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    Greetings from Holland

    Hi,

    I was looking for a cool forum on Urban Design, and I sort of bumped into here. So here I am, a Bsc Urbanism student at the Delft Technical University in Holland (yes we have cable tv, so whe must have powerlines here, thank you). This is more like a design school (Urbanism is a sub-department at the Architecture deparment here). I am pretty interested in (studying) american New Urbanism, that was the main reason I found this site. You have some nice discussions going on about this matter, very interesting. I guess New Urbanism is more like European urbanism, high density, more based on a local tradition etc. but I am mainly interested in the way people in the US actually think about it. And I think most people who think about this sort of stuff is spending his/her time around here .

    So hello everybody!

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    Welcome from the Washington DC area. Yes there are a bit of chatter about NU here-some of us like it some of us dont. Just dont ask about wal mart
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    Welcome from Pennsylvania.

    There are often discussions of New Urbanism and it would be great to have another international voice in the fray. So jump in and post often.

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    Welcome aboard
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    Welcome from central New York State in the USA.

    It's always great to get another international perspective here in the forums.
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    Sorry for asking, but what's the problem whith Wal-mart? That they have ugly cardboard-box-like buildings all around America? This surely is a problem, that isn't really solved in Europe either. I guess you all know about inner-city shopping centers in Holland, but large grocery stores like Wal-mart are also present there, and I can tell you a big box-like structure is al lot uglier inside a historical city centre than at the sidewalk of a highway....

    I hope I will be able to get into New Urbanism... I think I will post a question about it in the student lounge today.

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    welcome!

    And Sam's law in 6 posts for an introduce yourself post! :-P
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    Welcome from Idaho, USA.

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    Welcome from Canada, eh? Feel free to ask all the questions you want!

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    I thought it was Netherlands and that Holland referred strictly to the adjacent coastal region of the North Sea. Maybe I'm mistaken. Anyway, welcome !!!! I've been to the Netherlands on 4 separate occassions, mostly to Utrecht and Amsterdam.

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    Welcome to the boards. If you have an alefest or a 'coffee house fest' in Amsterdam, I'll be sure to try to make it.

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    Welcome from Chicago!

    I appreciate most of the theory behind NU, but most of the places with that moniker that have been built here have been diluted by the builders and marketers and the (supposed) demand of the buyers.
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    Hi and welcome from Florida, USA.

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    Howdy from Northern Virginia. I bought my dog from a person in Holland, so he says hello too.

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    Welcome to Cyburbia. I'm already intrigued by your observations on New Urbanism vs. European Urbanism, and Wal-Mart.

    Quote Originally posted by nerudite
    Welcome to the boards. If you have an alefest or a 'coffee house fest' in Amsterdam, I'll be sure to try to make it.
    What is the "alefest" thing you speak of?
    Anyone want to adopt a dog?

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    Quote Originally posted by Cardinal
    Welcome to Cyburbia. I'm already intrigued by your observations on New Urbanism vs. European Urbanism, and Wal-Mart.



    What is the "alefest" thing you speak of?
    I almost typed laefest, but thought it would be a bad idea in an introduction post (don't want to use an inside joke that s/he may not get. )

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    Welcome kickert from Cyburbia's Ambassador for New Zealand There are plenty of discussions on here about NU to keep you amused!

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    Greetings from time-challendged Indiana.

    My gripe with NU is that it is taking palce on greenfields for the most part. To do it right, you should go adjacent to the city center, tear down the mostly post-war crud, and redevelop with NU, but nobody appears to be doing it.

    So we plug on with the plain traditional urbanist redevelopment model.

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    It's nice to hear such enthousiastic replies . It is true that most NU developments seem to have been built in a rural/suburban setting, it is one of the things I find truly strange. Why doesn't a compact design discipline take more of an inner-city challenge?

    Anyway, Holland is indeed the part of the Netherlands by the sea, I live in South Holland to be exact. And in Holland we don't have coffee-house parties all day . I'm glad to, this would then seriously damage my brain in the end .

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    Quote Originally posted by kickert
    And in Holland we don't have coffee-house parties all day .
    The last time my passport had a Netherlands stamp on it, I got strip searched in Atlanta. Go figure !!!

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    Welcome from an hour and a half away from Holland Michigan!
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    Well Budgie, since you are talking in this forum right now, I'm sure security didn't find anything . I hear stories from Dutch people, but if you just keep acting like a normal person, the chance of an extended search or a 2-hour interrogation is not that big. Well, just don't wear any strange hats or beards .

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    Welcome - I had a wonderful time when I visited Holland during my time in the US Army in Germany. Your nation just overwhelmed us with kindness and hospitality. What a great place to live and visit. My fondest memory was hanging out in Amsterdam for a week. I also spend a few days in Hoek van Holland. It is a sea port for the North Sea fairy to Harwich England. I hope I spelled that right.

    I did visit a coffee house and the red-light district of Amsterdam, but only as a tourist. I partook of neither flesh nor herb. I used to work on Nukes and they would give us a urinalysis almost monthly. So refffer is right out. Plus, whores and herb look bad on the resume.

    I also loved your cops. They were so cool. You have to love a country where the police are “Polite.” At least I think that is how you spell it.

    In my wallet I still carry the 5 Guilder note that was the sum total of all the cash I had when I left Holland for the drive back to German when the two weeks were over. I had that note, a tank of gas and two very drunk army buddies in my old Ford Taurus. We pulled into our kassern with the tank reading below "E."

    So, welcome to Cyburbia, where we too rely on our dikes and pumps.

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    You've spelt everthing totally correctly . I am sorry to say the 5 guilder note isn't worth anything anymore, we have changed our currency to Euro's.

    Thank you for saying our cops are polite. I will tell one when I get caught for driving my bicycle without my lights on. The problem is that sometimes they seem to be too polite, because they are paid for catching criminals, not people with broken bicycle lights like me . Anyway, it is Politie with an i in the middle somewhere.

    The Amsterdam Red Light district is mainly aimed at tourists. I think, you've really made the right choice to remain passive there. Well... the herb, if you work with nukes it's better to stay sober I guess . Always nice to see people seem to identify the Netherlands as weed-capital of the world. I am sorry to confess you that Dutch people don't smoke grass all day. Too much really causes brain damage. Just tell me when I'm acting silly .

    But what did you think of the cities in Holland? Did you like them? I always like to know what foreign people think of Holland .

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