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    Democratic National Convention

    Let's talk it up!!! What are your favorite quotes so far? Who's been the best so far?

    I vote for my boy Teddy! The only person with more courage than him is John Kerry. "and liberty and justice for all will mean liberty and justice for all". What a true patriot.

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    Rather than watch the convention, for a fair and balanced perspective I've decided to read the Fox News coverage the following day.
    All these years the people said he’s actin’ like a kid.
    He did not know he could not fly, so he did.
    - - Guy Clark, "The Cape"

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    I have watched a few parts of it. Reminds me of a high school pep-rally.

    I have yet to hear anything that would even remotely want to change my vote. I was impressed with Clinton’s interview with Tom Brokaw when he said that he knew about what’s his name taking a few papers by accident out of the archives, and that he finds it hard to believe that Kerry did not have any knowledge of it.

    It does look like a lot of fun. I am still waiting to hear about anything with smart growth, revitalizing communities, and increasing positive interaction within communities.
    You get what you give.

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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis
    I am still waiting to hear about anything with smart growth, revitalizing communities, and increasing positive interaction within communities.
    You'll be dead before you hear any of those topics covered at a convention.
    "Growth is inevitable and desirable, but destruction of community character is not. The question is not whether your part of the world is going to change. The question is how." -- Edward T. McMahon, The Conservation Fund

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    I haven't and don't intend to watch. The conventions are anachronisms.

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    My Personal Experience at a Political Conference

    The year was 1988, the summer between my sophomore and junior years of high school; New Orleans had the dubious honor of being the host city to the Republican National Convention. Through some stroke of luck, I was chosen to work as a volunteer during the G.O.P.'s 2 week dominion over the city. Some people don't know that these conventions are actually 2 weeks long. The first week is for the party's platform committee to meet and develop their actual platform or agenda for the convention and the second week is the convention. Anyway, during the platform week I met a lot of interesting people including the man who was to become the 41st president of the U.S.

    I was 16 years old, obviously too young to vote, but was just beginning to form my own political ideology. I took that time as an opportunity to get past my preconceived notions about the G.O.P. (old, racist, selfish SOB's) and to learn more about what the party had to offer. I suprisingly found that I agreed with some of their ideas and such, but was eventually turned off of the party altogether, not soley because of that, but because of their members. During this time, African Americans were far and between at the G.O.P. conventions. I may have been one of the very few volunteers of color. I was not always treated well during the convention - basically was ignored, particularly when I had pertinent information to pass on to someone, or talked down to, and sometimes both. One incident in which I was officially off-duty, not wearing any volunteer credentials or anything to indicate that I was staff, these two women walked up to me and a friend and asked us if we were "the help." We may as well been standing there wearing maids' uniforms and rags on our heads. I think that was the first time in my life that I had ever been deeply offended like that.

    Another thing that turned me away from the party was my interaction with the few African Americans that were participants of the conference. In conversations (or I should say debates) with them, they would try to convince me of why I should become a Republican. The BEST answer they could give me was "it was the Republican party that freed the slaves." When I challenged them on that, they couldn't give me any other valid reason. I thought that was pretty pathetic, especially since I have some STAUNCH conservatives in my own family that could have given me better reasons than those fools. It could have been my age or gender that kept them from engaging me in an intelligent, worthwhile conversation but that's all said and done.

    After the 2 weeks ended, I was still unsure about which party I wanted to align myself with, but I was sure that I was not overly impressed with the Republicans. I am proud to say that I had that experience and still have the medal and thank you letter that I received from the Louisiana delegation for my service.
    "A witty woman is a treasure, a witty beauty is a power!"

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    Quote Originally posted by SGB
    Rather than watch the convention, for a fair and balanced perspective I've decided to read the Fox News coverage the following day.
    URGH.
    Actually, my DH made me watch Bill O'Reilly last night, only because Michael Moore was on. (Of course, Moore kicked O'Reilly's butt!)

    I hear the Obama speech was fantastic, though I didn't get to see it.

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    Enough of the Network people -

    Q. is you're local newspaper running a column/article by a locally important person who is a delegate about their observations ?

    My fair city's newspaper has our County's Prosecutor.
    Oddball
    Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves?
    Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
    Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
    From Kelly's Heroes (1970)


    Are you sure you're not hurt ?
    No. Just some parts wake up faster than others.
    Broke parts take a little longer, though.
    From Electric Horseman (1979)

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    I have heard lines from this famous speech quoted on the two previous nights:

    With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right,
    as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in;
    to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle,
    and for his widow, and his orphan -- to do all which may achieve and cherish
    a just, and a lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations.
    When one of them can write a speech half as good, I'll really start to pay attention.
    BTW: quite appropriate for our own times....
    Je suis Charlie

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    Quote Originally posted by Planderella
    The year was 1988, the summer between my sophomore and junior years of high school; New Orleans had the dubious honor of being the host city to the Republican National Convention. Through some stroke of luck, I was chosen to work as a volunteer during the G.O.P.'s 2 week dominion over the city. Some people don't know that these conventions are actually 2 weeks long. The first week is for the party's platform committee to meet and develop their actual platform or agenda for the convention and the second week is the convention. Anyway, during the platform week I met a lot of interesting people including the man who was to become the 41st president of the U.S.

    I was 16 years old, obviously too young to vote, but was just beginning to form my own political ideology. I took that time as an opportunity to get past my preconceived notions about the G.O.P. (old, racist, selfish SOB's) and to learn more about what the party had to offer. I suprisingly found that I agreed with some of their ideas and such, but was eventually turned off of the party altogether, not soley because of that, but because of their members. During this time, African Americans were far and between at the G.O.P. conventions. I may have been one of the very few volunteers of color. I was not always treated well during the convention - basically was ignored, particularly when I had pertinent information to pass on to someone, or talked down to, and sometimes both. One incident in which I was officially off-duty, not wearing any volunteer credentials or anything to indicate that I was staff, these two women walked up to me and a friend and asked us if we were "the help." We may as well been standing there wearing maids' uniforms and rags on our heads. I think that was the first time in my life that I had ever been deeply offended like that.

    Another thing that turned me away from the party was my interaction with the few African Americans that were participants of the conference. In conversations (or I should say debates) with them, they would try to convince me of why I should become a Republican. The BEST answer they could give me was "it was the Republican party that freed the slaves." When I challenged them on that, they couldn't give me any other valid reason. I thought that was pretty pathetic, especially since I have some STAUNCH conservatives in my own family that could have given me better reasons than those fools. It could have been my age or gender that kept them from engaging me in an intelligent, worthwhile conversation but that's all said and done.

    After the 2 weeks ended, I was still unsure about which party I wanted to align myself with, but I was sure that I was not overly impressed with the Republicans. I am proud to say that I had that experience and still have the medal and thank you letter that I received from the Louisiana delegation for my service.
    I'd like to take this moment and appologize for my Republican Bretheren and their idiotic actions in the past. I am a minority in the Republican Party that believes that the sins of the past should be atoned for and that the future of the Republican Party needs to include many who have felt excluded in the past, and not just to gain office, but because it is the right thing to do. (No Canadians though)

    Bob Dole told the party 8 years ago that "if you have hate in your heart" he would help you find the exit in his keynote speech at the '96 Republican Convention. The Party needs to get back to its roots and dump the unholy alliance it has made with big business. We need to outlaw everything but individual contributions. In my mind, corporations and PACs do not have the right to make political contributions. The money should also only come from your district- period.

    Anyway, sorry and I hope you'll give us another look someday.

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    Never watched one, never plan to. Can't even finish the newspaper articles about them.

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    Quote Originally posted by Mud Princess
    I hear the Obama speech was fantastic, though I didn't get to see it.
    He's a contender ... I'm sure of it. If Kerry doesn't get to the White House in 2005, and Obama makes a mark as a senator, I see him as a possible presidential candidate in 2008 or 2012.

    Worst case scenario - Bush gets another term. If he doesn't become President for Life, I see the following running for the Democratic Party nomination in 2008:

    * John Edwards
    * Barak Obama
    * Hillary Clinton

    Any of them can beat Bill Frist, who's the likely GOP candidate in '08 IMHO. If it's Rudy Giuliani getting the GOP nod ... gawd, even I might vote Pubbie. I'll admit to having quite a bit of respect for moderate and liberal Rockefeller-style New York Republicans. If the Constitution is amended so Ahnold can get a shot .. anything goes.
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    elGuap, if the Republican party could find people like Everett Dirksen and Barry Goldwater again, they would be much more tolerable. There used to be true conservatives who could be admired for their positions.

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    Mike and Dan make legitimate points regarding the future of the GOP. Bill frist is not the answer. Maybe Rudy. who knows.

    I find it interesting that everyone has embraced Mr. Obama's speech, which I found particularly atypical of comments from democrats. I hope his sentiments are real and not just some temporary rush to the middle for spin-sake.

    What is Hillary going to do if Kerry-Edwards actually wins? The she may never get the chance to run.

    All in all i have found the convention boring and unwatchable. Though I expect the same of the Republican convention.

    I am intersted to watch Kerry tonight. 55 minute speech. Pass the Mountain Dew!

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    EG I always figured that you were misplaced and you really belonged in the Bull Moose Party after TR split it off. It has been all downhill for the Republicans since then. The fact that the GOP has taken its present form is a testament to the fact than an astonishing number of Americans believe that they too can get rich - if they get just the right break. Which is why so many of them (almost all of whom will be voting for Bush) spend so much time in casinos, and why they are so tolerant of the corporate economy.

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    Quote Originally posted by gkmo62u
    What is Hillary going to do if Kerry-Edwards actually wins? The she may never get the chance to run.
    FWIW, I have never quite understood the assumption that Hillary will run for president. She's a smart woman, but I know so many people that can't stand her; it's a wonder she was elected to the Senate. She's too unpopular to win.

    Of course, maybe I will eat my words in 2008...

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    Quote Originally posted by el Guapo
    I'd like to take this moment and appologize for my Republican Bretheren and their idiotic actions in the past. I am a minority in the Republican Party that believes that the sins of the past should be atoned for and that the future of the Republican Party needs to include many who have felt excluded in the past, and not just to gain office, but because it is the right thing to do. (No Canadians though)

    Bob Dole told the party 8 years ago that "if you have hate in your heart" he would help you find the exit in his keynote speech at the '96 Republican Convention. The Party needs to get back to its roots and dump the unholy alliance it has made with big business. We need to outlaw everything but individual contributions. In my mind, corporations and PACs do not have the right to make political contributions. The money should also only come from your district- period.

    Anyway, sorry and I hope you'll give us another look someday.
    Nothing personal el, but the GOP seems bound and determined to drive out anyone who is not a fanatic or a closet member of the John Birch society. Snow, Chaffee and Jeffers have been demonized for appearing to be sane, rational people. I might be more sympathetic to the GOP if they didn't so will to sell us all out to the coporations, hypocritical on moral issues and willing to conceed that the environmentalist may have a point. I have asthma and the whole clean air thing is a big issue for me.

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    I wanted Hillary to run this year, not because of any attachment to her, but because I wanted to see another Bush defeated by a Clinton. That would have been so nice.

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    Quote Originally posted by el Guapo
    I'd like to take this moment and appologize for my Republican Bretheren and their idiotic actions in the past. I am a minority in the Republican Party that believes that the sins of the past should be atoned for and that the future of the Republican Party needs to include many who have felt excluded in the past, and not just to gain office, but because it is the right thing to do. (No Canadians though)

    Bob Dole told the party 8 years ago that "if you have hate in your heart" he would help you find the exit in his keynote speech at the '96 Republican Convention. The Party needs to get back to its roots and dump the unholy alliance it has made with big business. We need to outlaw everything but individual contributions. In my mind, corporations and PACs do not have the right to make political contributions. The money should also only come from your district- period.

    Anyway, sorry and I hope you'll give us another look someday.
    Thanks for the sentiment, EG.

    I'm like Dan in that I have a liking for the moderate GOPers of old. Michigan Governor William Milliken was a favorite Republican of mine in the '70s; Rudy Giuliani is part of a dying breed in the party.

    I'm an African-American who believes there should -- needs to be -- more of us in the GOP, but the party's gotta meet us halfway. Contrary to popular belief, there's agreement on some issues many blacks and many GOPers; many blacks are as socially conservative as evangelical Republicans. If you guys could honestly reach out, you'd be surprised at the response -- myself included.

    As far as the DNC, pretty much what I expected. However, usually there's a bump in poll numbers after a convention, and I don't think that will happen this time. And Barack Obama is the real deal -- I met him briefly about six years ago, and thought even then that he was going places.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dan
    He's a contender ... I'm sure of it. If Kerry doesn't get to the White House in 2005, and Obama makes a mark as a senator, I see him as a possible presidential candidate in 2008 or 2012........
    I don't think Obama can be the president or vice president. I think he was born in a forign country, and was not born a US citizen. Would be interesting to know for sure. He was on FIRE the other night.
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    Quote Originally posted by Duke Of Dystopia
    I don't think Obama can be the president or vice president. I think he was born in a forign country, and was not born a US citizen. Would be interesting to know for sure. He was on FIRE the other night.
    He is a native citizen. His dad is from Kenya, and his mom is from Kansas. Obama was born in Hawaii.

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    Quote Originally posted by pete-rock
    Thanks for the sentiment, EG.
    .......
    I'm an African-American who believes there should -- needs to be -- more of us in the GOP, but the party's gotta meet us halfway. Contrary to popular belief, there's agreement on some issues many blacks and many GOPers; many blacks are as socially conservative as evangelical Republicans. If you guys could honestly reach out, you'd be surprised at the response -- myself included.
    .........
    and also @ El Guapo

    Yeah, thats the problem. If you are not part of the " CRZ, the new CHRISTIAN RELIGOUS ZEALOT party, you are unwelcome in the GOP. After 4 years of being told I am not a "REAL" conservative by my party, I have walked out of thier door. I won't be going back, EVER, and yes, I DO have some real hard feelings about it. The best I can claim now is fiercly independent. For the first time, I will be fiercly pulling every lever I can against the CRZ in this next election. But I suppose that makes me unamerican now. So I will stop now before even more distasteful bile rises in the throat.

    Quote Originally posted by pete-rock
    He is a native citizen. His dad is from Kenya, and his mom is from Kansas. Obama was born in Hawaii.
    Yay!

    The CRZ is still trying to rustle up a member stupid enough to get crushed by him in the fall elections. I hope he is as good and real as he sounded the other night.
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