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    Cyburbian GeogPlanner's avatar
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    Tonite's Veep Debate 10/05

    Let's get ready to rumble! Who's gonna open a can of whoop arse?
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    don't disturb me...the playoffs are on, OK?
    Annoyingly insensitive

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    Each one spoke to their base. If you like Bush, Cheney won. If you like Kerry, Edwards won.

    Cheney looked and acted like he was personally defending his own programs, not the President's. However, I have heard everything he said as talking points over and over again. There were a few things in Edward's remarks that were new, like how Kerry would handle tort reform and the distinction between national medical policies that favor patients or that favor drug companies and insurors.

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    I call it a draw. Edwards drew a slight edge for presentation, but screwed up by mentioning John Kerry's name during a question where he was specifically asked not to mention it. Cheney was excellent on the defense. Despite the monotone of his Wyoming accent, he artfully evaded many of Edwards' criticisms.

    The debate can be summarized in two sentences.

    Edwards: "You're misleading the public! You've misjudged everything while in office, especially the situation with Iraq."
    Cheney: You're wrong! Your facts are wrong. You've been on the wrong side of defense issues. Kerry sends mixed messages. Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
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    The democrats are quick to pounce on the debate phenomenom from this Yahoo! news story. Visit a democrats.org post-debate BS page.
    Last edited by Wannaplan?; 07 Oct 2004 at 7:31 AM.

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    News Flash: Cheney has his own opinions

    Unfortunately everytime he was asked to comment on something that he might have differed from the President on his response was, "I won't comment on that."

    I counted this phenomenon at least three times - the first on the follow-up opportunity on gay rights. Too often Cheney has been described as the man running W. It appears now that maybe no one runs W. Heaven Help Us!
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    Did you get a closer look at the picture from Reuters? How tasteless?!? (j/k)
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    Quote Originally posted by GeogPlanner
    Did you get a closer look at the picture from Reuters? How tasteless?!? (j/k)
    AAARRRGGGHHHH! Soda (pop) through the nose!!! It burns!!! It burns!!! :-P

    You people are dangerous with photoshop!

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    I think Cheney won. Not because he scored better (they were both landing zingers on eachother right and left), but because Edwards didn't dominate like I thought he would. Of course, maybe I shouldn't have expected so little out of Cheney, he's obviously not a slack-jawed idiot like his running mate.

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    Rewriting history?

    MSNBC claims thate Cheney was off on his facts in the debate.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6192327/site/newsweek/

    And now there were NEVER any WMD's per the new report from our own arms inspectors.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6190720/
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    Quote Originally posted by jordanb
    Of course, maybe I shouldn't have expected so little out of Cheney, he's obviously not a slack-jawed idiot like his running mate.
    JB - this is exactly how Rob felt the next morning. I went to sleep, but the next morning he said "Wow - Cheney is a smart guy!" I said you have to be to be Secret President.

    I also don't understand how you can get away with a "No Comment" in a debate. isn't that the point of a debate? To get your comment?

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    I walked away thinking I like Cheney better than Bush, and Edwards better than Kerry....
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    I loved loved loved Cheney telling everyone to go to www.factcheck.com. Go there, see what it says (it's completely work safe!).
    When Jesus said "love your enemies", he probably didn't mean kill them.

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    Quote Originally posted by Habanero
    I loved loved loved Cheney telling everyone to go to www.factcheck.com. Go there, see what it says (it's completely work safe!).
    Freudian slip, he was intending to say " http://www.factcheck.org ". Anyone of Constitutional eligibility age for President (35+) can make that mistake.

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    Quote Originally posted by mgk920
    Freudian slip, he was intending to say " http://www.factcheck.org ". Anyone of Constitutional eligibility age for President (35+) can make that mistake.

    Mike
    Well, even www.factcheck.org didn't think it was funny. Not only that, they were upset because he "mischaracterized its fact-finding".


    "Cheney ... wrongly implied that we had rebutted allegations Edwards was making about what Cheney had done as chief executive officer of Halliburton," the site said on Wednesday.


    story here
    When Jesus said "love your enemies", he probably didn't mean kill them.

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    What an avatar, Habs!

    Lends a whole new meaning to "Jesus Saves", doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally posted by Mastiff
    What an avatar, Habs!

    Lends a whole new meaning to "Jesus Saves", doesn't it?
    OT: I don't even think Jesus himself could save hockey now. :-S
    When Jesus said "love your enemies", he probably didn't mean kill them.

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    I thought Cheney won the debate by a very-slight edge. My expectations for Edwards were high, so his "performance" seemed stilted.

    Everybody in the world claims their candidate won. The trouble is, these two (2) mean nothing.....UNLESS something happens to Prez Bush or Prez Kerry.

    Lyndon Johnson stepped in after JF Kennedy's death and put Anerica into "Great Society" overdrive. LBJ's influence on America, from social policies to Viet Nam, was much greater than Kennedy's.

    When Nixon quit and Gerald Ford took over, he changed little in his short time at the helm.

    Veep's mean nothing.....UNLESS.....

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    Quote Originally posted by Habanero
    OT: I don't even think Jesus himself could save hockey now. :-S
    way way
    Off-topic:
    Please...hockey isn't just the NHL.


    Mrs. Tranplanner wouldn't let me watch the debate. She used her feminine wiles to lure me away.

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    Quote Originally posted by Mastiff
    What an avatar, Habs!

    Lends a whole new meaning to "Jesus Saves", doesn't it?
    "Jesus Saves! But Esposito scores on the rebound!!!"
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