marketable approach.

    Hear, hear, EG. It wasn't just the breast baring incident, the entire show was ridiculous. Kid Rock, P. Diddy, Justin Timberlake? Sheesh. This is what passes for talent these days?
    The opening show sucked as well, imho.

    I'm a "cultural conservative" , the first place I found out about the Carr brothers was from Pat Buchanan. Sex, cussing, pissed off, reckless attitudes and a glamorization of being ghetto or urban are just a few of the reasons I have layed off the television and why my kids will not be watching a lot of it.

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    I must say that I'm with El Guapo all the way on this one. I didn't see that show, but as soon as I found out it was produced by MTV, I knew that it was probably a deliberate act, just to see how far they could push the envelope. And the act is going to accomomplish everything that MTV and Madison Avenue hoped for in their wildest wet dreams.

    I hate the Super Bowl Halftime show. Hate, hate, hate it. Hate the bloated, no-talent, in-your-face circus acts that perform in it. Hate disgusting succubuses like Janet and Britney. Hate the "Man Show" watching meatheads that get off on this crap. Hate the overpaid corporate scumbags on Madison Avenue. Hate the utter hypocrisy of CBS, Hate the idiots in the stands that dance around like morons and are privy too it. Hate all the high-maintenance cheerleaders. I hate the utterly sick, degrading, attention-span shrinking ritual act that it has become.

    This has been going on for some time now and every year they push the envelope a little bit more. I predict live nudity on the show by 2010 if not sooner.
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    Strikes me as very screwy that so many folks are upset about a millisecond of boob during a break from two hours of ritual violence and hawking alcohol. I say "more boobs". Maybe then I might be interested in tuning into a football game once and awhile.

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    Personally, the entire halftime show had no redeeming value. None of the artists presented, with the exception of the university marching bands, are known for having clean and wholesome songs in their repertoie (sp). Even though I only saw the breast baring for a brief moment, I don't think it's any different than those dancers stripping off their cheerleading costumes to reveal even skimpier clothes. It was overproduced, over the top, and I'm over all of it.
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    Quote Originally posted by tsc
    god help us... next year the entertainment is going to be "Up With People" again.....
    Up With People would be a welcome change, IMO.

    Add me to the list of those who thought the half time show sucked. Fortunately, I wasn't paying attention and missed the who Janet/Justin stunt.
    B-)

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    Quote Originally posted by Super Amputee Cat
    This has been going on for some time now and every year they push the envelope a little bit more. I predict live nudity on the show by 2010 if not sooner.
    Isn't Paris Hilton under contract for next year?

    I think kms did a good sum-up. I'm less worried about the nudity on t.v. than I am about Justin 'ripping her shirt' in a pseudo-violent act. He's a big role model to a lot of kids, and he showed those kids that it's okay to do that kind of crap to other people. I hope this isn't mimicked in school yards today.

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    i agree it was rather disappointing... but those early half time shows used to be really bad. I would rather see Janets anatomy than some corny milktoast show
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