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    Planning assumptions

    Sometimes people (and planners) tend to make gross assumptions about the environment. I started thinking about it and here are a couple that came to mind:

    "Urban sprawl equals unsustainable development”;
    “Spatial mapping of decisions equals spatial planning”;
    “Housing delivery (by numbers) equals poverty alleviation and provision of livelihoods (a house equals an asset, regardless of location and affordability)”;


    I thought it would be a nice topic of discussion and would like to hear what other planners in the world think....?

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    My friend Shel Clark always says: Assumption is the poorest form of knowledge.

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    "A beltway around the city will alleviate traffic."

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    Quote Originally posted by biscuit
    "A beltway around the city will alleviate traffic."
    Or another lane will take take care of the problem.

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    Once I told one of my friends how planners have to base their decisions/calculations on assumptions.
    HE replied thus:
    " Assumptions are the mother of all F***Ups!!"
    Now is that from a movie...
    Just kiiding actually but he did say that
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    Quote Originally posted by Doitnow!!
    " Assumptions are the mother of all F***Ups!!"
    Now is that from a movie...
    It was said in "Under Siege 2: Dark Territory (1995)"
    http://imdb.com/title/tt0114781/quotes
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    Quote Originally posted by JNA
    It was said in "Under Siege 2: Dark Territory (1995)"
    http://imdb.com/title/tt0114781/quotes
    Or to quote Samuel L. Jackson: "Assumption makes an a$$ out of you and umption."

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    Quote Originally posted by roger
    Or to quote Samuel L. Jackson: "Assumption makes an a$$ out of you and umption."
    Not a movie quote, but another version of that is "Assume makes an ass of you and me"

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    Quote Originally posted by roger
    Or to quote Samuel L. Jackson: "Assumption makes an a$$ out of you and umption."
    That was from "Long Kiss Goodnight, The" (1996)
    found at: http://imdb.com/title/tt0116908/quotes
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    "If you make it harder to drive, people will switch to other modes of travel." - discounting other factors that may be involved, which are, unfortunately, numerous.

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    Kinda a small one here, but bugs me none the less.

    "You do planning and zoning, right?"

    The way they say it makes it sound like they are two seperate issues. Zoning is a tool of planning, not an end of itself. One of those weird things that bother me.

    If I wasn't so fried on a Friday, I'm sure I could come up with some better ones.

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    - Herman Göring at the Nuremburg trials (thoughts on democracy)

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    Quote Originally posted by spatium
    Sometimes people (and planners) tend to make gross assumptions about the environment. I started thinking about it and here are a couple that came to mind:

    "Urban sprawl equals unsustainable development”;
    “Spatial mapping of decisions equals spatial planning”;
    “Housing delivery (by numbers) equals poverty alleviation and provision of livelihoods (a house equals an asset, regardless of location and affordability)”;


    I thought it would be a nice topic of discussion and would like to hear what other planners in the world think....?

    "Adding more car lanes to highways will reduce congestion."

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    "People love density" and in the same vein, "They want to be able to walk everywhere, and not have to mow a 1/2 acre"

    Right. Planners love density, at least some of us do. And that 1/2 acre is a great place to store the RV/boat/jetskis/work truck. Besides, the more stuff that's stored there, the less you have to mow, right?
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    Quote Originally posted by JusticeZero
    "If you make it harder to drive, people will switch to other modes of travel." - .
    He He!

    I Like that one.
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    At a community meeting someone got up and said: "I don't want that development in my neighbourhood because people will have to drive on MY street to get to it" - I guess the person only drives on HIS/HER street and not on others.

    Here's another: "Instead of providing/creating 5% of open space for parks etc., the developer can make a cash contribution instead" - $ talks and we get less public spaces/ greenery as a result. I wonder which city councillor though of that.

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