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    New Planning Department??

    I see at the Kiosk...that the City of Burlington VT is looking for a few planners.. and I saw elsewhere they are also looking for a new Director and secretary? Did the ship sink??
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    Q. Would that situation make you wary in applying ?

    It has for me.
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    Quote Originally posted by JNA
    Q. Would that situation make you wary in applying ?

    It would me
    Yes! But I love the area

    I actually interviewed in a town near there....one of the town board members asked me how would I manage a file system.....
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    It would certainly would make me a little wary. However, it could just be that there is a new administration in that decided to do some house cleaning.

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    Quote Originally posted by tsc
    I actually interviewed in a town near there....one of the town board members asked me how would I manage a file system.....
    I once interviewed for a town near there as well, and couldn't get a straight answer from the town officials afterwards regarding the status of their search.

    I had the joy of reading about their hiring decision in the morning paper.....

    Back on topic:

    Perhaps Lee Nellis or NHPlanner (aka Mr. NNECAPA) could enlighten us as to what's up.

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    Curious

    Yes, what is going on up there? :-P
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    From the APA website:
    The City of Burlington, a university community of 40,000 on the shores of Lake Champlain, is seeking an experienced professional to provide leadership for its planning program. Current Director is retiring in October after 19 years. The position is accountable for the management and coordination of planning and development review functions for this very dynamic community, considered one of America's most livable cities.

    Didn't see a posting for any other planning positions, though.

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    The NY Metro APA website has them all posted...
    http://www.nyplanning.org/
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    I think that the old staff bought a "office" loto ticket, and won.

    We play the loto from time to time, and often wonder what happens if we in, would the City Manager have a heart attack?
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    My understanding is that Mark Eldridge, the Department Director is retiring, there's been an internal shift of people to positions, and what's been posted is the result of the internal position shifts and some small reorganizing of the department.

    I'll add a cheap plug...they're also posted on www.nnecapa.org
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    Quote Originally posted by SGB
    I had the joy of reading about their hiring decision in the morning paper.....
    Wow! Gardner, KS did the same thing to me... and I was one of the two finalists! I'm not sure I'd have been happy there anyway. (Too close to El Guapo)
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    Quote Originally posted by Mastiff
    Wow! Gardner, KS did the same thing to me...
    Does the name Dush mean anything to you?

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    Burlington would be an awesome place to live. Great summers, great winters (if you like to ski). Really neat downtown. One of the cycling magazines rated it as a top 10 place to live.

    About 2 hours to montreal and 4 hours to boston.

    If I had not just moved and still recovering($$) from the move I'd consider applying.
    Too lazy to beat myself up for being to lazy to beat myself up for being too lazy to... well you get the point....

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    Quote Originally posted by Budgie
    Does the name Dush mean anything to you?
    Not that I recall... should it?
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    It would be a nasty paycut, and I'm not sure I could do winter anymore, let alone WINTER (I've heard the winds howling off Lake Chapaign are...amazing), but I loved Burlington when I visited a few years ago...in summer

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    It would be a nasty pay cut for me as well... but Burlington Vermont is a great place,,,reminds me of my hometown of Ithaca, NY. Champlain is beautiful... and the views of the Adirondacks...my boat would be right at home. But,, housing is expensive....but I am sure traffic is not as bad as I have right now.

    Very tempting....
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    Using the Sr planner wages, it equals almost $40K a year. Using a salary convertor and assuming you'd want to own here are the numbers I got.

    Quote Originally posted by bkm
    It would be a nasty paycut
    For the bay area it is "equivalent" to just over 87k

    Quote Originally posted by tsc
    It would be a nasty pay cut for me as well... but Burlington Vermont is a great place,,,.
    For where you live you need to make $65k for the same standard of living.

    For me it would also technically be a drop in my pay. (Using London as my base point - $32k).


    Not sure how salary convertors really work as there are items that are expensive no matter where you live. For me a new bike tire is the same price regardless if I earn $1 million dollars or $20k so I don't know how those items factor in.

    Here is the link for the one I used, there are lots of other, this was the first one that came up.

    http://www.homefair.com/homefair/calc/salcalc.html
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    I love Burlington, but housing has become really expensive up there!

    Of course, for you NYC, Boston, and California residents, it probably doesn't look that bad...

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    Quote Originally posted by Mastiff
    Wow! Gardner, KS did the same thing to me... and I was one of the two finalists! I'm not sure I'd have been happy there anyway. (Too close to El Guapo)
    IMHO, It's not so much the great El Guapo. You'd be too close to Olathe. coughMarkCoynecough coughbugeyedasshatcough.
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    Quote Originally posted by donk
    For where you live you need to make $65k for the same standard of living.
    Is this for the directorship? Because that is not very much for that position in most American cities... even for those in the "rust belt" with lower housing cost.

    Then again, I've never been to Vermont, so perhaps that is normal for the area.
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    Quote Originally posted by biscuit
    Is this for the directorship? Because that is not very much for that position in most American cities... even for those in the "reust belt" with lower housing cost.

    Then again, I've never been to Vermont, so perhaps that is normal for that area.
    Burlington is not looking for a new director....they promoted from within. They're looking for a senior planner and an associate planner.
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    Quote Originally posted by biscuit
    Is this for the directorship? Because that is not very much for that position in most American cities... even for those in the "reust belt" with lower housing cost.

    Then again, I've never been to Vermont, so perhaps that is normal for that area.
    Vermont does pay really low in general.. and the housing is not cheap. You gotta really want to live there and put a high value on the quality of life.

    Quote Originally posted by NHPlanner
    Burlington is not looking for a new director....they promoted from within. They're looking for a senior planner and an associate planner.
    They have all three still posted on their own website...must have to meet some civil service guidelines.
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    Hmmm.....their HR guy only sent me the Senior and Associate Planner (and a department secretary) to post on NNECAPA......I'll have to put a bug in the ear of a particular planner from Burlington that happens to be the NNECAPA prez.....
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    I see the director job is also listed at the APA website....
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    Quote Originally posted by donk
    Using the Sr planner wages, it equals almost $40K a year. Using a salary convertor and assuming you'd want to own here are the numbers I got.



    For the bay area it is "equivalent" to just over 87k


    Here is the link for the one I used, there are lots of other, this was the first one that came up.

    http://www.homefair.com/homefair/calc/salcalc.html
    Used a different calculator (via Google), and we are looking at a 25% drop in "equivalent" pay to move to Burlington. Still, how realistic are these calculators?-that's a good question.

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