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    Dangerous cities for pedestrians

    According to the Surface Transportation Policy Project, the southern and western states, particularly Florida, are dangerous for pedestrians.

    The worst cities in America for pedestrian deaths are:
    Orlando, Fla.
    Tampa, Fla.
    West Palm Beach, Fla.
    Miami-Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.
    Memphis, Tenn.
    Atlanta
    Greensboro, N.C.
    Jacksonville, Fla.
    Phoenix
    Houston

    Here's the rest of the study: linky

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    Quote Originally posted by Suburb Repairman
    According to the Surface Transportation Policy Project, the southern and western states, particularly Florida, are dangerous for pedestrians.
    Yes, FL as a state is mostly new roads with heavy traffic, built with a rural mentality (ie no sidewalks). Most of FL thinks it is still a rural southern state (some of it is) and forgets that we have 16 million residents and a ton of tourists.

    It is (on average) a terribble place for a pedestian.

    I still love this state though

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    Florida also has a huge number of half-blind people with poor reflexes in their eighties driving big Buicks that handle like boats.
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    Quote Originally posted by Cardinal
    Florida also has a huge number of half-blind people with poor reflexes in their eighties driving big Buicks that handle like boats.
    except for being in my 80's you just described me!!

    (it is sad, becuase it is true )

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    Quote Originally posted by Suburb Repairman
    The worst cities in America for pedestrian deaths are:
    Orlando, Fla.
    Yeah, I'm on the Bike/Ped Advisory Committee at our Orlando-area MPO. Obviously, we're fighting a losing battle...

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    I was almost hit by a car blowing a red light in Coral Springs. At least the driver had fast enough reflexes to honk, otherwise I wouldn't be writing this now. I walked about a mile on a commercial strip there just to see what it would be like. You Florida planners need to do something about this. Don't you have that nationally recognized pedestrian advocate there? Aren't they listening to him? I have his site bookmarked. I'll have to post it.
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    Quote Originally posted by boilerplater
    I was almost hit by a car blowing a red light in Coral Springs. At least the driver had fast enough reflexes to honk, otherwise I wouldn't be writing this now. I walked about a mile on a commercial strip there just to see what it would be like. You Florida planners need to do something about this. Don't you have that nationally recognized pedestrian advocate there? Aren't they listening to him? I have his site bookmarked. I'll have to post it.
    Great idea. Unfortunately, our bike/ped guy was called a "girlie man" by an Orlando Sentinel columnist recently (heheheheheheh).
    Oh, sorry. You must mean Dan Burden. Haven't met him.

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    My fair city was not ranked.

    Article today in the Indianapolis Star on the study and rankings.
    Pedestrians safer now, study finds
    Indy area still worse than some Midwest cities
    http://www.indystar.com/articles/1/199396-2691-009.html

    From the article --
    Planners point out that many of the cities deemed the "most dangerous" for pedestrians -- such as Atlanta, Orlando and Phoenix -- have experienced explosive growth, particularly in car-friendly suburbs that leave little room for pedestrians.

    "These communities, they were really designed with the automobile in mind," said David Siegel, president-elect of the American Planning Association. "It took awhile to get into this problem. It will take awhile to fix it."
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    Helllllpp.......

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again......
    I've never seen so many peds either walking or riding a bike the wrong direction on major arterials during rush hour and at night Ft. Lauderdale has got to be the worst I've ever seen for this activity I would agree that the advanced age helps this problem a lot. Just two days ago, I was driving through Boca Raton at 45mph on a major road when a blue hair pulls out in front of me in the intersection to make a right turn.....Thank GOD for 4 wheel anti-lock brakes....allowed me to steer around This is one study that seems to be completely accurate with the top 4 cities......
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    One factor which may contribute to the danger for pedestrians is the habit of subdivision residents to drive like they are trying for the indy 500. I have noticed this many times while working in developments around here. Yet these same people will be up in arms if a dump truck is in their way. I would think that their kids are the ones at risk here but evidently it doesn't matter. Also the wholesale ignoring of reasonable speed limits in ALL rsidential areas around here make walking a contact sport. People, if you are in that much of a hurry, start earlier!!

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    Yes, Dan Burden, that's who I was thinking of.
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    Quote Originally posted by The One
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again......
    I've never seen so many peds either walking or riding a bike the wrong direction on major arterials during rush hour and at night Ft. Lauderdale has got to be the worst I've ever seen for this activity I would agree that the advanced age helps this problem a lot. Just two days ago, I was driving through Boca Raton at 45mph on a major road when a blue hair pulls out in front of me in the intersection to make a right turn.....Thank GOD for 4 wheel anti-lock brakes....allowed me to steer around This is one study that seems to be completely accurate with the top 4 cities......
    Let me first qualify this by saying that being a pedestrian is risky just about everywhere but in most cases it is still safer than driving and the better the pedestrian environment the fewer fatalities - that's the fact. I also think there's a direct correlation between risk aversion and one's level of education and social status - and of course if you have the better education and come from a better background you don't normally have to decide whether or not to take such risks in the first place.

    On the other hand sometimes i feel like it's Darwin's miracle at work.

    Some people just don't pay attention or are just plain careless. I've been walking and watched people in front of me almost get hit because they walked around an obstacle on the sidewalk but rather than walking towards the buildings they stepped out into the street without looking behind them. People jaywalking state highways in NJ and straddling the jersey barrier waiting for 55mph+ traffic to clear -rather than walking the extra 100 yards to the cross-walk.

    Just yesterday i saw this high school kid struttin' his stuff for his friends and wandered out into the street (with the, "I dare you to hit me" attitude that seems to be popular with certain teenage boys) without looking left. He heard the roar of the bus, which missed him by inches, and quickly jumped back to the curb.

    When i lived in South Carolina i would routinely see residents of the local apartment complex pushing shopping carts in the center turn lane of a 7 lane highway "'cause there ain't no sidewalks. Can't push the cart in the dirt now can i?" People there also used the shoulder of I-126 as a sidewalk because the interstate was the only bridge across the river for 3 miles.
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