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    Bush & Space Exploration

    I can't say I'm very excited over Bush's proposal to spend billions on space exploration. Doesn't seem like the right time for such spending with so much money needed at home and two other countries.

    Am I missing the grand vision?

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/0...ace/index.html

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    Re: Bush & Space Exploration

    Originally posted by Seabishop
    Am I missing the grand vision?
    [Carl Rove]
    Yes, you are. You ALL are.
    [/Carl Rove]

    I tend to agree with you, Seabishop. And I tend to think that the size of the federal deficit does matter.
    All these years the people said he’s actin’ like a kid.
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    I suppose we will be paying for this through the harvesting of magical money trees as laid out in Bush's "Healthy Forests Initiative."

    Really, I'm all for the "vision thing" and giving NASA something to do, but in a time of major budget deficits and war do we really have the resources to put into something like this? Why doesn't the White House propose using some of this money to raise the pitiful pay and of US troops so that we have a chance of retaining a capable armed forces.

    Besides, do you really think this little fella's going to welcome us with open arms?

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    Personally, I don't have a problem with it. Space exploration in the 1960s lead to great advances in aerospace, medicine, electronics, engineering and physics. I think the cost of not returning to space is much higher than staying put here on 'ol Terra.

    Compared with the cost of rebuilding Iraq, increased funds to space exploration are a pittance. Besides, the same argument of "why bother with X, when there's problems with Y" can be used for just about any government activity. "Why bother with space exploration, when there's unemployed steelworkers in Youngstown?" "Why bother with urban planning, when there's child porn on the Internet?"

    I'll give Bush a thumbs up for his support of space exploration, as long as it's not just lip service. It still won't be enough to earn my vote in November, but it's a Good Thing IMHO.
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    Did someone say Science and Technology, I'm all for it! We should try to mine an asteroid for precious metals.

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    I generally think it is not a worthwhile use of massive amounts of resources. I heard the NASA budget is about $58 billion. That seems to be too much.

    I understand that space exploration has produced great scientific advances, but so did WWII.

    I think the NASA budget could be reduced by $45 billion and then shift the money to public education. Especially, more funding for college education, since our society and culture is now practically mandating that you go to college.

    Don't great scientific advances more often come from University study and research?

    I think this is really nothing more than a re-election ploy by Bush.
    Last edited by mendelman; 14 Jan 2004 at 12:31 PM.
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    I think this is really nothing more than a re-election ploy by Bush
    He would never..



    I understand that space exploration has produced great scientific advances, but so did WWII.
    We're doing both, what gives?We must be getting dumber. Ok, so it's going up a billion dollars a year for the next five years, that's a lot of loot and I admit I'm romantic on the idea of space exploration, but there's more to it.

    The administration wants to spend 1.5 billion on social engineering (bait).http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...sh_marriage_dc

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    Originally posted by The Irish One
    The administration wants to spend 1.5 billion on social engineering (bait).http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...sh_marriage_dc
    How many inner-city schools would $1.5 billion build?

    Nice bait, TIO!
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

    Let's not be didactic in this profession, because that is a path to disillusion and irrelevancy.

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    Probably a ploy to gain votes in Florida, Washington, California and others that he lost that have a large aerospace industry.

    More spending and jobs in a state typically means more votes.
    Too lazy to beat myself up for being to lazy to beat myself up for being too lazy to... well you get the point....

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    without space exploration we wouldnt have had yummy TANG or astronaut ice cream as food staples in the 70's mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm astronaut ice cream!!! :-P

    I wonder what yummy food will come next?
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    Originally posted by donk
    Probably a ploy to gain votes in Florida, Washington, California and others that he lost that have a large aerospace industry.
    or to put money in the pocket of someone in... Texas!!??
    "Those who plan do better than those who do not plan, even though they rarely stick to their plan." - Winston Churchill

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    At this time, I would prefer to see the $750million he's ear-marking for NASA go to the only thing that excited me in his last State of the Union address: Alternative Fuel engines. Success in that endeavor is good for the environment and the economy.

    The moon and Mars are not going anywhere anytime soon. There'll be other chances to settle and/or explore.
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    Last edited by NHPlanner; 21 Nov 2005 at 3:54 PM.
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    Following the saying... it's not good to have all the eggs in one basket... I'd say yes to another breather to space exploration. Though this time it'll probably be a US vs China space race... and mabye the EU joins the US so the space exploration bill doesn't get paid only by the US...
    Chile has only one "astronaut", I put it as "astronaut" because until now it has only been preparation to go to space, but he has never been there...

    Just think for a while... all of the moon sites that are scientifically interesting, that were to be explored, but due to the Apollo budget cut-back and the Apollo 13 failed landing, were not explored... It's been more than 30 years already! (since the last mission, Apollo 17)

    EDIT: Just heard that the ESA also wants to go to Mars and the moon... Due to 2014 to the moon and 2030 for mars....that's a bit slow huh? 10 years more to go back to the moon? Sounds reasonable, since they don't have the experience.
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    Last edited by NHPlanner; 21 Nov 2005 at 3:55 PM.
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    Maybe Bush will find the "WMDs" on Mars...

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    Found! Top secret images of Canada's space program!
    They're a sneaky bunch. That design should be disqualified because we all know it was designed under the influence of marijuana.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland...e/detainee.jpg

    Wow, that was quick! I crticized the President's spending priorities an hour ago and here I am waking up in Guantanamo . . . pretty impressive! The weather's great, I get to pray to Mecca 5 times a day, and the torture isn't so bad once you get used to it. Can someone move my marker on the map? Later.
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    Geo Bush's POV: The American people need a positive national challenge that will captivate the collective American spirit of adventure and discovery, bring us together as a nation and provide uplift to our souls during these hard times. I will propose a challenge that will appeal to all that is best in the American Citizen!

    Communist POV: The capitalist war criminal Bush is only doing this to use precious government resources that could help feed and educate the most vulnerable among us so his Space Nazis in the military can “witness” the racist, sexist, homophobic and non-alien atomy embracing fundamentalist Christian faith to the Space Aliens and get a big contract for his capitalist co-conspirator Halliburton.

    Liberal POV: The lying war criminal Bush is only doing this to use precious government resources that could help feed and educate the most vulnerable among us so his Space Nazis in the military can “witness” the racist, sexist, homophobic and non-alien atomy embracing fundamentalist Christian faith to the Space Aliens and get a big contract for Halliburton.

    Conservative POV: Only the freaking’ hippies could be against a PAX Americana of the Universe. Last night on Fox I saw where Delta Burk, was on Hanity and that other guy, and she said that them Al Queda was planning to kill white women and send Moslem extremists into space. It is our manifest destiny to control the stars.

    Green POV: Great! More Space Junk and contaminated planetshpheres! Damn Bush!

    Libertarian POV: It tain’t in the Constitution and I own a slice of pie from the core of the earth to my property lines and then on in to the sky. Them’s my galaxies. Stay off of 'em!

    GenX and GenNEXT and whatever loser Gen is after that POV: Dude, where is that? Like I thought we already beat the aliens. I saw the Gubernator kick some serious ass on Mars. Did you see the chick with the trip set? Have you seen my…

    Military POV: &^%$ - Not another freaking overseas deployment tour!

    The Press POV: Will the (insert minority of the week) Astronaut walk on Mercury first? If not, why not? Is your administration covering up an expensive boondoggle? Why is the Space program being ran solely out of the home states of the Bush Brothers? Did your Daddy and Dick Cheney put NASA there? Why can’t you land on Mercury? So what you really mean is you aren’t going to land there because there is no oil there, right?

    THE NASA POV: We welcome this challenge! (Translation: We can’t do this without ¼ of the GNP for two decades)

    The Hollywood POV: &^&$*()& *^$&#* Bush &*%$ &*(&^$%^ *&^*%# - Thanks, I'm Al Franken, and I'll be on radio soon.

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    Originally posted by H
    I wonder what yummy food will come next?
    Behold the space invention that is...
    Pork in a Pill, all the nutritional value and aftertaste of SPAM and other potted meats now in easy to swallow tablet form. Yummmmmm.....


    or perhaps the administration will dole out contracts to preferred donors, err... companies, to research the viability of dehydrated water.

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    I am for it generally. still wish my fiance could find a job and health insurance first. that should be the national priority. this was quoted from Yahoo news:

    "An extended human presence on the moon 'will enable astronauts to develop new technologies and harness the moon's abundant resources to allow manned exploration of more challenging environments,' the White House said in a prepared statement."

    moon's abundant resources?? i must be misinterpreting this or just "misunderestimating" our pres. i thought it was a big freakin' rock.
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    I think there is ice on the moon.

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    cool! intergalactic slush puppies.
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    Originally posted by The Irish One
    I think there is ice on the moon.
    That's not ice, its crank
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    No one seems to be asking the right questions like "what's the moon zoned?" That will determine what we can and can't do there. Will arborvitae even grow there to buffer different uses?

    Maybe all the NIMBY uses can go there . . . you know, like duplexes, day cares, group homes, churches, and public school kids.

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