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    Jane Jacobs' Neighborhood: Hudson Street (photos and commentary)

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    (Dan) 19 October 2009: Images now hosted in the Cyburbia Gallery. See http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/show...y.php/cat/6514



    JANE JACOBS’ NEIGHBORHOOD



    Mythic Hudson Street! America’s favorite urban ‘hood!

    On Hudson Street, Jane Jacobs wrote The Death and Life of Great American Cities about her beloved West Village neighborhood. She almost sold Americans on urban living.


    Still a mixed neighborhood, but less than then.


    Today, yuppies and gays are the dominant groups.


    Fourth Street at Sheridan Square. Complex urban space makes a crossroads.


    Relics of old Bohemia, as in the Latin Quarter.


    Synagogue: superimposed Greek temples on a house lot.


    Beatniks and kids persist, but in reduced numbers.


    New Yorkers are generally, but not always, in better shape than suburbanites.


    West 11th at West 4th: to see how this intersection is possible, consult the map.


    An irregular grid. The Village predates the Commissioners’ Plan (1811), whereby Manhattan acquired its rigid grid.

    Jacobs’ West Village is bounded by Seventh Avenue, 14th Street, West Street and Houston Street. Its main street is Hudson Street. It has short blocks.


    Many intersections are not at right angles.

    Sparely populated suburbs may look appealing, said Jacobs, but without an active sidewalk life, without the frequent, serendipitous interactions of many different people, "there is no public acquaintanceship, no foundation of public trust, no cross-connections with the necessary people--and no practice or ease in applying the most ordinary techniques of city public life at lowly levels."

    "It is possible in a city street neighborhood to know all kinds of people without unwelcome entanglements, without boredom, necessity for excuses, explanations, fears of giving offense, embarrassments respecting impositions or commitments, and all such paraphernalia of obligations which can accompany less limited relationships,"


    Acquaintances.


    Extra Virgin on Fourth Street. Commercial mixed with residential throughout.


    Tenements on Bank Street, some missing cornices.


    Perry Street: newly famous for Meier buildings, down by the riverside.









    ”Jacobs argued that when a neighborhood is oriented toward the street, when sidewalks are used for socializing and play and commerce, the users of that street are transformed by the resulting stimulation: they form relationships and casual contacts they would never have otherwise.” –-Malcolm Gladwell







    The West Village, Jacobs pointed out, was blessed with a mixture of houses and apartments and shops and offices and industry, which meant that there were always people "outdoors on different schedules and... in the place for different purposes."

    “The idea is to exchange private space for public space, where residents agree to live in tiny apartments in exchange for a wealth of nearby cafés and stores and bars and parks. The West Village forces its residents outdoors.” –-M.G.










    Tall buildings generally indicate one of the numbered avenues thrust through the Village in the Twenties to connect Midtown with Downtown. These avenues are too wide; they function as speedways and somewhat fragment the Village.


    Fanciful Twenties apartments. A man’s home is his…


    Sober brownstones, one awaiting a buyer with a few million.


    Abrupt scale change at Eighth Avenue. Aircraft carrier looms. A cornucopia of styles.


    Belgian restaurant, Belgian building.


    Two oldtimers share a fire escape.


    An elegant late Federal doorway influenced by Robert Adam.


    Abingdon Square, a Hudson Street oasis: the West Village’s central square. Park as living room, park as study.


    Park as nursery.


    Park as bedroom.


    Park as dining room.




    Hudson Street




    Approaching the fabled White Horse.


    The White Horse Tavern, where Dylan Thomas drank himself to death. Now mobbed by tourists, for whom outdoor tables are set up. There were none for the windy boy and a bit.


    There’s even room for overflow, across the street.


    Inside also the tourists teem. The guy with the paper couldn’t care less. Must be a regular; does this every Saturday, tourists or not.

    Jacobs rhapsodizes the White Horse of yore: home to longshoremen and writers and intellectuals--a place where, on a winter's night, “as the doors open, a solid wave of conversation and animation surges out and hits you."


    In the north, Hudson terminates at 14th Street. Here begins the Meatpacking District, New York’s current hot find. On weekdays, the sidewalks still run with blood till 8 am, but less than before. The rest of the day, they run with Rolling Rock.


    The view from Markt, a big old Belgian brasserie noted for its mussels and its pick-up bar. Diagonally across Fourteenth they have added three stories to an old building.








    Greenwich Avenue, Eighth Avenue and Fourteenth Street converge in a most Parisian manner, complete with flatirons.


    More Paris: wet cobbles, slick boutiques, frameless glass and woven café furniture. The cab tells you it’s New York.






    Paris again, this time the Sixteenth, complete with graffiti.






    If you park here, you might encounter Nicole Kidman. She lives right next door…


    …here…


    …along with Ralph Lauren and Martha Stewart—no, she is temporarily residing elsewhere.


    A stack of celebrities wrapped in glass by Richard Meier.






    Silver gloss extends to lobby.




    He does not appear able to design an ugly building.


    The trend is to riverview living. Need at least a BMW for that.


    No wonder!: across West Street and the Hudson, the Jersey City skyline beckons. Jersey City??




    Jersey City? Wasn’t even there last decade. Now it’s like Houston or Hong Kong in a distorting mirror. The big, sinister tower at left is by Cesar Pelli. He has one like it in Hong Kong, only twice as high. And you should see the view when the cruise ships glide down the river. That’s when my camera batteries gave out.


    Manhattan view is not so shabby either, though missing a pair of famous buildings.






    Turf on pier is plastic.


    Saturday, the day before the Gay Pride Parade, the boys were out and swarming.

    “Jane Jacobs did not win the battle she set out to fight. The West Village remains an anomaly. Most developers did not want to build the kind of community Jacobs talked about, and most Americans didn't want to live in one.” –Malcolm Gladwell.

    There are exceptions:






    New old town house.

    From a curious article on -–of all things— the theory of office landscape:

    Designs For Working

    Copyright 2000, Malcolm Gladwell

    Why your bosses want to turn your new office into Greenwich Village

    "The Death and Life of Great American Cities" was a controversial book, largely because there was always a whiff of paternalism in Jacobs's vision of what city life ought to be.

    Chelsea--the neighborhood directly to the north of her beloved West Village--had "mixtures and types of buildings and densities of dwelling units per acre... almost identical with those of Greenwich Village," she noted. But its long-predicted renaissance would never happen, she maintained, because of the "barriers of long, self-isolating blocks."

    She hated Chatham Village, a planned "garden city" development in Pittsburgh. It was a picturesque green enclave, but it suffered, in Jacobs's analysis, from a lack of sidewalk life.

    She wasn't concerned that some people might not want an active street life in their neighborhood; that what she saw as the "self-isolating blocks" of Chelsea others would see as a welcome respite from the bustle of the city, or that Chatham Village would appeal to some people precisely because one did not encounter on its sidewalks a "solid wave of conversation and animation." Jacobs felt that city dwellers belonged in environments like the West Village, whether they realized it or not.

    Human behavior, after all, is shaped by context, but how it is shaped--and whether we'll be happy with the result--we can understand only with experience. Jane Jacobs knew the virtues of the West Village because she lived there.

    What she couldn't know was that her ideas about community would ultimately make more sense in the workplace. From time to time, social critics have bemoaned the falling rates of community participation in American life, but they have made the same mistake.

    The reason Americans are content to bowl alone (or, for that matter, not bowl at all) is that, increasingly, they receive all the social support they need--all the serendipitous interactions that serve to make them happy and productive--from nine to five.


    The Make.






    Village landmark: Jefferson Library.
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    You are the king of the philosophical photo post, ablarc. This may be my favorite.

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    ablarc I may have bumped into you the other day, I was taking the same walk about the same time. Thank you for yet another epic thread!

    Slight correction-

    Greenwich Avenue, Eighth Avenue and Fourteenth Street converge in a most Parisian manner, complete with flatirons.
    This is 14th Street at Hudson St & Ninth Ave.



    Fantastic buildings. What sort of space-age soundproofing do you thing they applied to muffle the 6-lane roar of West St. directly below?

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    I thoroughly enjoy Ablarc's presentation. My only comment is that the rampant urban foliage is disturbing the "eyes on the street". I bet the birds deficating on the cars gets a little old. Supplant the trees to the neighborhood park.

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    That's right, GCT13, Ninth Avenue. Thanks for the correction. Would love to see your pics.

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    Great stuff, I'm inspired.

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    Lovely. Just lovely.

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    Lets hear it for Ablarc! I say we start a fund to send him to all of the worlds major cities.

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    Once again, thanks for the breathtaking and lovely views.
    "A witty woman is a treasure, a witty beauty is a power!"

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    This post makes me NYC thirsty. I'll have to quench that thirst in a couple of weeks, when I go up there for a wedding. Can anyone recommend any jazz clubs to go to on a Friday? The Blue Note and Village Vanguard are very pricey.
    I am recognizing that the voice inside my head
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    north omaha star:

    http://www.ny.com/clubs/jazz/

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    Good Composition, Excellent Effort.

    BTW
    Q. What kinda of camera are you using?
    Oddball
    Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves?
    Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
    Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
    From Kelly's Heroes (1970)


    Are you sure you're not hurt ?
    No. Just some parts wake up faster than others.
    Broke parts take a little longer, though.
    From Electric Horseman (1979)

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    Camera

    Minolta Z1 3.2megapixel. It's like an extension of your hand. Let's you take a picture with one hand. No squinting, no fiddling. All controls fall to your thumb or forefinger. Helps to be right-handed. There's a 4.0 version out now.

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    Quote Originally posted by ablarc
    Minolta Z1 3.2megapixel. It's like an extension of your hand. Let's you take a picture with one hand. No squinting, no fiddling. All controls fall to your thumb or forefinger. Helps to be right-handed. There's a 4.0 version out now.
    You answered my question before I could ask it.

    I have thoroughly enjoyed your photo essays and am even inspired to do a few of my own. Perhaps I'll start with a tour of Chatham Village...just to prove that Jane Jacobs was/is wrong to hate it.
    Last edited by biscuit; 03 Jul 2004 at 9:39 PM. Reason: spelling makes my brain hurt

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    wow. interesting, entertaining and inspiring. applause.

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    Awesome stuff - I should take a stroll through J.J.'s current 'hood and take some pics for comparison. Similar, but definitely lower-scale!

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    The images in this thread are now hosted in the Cyburbia Gallery. See http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/show...y.php/cat/6514.

    This thread is going to suck up a lot of bandwidth in the future, but given that Ablarc has been hosting the images in the past to our benefit, it's our turn to host them now.
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    Thanks for posting these! Now I have something to look at while I listen to citysounds.

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    Interesting! As someone who has never been to NYC I always pictured Manhattan more like this...



    than this...


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