The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame - Cyburbia Forums

Bear Up North · 2004-11-24, 01:18 PM

One (1) of my favorites on my PC is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame web site. Always some interesting rock and roll trivia, etc. I do have a couple problems, though, with their inductees.

Looking at the list of hall of fame inductees, they seemed to be in two (2) separate camps......first tier "biggies", such as The Beatles, Elvis, etc. Then, the groups or performers that made a difference for a decade or so, such as The Rascals, etc.

My issue: The group Chicago has been around forever, first organized in 1968-69 as the Chicago Transit Authority. Their kick-frog first few albums were a fantastic blend of hard rock and roll (...."thank you, Terry Kath"....) and blaring horns. Later, they became pop song machines, but to me, just "blah". But, they made as much of a difference to rock and roll in the early 1970's as many of the other inductees, especially in that 2nd tier. The Staple Singers? Give me a break.

My other issue: Blood, Sweat & Tears was also extremely influential in horn-based rock and roll. Their first album may be one (1) of the best of all times, and David Clayton Thomas' superb voice produced hit after hit.

Critics explained these two as such: "Blood, Sweat & Tears is a horn group, playing rock and roll. Chicago is a rock and roll group, playing horns."

Both groups should be considered and entered into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

Seeking opinions and other nominations from the "throbbing rock and roll Brian of Cyburbia".

25 Or 6 To Bear

Repo Man · 2004-11-24, 01:50 PM

Chicago annoys people too much to be in the Hall of Fame

I think they will eventually get in there, but it will probably be on a down year when there is a lack of decent first time nominees.

What about Kiss? Moody Blues? Alan Parsons Project? And even though I think they are one of the most annyoing bands ever, Rush should at least get a look.

Miles Ignatius · 2004-11-24, 05:17 PM

I'm with you on B, S, & T 's induction to the R&R HOF but I can't see Chicago - their stuff was way too "formula-based" - I don't think they pushed the envelope musically where David Clayton Thomas and B,S, & T were really a innovative and exciting band. I had the fortune of seeing them live and the energy level was overwhelming....

Super Amputee Cat · 2004-11-24, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Repo Man

What about Kiss? Moody Blues? Alan Parsons Project? And even though I think they are one of the most annyoing bands ever, Rush should at least get a look.

I am in complete agreement on the Moodies and APP. Two of the most underrated and unappreciated bands of all time.

It has been years since I have even heard and Alan Parsons song on the radio.

Genesis should also be inducted (if they haven't already)

I'd also like to see some more "new wave" or progressive bands/artists inducted: The Cure, The Call, R. E. M. etc)

Bear Up North · 2004-11-24, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Super Amputee Cat

I am in complete agreement on the Moodies and APP. Two of the most underrated and unappreciated bands of all time.

It has been years since I have even heard and Alan Parsons song on the radio.

Genesis should also be inducted (if they haven't already)

I'd also like to see some more "new wave" or progressive bands/artists inducted: The Cure, The Call, R. E. M. etc)

If I understand the rules, it has to be at least twenty-five (25) years before a performer is eligible.

I still stand by my Chicago admission plea.....their first three (3) albums introduced a new way to play rock and roll. They had an influence on later bands.
I agree that their later stuff was formula......too dang pop.

Bear ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

mike gurnee · 2004-11-25, 12:06 AM

Ah, Blood, Sweat and Tears...my favorite group from that era.

Bear Up North · 2009-04-02, 07:06 PM

Dropping the tone arm down to re-open an old thread.....

It's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame season.....and time to listen to some suggestions from the platter-spinners of Cyburbia......who or what groups should be in the Rock Hall?

I stand by my Chicago submission from the thread initiation post. Read that post to see why.

Others that should be in the hall.....

The Moody Blues
A great blend of rock and classical riffs, mixed with lyrics to smoke dope by.

Steppenwolf
Hard-driving garage rock and roll.....and one of the best tunes ever, "The Pusher".

Mott The Hoople
These guys did glam before glam was in. And they did it wonderfully. as "young dudes" should.

Tommy James & The Shondells
With no admission to the hall, TJ should be chanting, "Get ____, get ______" to the sounds of "Mony Mony". This Bear is a mid-60s teen so TJ is great with me.

The Turtles
These guys did a slew of singable and danceable rock and roll. They should be in.

Johnny Rivers
JR was a dominant voice in the 1960s and I am quite sure his presentation, his lyrics, and his style influenced male singers in the decades that followed.

Rush
Still playing to huge crowds, these guys made some of the best music of the 1970s. Their later stuff has been pretty good, too. They should be in.
_____

No offense to you hip-hop fans out there, but I would replace Grandmaster Flash with any of the above.

Agree to disagree.
_____

Any other suggestions?

Bear

illinoisplanner · 2009-04-02, 07:25 PM

By the next time the HOF hits, it will be 2010. Meaning that we will be having groups in there who's debut albums came out in 1985 or later.

Some groups that I think deserve to go in the near future:
Bad Company
Beastie Boys
The Big Bopper
Bon Jovi
The Cars
Cheap Trick
Alice Cooper
Deep Purple
Def Leppard
Duran Duran
Foreigner
Heart
Jethro Tull
Journey
KC and the Sunshine Band
Kiss
The Marvelettes
The Monkees
Ozzy Osbourne
REO Speedwagon
Rush
Steppenwolf
Three Dog Night
The Turtles

Zoning Goddess · 2009-04-02, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bear Up North

Dropping the tone arm down to re-open an old thread.....

It's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame season.....and time to listen to some suggestions from the platter-spinners of Cyburbia......who or what groups should be in the Rock Hall?

Tommy James & The Shondells
With no admission to the hall, TJ should be chanting, "Get ____, get ______" to the sounds of "Mony Mony". This Bear is a mid-60s teen so TJ is great with me.

_____

No offense to you hip-hop fans out there, but I would replace Grandmaster Flash with any of the above.

Agree to disagree.
_____

Any other suggestions?

Bear

"Crystal and clover, over and over"

Well, unless I misunderstood. Hated, hated, hated them.

~~Chet~~ · 2009-04-02, 08:24 PM

Kind of OT

My city *at the time* made it to the All American City competiton. It was in Cleveland that year. The opening ceremony was at the RARHOF before it officially opened. I have a hard hat from the event. It kicked arse. That was when then Flats was cool.

Years later I went back and saw the Lenon exhibit. Way cool.

kjelsadek · 2009-04-02, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by Zoning Goddess

"Crystal and clover, over and over"

Well, unless I misunderstood. Hated, hated, hated them.

I thought it was Crimson and Clover? And yes, a totally annoying song.

ofos · 2009-04-02, 09:38 PM

And where are

Arlo Guthrie
Boston
Brook Benton
Doobie Brothers
Kansas
Smokey Robinson & The Miracles?

Actually they should just induct all the Motown groups.

Zoning Goddess · 2009-04-02, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kjelsadek

I thought it was Crimson and Clover? And yes, a totally annoying song.

See, just like that thread said, we mis-understand all those lyrics. Or, as in my case, our memories suck.

illinoisplanner · 2009-04-02, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ofos

And where are

Smokey Robinson & The Miracles?

They were inducted in 1987.

ofos · 2009-04-02, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by illinoisplanner

They were inducted in 1987.

My bad, I missed Smokey when I looked at the list. Looks like he was inducted but not the Miracles?

illinoisplanner · 2009-04-02, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ofos

My bad, I missed Smokey when I looked at the list. Looks like he was inducted but not the Miracles?

Yes, you are correct. The World Almanac says only he was inducted.

btrage · 2009-04-03, 09:14 AM

I equate the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame with the Grammys as opposed to a true "best of the best", like the halls of fame for the major professional sports. Music is so subjective, unlike hitting 500 home runs or winning 300 games, or winning 5 MVPs. Rock & Roll Hall of Fame isn't even on my radar, and I'm a huge fan of music.

Maister · 2009-04-03, 09:27 AM

Ditto btrage's attitude. It's like the Oscars - is there a correlation between good cinematography and Best Picture? Generally yes. Is the Best Picture usually the best picture? By no means; it's typically just the flavor of the week.

ofos · 2009-04-03, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maister

Ditto btrage's attitude. It's like the Oscars - is there a correlation between good cinematography and Best Picture? Generally yes. Is the Best Picture usually the best picture? By no means; it's typically just the flavor of the week.

Off-topic:

As FAICP is to best planners.

Bear Up North · 2009-10-13, 06:37 PM

More performers who should be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.....

Yes
Cher
Rush
The Monkees
Grand Funk Railroad

Bear

2004-11-24, 01:18 PM	#1
Bear Up North Cyburbian Plus Registered: May 2003 Location: Northwestern Ohio Posts: 7,742	The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame One (1) of my favorites on my PC is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame web site. Always some interesting rock and roll trivia, etc. I do have a couple problems, though, with their inductees. Looking at the list of hall of fame inductees, they seemed to be in two (2) separate camps......first tier "biggies", such as The Beatles, Elvis, etc. Then, the groups or performers that made a difference for a decade or so, such as The Rascals, etc. My issue: The group Chicago has been around forever, first organized in 1968-69 as the Chicago Transit Authority. Their kick-frog first few albums were a fantastic blend of hard rock and roll (...."thank you, Terry Kath"....) and blaring horns. Later, they became pop song machines, but to me, just "blah". But, they made as much of a difference to rock and roll in the early 1970's as many of the other inductees, especially in that 2nd tier. The Staple Singers? Give me a break. My other issue: Blood, Sweat & Tears was also extremely influential in horn-based rock and roll. Their first album may be one (1) of the best of all times, and David Clayton Thomas' superb voice produced hit after hit. Critics explained these two as such: "Blood, Sweat & Tears is a horn group, playing rock and roll. Chicago is a rock and roll group, playing horns." Both groups should be considered and entered into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Seeking opinions and other nominations from the "throbbing rock and roll Brian of Cyburbia". 25 Or 6 To Bear __________________ I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, um, some people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq and everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should, uh, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, should help South Africa and should help Iraq, Cyburbia, and the Asian countries,so we will be able to build up our future - Best sentence ever!

2004-11-24, 01:50 PM	#2
Repo Man Cyburbian Registered: May 2002 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,503	Chicago annoys people too much to be in the Hall of Fame I think they will eventually get in there, but it will probably be on a down year when there is a lack of decent first time nominees. What about Kiss? Moody Blues? Alan Parsons Project? And even though I think they are one of the most annyoing bands ever, Rush should at least get a look. __________________ "I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone listens to me, no matter how dumb my suggestions are." - Homer Simpson

2004-11-24, 05:17 PM	#3
Miles Ignatius Registered: May 2003 Location: Between Growth & Decay Posts: 367	B,S, & T Yes, Chicago, No I'm with you on B, S, & T 's induction to the R&R HOF but I can't see Chicago - their stuff was way too "formula-based" - I don't think they pushed the envelope musically where David Clayton Thomas and B,S, & T were really a innovative and exciting band. I had the fortune of seeing them live and the energy level was overwhelming....

2009-04-02, 07:06 PM	#7
Bear Up North Cyburbian Plus Registered: May 2003 Location: Northwestern Ohio Posts: 7,742	Spinning The Disc Dropping the tone arm down to re-open an old thread..... It's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame season.....and time to listen to some suggestions from the platter-spinners of Cyburbia......who or what groups should be in the Rock Hall? I stand by my Chicago submission from the thread initiation post. Read that post to see why. Others that should be in the hall..... The Moody Blues A great blend of rock and classical riffs, mixed with lyrics to smoke dope by. Steppenwolf Hard-driving garage rock and roll.....and one of the best tunes ever, "The Pusher". Mott The Hoople These guys did glam before glam was in. And they did it wonderfully. as "young dudes" should. Tommy James & The Shondells With no admission to the hall, TJ should be chanting, "Get ____, get ______" to the sounds of "Mony Mony". This Bear is a mid-60s teen so TJ is great with me. The Turtles These guys did a slew of singable and danceable rock and roll. They should be in. Johnny Rivers JR was a dominant voice in the 1960s and I am quite sure his presentation, his lyrics, and his style influenced male singers in the decades that followed. Rush Still playing to huge crowds, these guys made some of the best music of the 1970s. Their later stuff has been pretty good, too. They should be in. _____ No offense to you hip-hop fans out there, but I would replace Grandmaster Flash with any of the above. Agree to disagree. _____ Any other suggestions? Bear __________________ I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, um, some people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq and everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should, uh, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, should help South Africa and should help Iraq, Cyburbia, and the Asian countries,so we will be able to build up our future - Best sentence ever!

2009-04-02, 07:25 PM	#8
illinoisplanner Cyburbian Registered: May 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,635	By the next time the HOF hits, it will be 2010. Meaning that we will be having groups in there who's debut albums came out in 1985 or later. Some groups that I think deserve to go in the near future: Bad Company Beastie Boys The Big Bopper Bon Jovi The Cars Cheap Trick Alice Cooper Deep Purple Def Leppard Duran Duran Foreigner Heart Jethro Tull Journey KC and the Sunshine Band Kiss The Marvelettes The Monkees Ozzy Osbourne REO Speedwagon Rush Steppenwolf Three Dog Night The Turtles __________________ "I believe that a person's moral compass can be determined by how he references free men the right to defend themselves" -Ted Nugent

2004-11-25, 12:06 AM	#6
mike gurnee Cyburbian Registered: Feb 1998 Location: Greensburg, Kansas Posts: 1,999	Ah, Blood, Sweat and Tears...my favorite group from that era.

2009-04-02, 08:24 PM	#10
~~Chet~~ BANNED Registered: Aug 2001 Location: South Milwaukee Posts: 8,931	Kind of OT My city at the time made it to the All American City competiton. It was in Cleveland that year. The opening ceremony was at the RARHOF before it officially opened. I have a hard hat from the event. It kicked arse. That was when then Flats was cool. Years later I went back and saw the Lenon exhibit. Way cool.

2009-04-02, 09:38 PM	#12
ofos Cyburbian Plus Registered: Jul 2006 Location: Slightly Off-Center Posts: 3,546	And where are Arlo Guthrie Boston Brook Benton Doobie Brothers Kansas Smokey Robinson & The Miracles? Actually they should just induct all the Motown groups. __________________ "Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, here I am, Stuck in the middle with you.” - Stealers Wheel

2009-04-03, 09:14 AM	#17
btrage Cyburbian Registered: May 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,799	I equate the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame with the Grammys as opposed to a true "best of the best", like the halls of fame for the major professional sports. Music is so subjective, unlike hitting 500 home runs or winning 300 games, or winning 5 MVPs. Rock & Roll Hall of Fame isn't even on my radar, and I'm a huge fan of music. __________________ "I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany"

2009-04-03, 09:27 AM	#18
Maister Chairman of the Bored Registered: Feb 2004 Location: on my 15 minute break Posts: 9,085	Ditto btrage's attitude. It's like the Oscars - is there a correlation between good cinematography and Best Picture? Generally yes. Is the Best Picture usually the best picture? By no means; it's typically just the flavor of the week.

2009-10-13, 06:37 PM	#20
Bear Up North Cyburbian Plus Registered: May 2003 Location: Northwestern Ohio Posts: 7,742	More That Should Be In..... More performers who should be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame..... Yes Cher Rush The Monkees Grand Funk Railroad Bear __________________ I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, um, some people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq and everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should, uh, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, should help South Africa and should help Iraq, Cyburbia, and the Asian countries,so we will be able to build up our future - Best sentence ever!