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    Can an attorney help with a speeding ticket?

    I'm in speeding ticket hell. Two tickets in the past week, both for ~12 MPH above the limit on roads that were designed for MUCH higher speeds.

    I'm sick of this, and I'm afraid that I'll lose my license for these piddly violations. I can't talk my way out of a ticket, being a man going on middle age. So, can a lawyer help? Has anyone tried it before?

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    One word: YES get one.

    I've had friends in similar situations, and they do pay for themselves in saved insurance premiums.

    Dan, there are repeat drunk drivers out there thatget out of worse tickets. Fight THE MAN, bro.

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    Because it's a requirement for my employment to have a valid DL, I'd get a lawyer under those circumstances.

    You better update your post in the thread concerning moving violations (it's an old one).

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    Dan,

    Sometimes you just need to show up at the court appearance to get the ticket reduced or dismissed. Often the officer does not show up. You might try just showing up for the hearing to appeal the ticket. Good Luck

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    good luck Dan

    anyway you can use your planner mind to show the speed limit is bogus or that the area was a speed trap? Judges HATE cops and drool for the chance to bitch slap one on something.
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    Do you not have those outfits like Ex-Coppers or POINTS? These outfits are made up of ex-cops and all they do is fight traffic tickets. Never used them myself so I can't vouch for 'em, but I think you only pay them if you win your case...

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    Yes check with a lawyer. I don't know what the general practice is where you are but here if we pay double the fine they don't show up on your record. I am of the belief that is a kind of legal bribbery but it is worth it in insurance. Good Luck.
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    Please don't get mad that I am saying this, but I feel that if you were actually speeding then you should pay the consequences. Trust me, I've been there and it sucks. But, the road design is really no excuse. Even if it is 60 back to back (curb to curb) and posted at 20 mph, than that is the legal limit. If they weren't posted, than that is a different story.

    Usually around here the police reduce it - if you were really going 10 over, they write it up as 5 over. To answer your question, would the cost of attorney fees exceed the cost of the tickets, insurance, etc.? You might be paying more for the attorney than its worth. Definately try to fight it if you want, but with your luck, you might want to try slowing down

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    Quote Originally posted by SW MI Planner
    Usually around here the police reduce it - if you were really going 10 over, they write it up as 5 over. To answer your question, would the cost of attorney fees exceed the cost of the tickets, insurance, etc.? You might be paying more for the attorney than its worth. Definately try to fight it if you want, but with your luck, you might want to try slowing down
    It helps that you're female, though. Ohio cops DO NOT give breaks, especially to men.

    Slowing down means, literally, crawling on the stretches of streets that I was nabbed on. The design speeds were much higher, and there's no way I was exceeding the 85th percentile speed in either case, despite the posted limits.

    The first stop, I was supposedly going 15+ over, which IMHO is impossible. I don't drive that fast. The cop was moving.

    The second ticket was a hidden speed trap, which is techncially illegal in Ohio. Stationary operation of radar must be conducted in a clearly visible location, according to Ohio law. The second stop wasn't: the cop came out of a hidden driveway, at night to boot. Four lane road with a center turning lane, posted speed 25.
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    Free legal advice for the day: get a lawyer. Yes, it can only help.
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    Definitely get a lawyer.

    In June, I accidentally drove into a police scene that invloved a serious auto turnover in a ditch in front of a 7-11. The police were so pissed they gave me a misdemeanor ticket called "Disobey Police Order or Siren." It carried many points, a hefty fine, and an appearance in front of a jury. I was scared! However, for $150, I hired a lawyer and put my Planning Skillz to work. I created a visual with maps and dimensions to demonstrate how the local Township police barely secured the area. Further, I was able to illustrate how the Township failed to recognize a change in lane width. I depicted this in a very subtle manner, but would be obvious to anyone who can read a map. This visual, two color 8.5x11 pages, was used by the lawyer to get the ticket reduced to Faulty Equipment, only a $150 fine, no points, and a waiver of the court appearance. Whew! In total, I spent $300, but it was worth it.

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    I've gotten only one ticket and the cop was not in a clear line of sight with the stop sign he claimed I ran. Anyway, no lawyer got it reduced to failure to obey a traffic control device, $100 fine and 2 points (minor, no premium change).

    But if you have 2...I would maybe get a lawyer for the harder fight.

    Anyone ever take a ticket to trial or do you just take the offer they make?
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    As someone who has amassed 6 speeding tickets in my life, I can safely say that getting an attorney is a great idea.

    After a ticket a few years ago I was bombarded with junk mail from lawyers. So one of them offered to represent me for like 50 or 75 bucks. I called and what they do is plea to a different charge, like improper signal, which carried no points but was 50 dollars more in fines. I think that paying 50 bucks (plus lawyer fees) to avoid getting points is well worth it. Plus I didn't have to take off work to sit in traffic court. I wish I had done that for my previous tickets.
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    Fight the man

    Best legal advice of the day, do not get a lawyer.

    If you haven't already, plead innocent and get a court date. Sometimes the cop shows up, sometimes they don't. At two of mine they did. The judge always asks if you gave the cop a hard time, so don't be a dick when you get pulled over. The one charge was running a red light and the other was for going 15mph over the limit.

    Verdict: Guilty for both, payed a fine, got it knocked down to something and no points.

    The thing is, they want your money. That's how a lot of these local yokel communities get their revenue.

    Another time, ran a stop sign because I was ready to choke somebody. Got the ticket, plead guilty and sent in the check. A month or two later, I got a refund check for $5 because I overpaid on the ticket. Didn't cash it because I lost it.

    Verdict: No points because of a glitch in the system that couldn't register it or something like that, because I didn't cash the check. I've heard this happening to other people as well. I don't know if it still works today.

    Then there was my run in with the Cledus patrol.

    Verdict: Not guilty because I didn't do anything wrong. Stupid cops.
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    I was recently ticketed for "following too closely." Buls***! There was a string of cars going ten miles under the limit because the cop was among them. I was two cars behind him. He saw me pass someone as I came up to the group (legally, dashed line and the person I passed was going well under the limit) and since he couldn't give me a ticket for something that miffed him, he made up this one. I was, in fact, maintining the same distance as everyone else. I plan to call the county prosecutor and see if he will agree to drop the charge. If not, I will go to court, plead not guilty, and begin to rip the cop in half. "Officer, can you explain to me how you can claim to have directly observed this alleged violation by looking in your mirror through two other cars..."

    An attorney might be a help to you, but the first thing they will do is contact the prosecutor and try to negotiate down the penalty. In many cases you can do this yourself. If you have a reasonably good driving record and can throw in a few mitigating circumstances, explain the need for your license and ask if he will agree to the fines, but drop the points.
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