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    Cyburbian jordanb's avatar
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    A proposal to fix the Chicago airport capacity problem.

    I propose that a bistate Gary-Chicago Airport Authority (GCAA) be formed. Federal monies that would be used to expand O'Hare or build an airport at Peatone instead should be used to fund expansion and improvement of the Gary-Chicago airport.

    In addition, a stub-terminal should be built from the NICTD tracks to provide easy access to the airport terminal, and the GCAA should be tasked with subsidizing a train between Randolph Street Station and that terminal. The train, named GCAT, will operate on twenty-minute headways twenty-four hours per day, and make all-stops between Randolph and the airport. This will provide the south lakefront, Pullman, Hegewisch, Hammond, East Chicago, and western Gary with rapid-transit level train service. The CGAT trains will take around an hour to reach the airport from Downtown.

    GCAT should enter into revenue-sharing agreements with Metra and NICTD so that customers may enter any train with any pre-purchase fair media, further enhancing service in the corridor. Conductors should also carry readers that can deduct fares from CTA Chicago Cards.

    Airlines can be incentivised to provide service to the expanded Gary-Chicago airport with tight FAA-imposed flight limits from O'Hare and Midway. Gary-Chicago is far enough from Chicago to minimize interference with operations at those two airports.

    This propsal will open up a blighted area for redevelopment, provide rapid-transit rail service to a corridor that desperately needs it, solve Chicago's airport congestion problems, and probably save billions over either of the two existing proposals in the process.

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    but gary is in Indiana... sorry.
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    Yes, by all means spend billions of dollars on a new airport. Locate it far from the north and northwestern suburbs, where the majority of air travelers originate. Completely ignore the other airports in the region that are capable of adding flights. That sounds like a good policy to me.

    Milwaukee is an hour from Chicago's northern fringe. There is now even rail service along the north line, directly to the airport. Milwaukee is the home base for Midwest Express. American, United, Delta, US Air, Northwest, Southwest, and others already have flights from Milwaukee, many of them non-stop to all of the major US destinations. It has just undergone extensive remodeling and expansion.

    Rockford is an hour from Chicago's northwest suburbs. It was expanded a dozen years ago, but is more suited to air cargo traffic.

    Either of these airports could be more widely used and relieve a significant pressure on O'hare. So why not? O'hare is controlled by the City of Chicago, which receives revenue from the airport. All of its proposals for a new airport contain a consistent requirement - that Chicago control it. Politics, not good planning, is behind the "third airport" initiative. Fortunately, it has languished for a decade and will likely never get built. At least we can hope.
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    The "Third Airport" proposal is for Peatone. And it's being championed by the suburbs, not by Chicago.

    Gary-Chicago is not a new airport. It's already there. It already has a train line running nearby it, and it's already in a built-up region of the metro so it won't induce sprawl. (Just a lot of brownfield development).

    Also the northwest suburbs aren't the origins of most of the trips. If any suburbs are, then it'd be the western suburbs. And undoubtedly a not-at-all-shabby number of trips through Chicago's airports either origininate or terminate downtown. "An hour from the northern fringe" is redicliously far away, and bound to induce far more sprawl than even Peatone. Gary-Chicago only about an hour from downtown, and less than two hours by train from the north side, the north shore, the western suburbs, and probably the northwestern suburbs (certanly the northwestern part of the city).

    boiker -- That's why I propose a bistate authority to run it. It's been done sucessfully in New York with a third airport in Newark plus PATH.

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    Quote Originally posted by jordanb
    The "Third Airport" proposal is for Peatone. And it's being championed by the suburbs, not by Chicago.

    Gary-Chicago is not a new airport. It's already there. It already has a train line running nearby it, and it's already in a built-up region of the metro so it won't induce sprawl. (Just a lot of brownfield development).

    Also the northwest suburbs aren't the origins of most of the trips. If any suburbs are, then it'd be the western suburbs. And undoubtedly a not-at-all-shabby number of trips through Chicago's airports either origininate or terminate downtown. "An hour from the northern fringe" is redicliously far away, and bound to induce far more sprawl than even Peatone. Gary-Chicago only about an hour from downtown, and less than two hours by train from the north side, the north shore, the western suburbs, and probably the northwestern suburbs (certanly the northwestern part of the city).

    boiker -- That's why I propose a bistate authority to run it. It's been done sucessfully in New York with a third airport in Newark plus PATH.
    If train service were upgraded on the Amtrack, Milwaukee to Chicago route or there is a higher level of service to be provided on the metra extension to Milwaukee already planned, then there will be similiar levels of service to the Milwaukee airport

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    Quote Originally posted by jordanb
    I propose that a bistate Gary-Chicago Airport Authority (GCAA) be formed.
    There's already a
    bi-state Gary/Chicago airport authority, formed in April 1995. It was formed when the Lake Calumet Airport proposal was on the table, which would've been entirely too close to Gary for the-then Gary International Airport to co-exist. Gary went along with Lake Calumet only when they were able to be at the table, too.

    I dunno, I think the answer to the air transport capacity problems lies in effectively using what we already have. That could mean another runway at O'Hare. It could mean another runway at Midway (and you think adding a runway at O'Hare would be tough). It most certainly would mean utilizing Gary/Chicago for South Siders, Mitchell in Milwaukee for North Siders, and Rockford as well.

    Peotone's a bad idea not only because of distance (and it is far). It's a bad idea because, despite being over capacity at O'Hare and Midway, there's just not enough projected air traffic growth to justify a new airport, or one greatly expanded. And that applies to Gary/Chicago, too.

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    This is probably a dumb proposal, but what the hey, blame it on the missing brain cells.....

    Build a high-speed train, similar to some of the Japanese trains, that runs from the O'Hare Terminal to a secondary terminal about sixty (60) miles away, located in some converted cornfield in Illinois. All vehicle traffic and passengers continue to go to O'Hare......but many flights, perhaps the longer overseas flights, would use the secondary terminal and tarmac in the converted cornfield. The high speed train would get them there.

    Nice blend of airport authorities and transit authorities.

    Never happen, though.

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    jordanb:

    Your proposal for the GCAT would solve another of the greatest problems facing South Siders today (and by South Siders, I mean me and my friends): how to get UChicago students between Hyde Park and downtown at any time of day, without having to use the damned 55 bus.

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