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    Zoning/code enforcement: can it pay for itself?

    We have an on-again/off-again debate in the office as to whether a Zoning/Code Enforcement Office should be able to cover its payroll & expenses through application fees and payments from violation judgements.

    What's the general opinion?
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    Well, I pose this question...what happens when the enforcement becomes effective and the violations are far and few between and as a result do not cover expenses? Do you let that person go and wait until it gets bad enough for it to fund itself again.

    As for covering costs, depends on the size of the community. Small town, no way. Small city, questionable. Mid-sized city, maybe. Big city, possibly. However, the larger the community, the more officers you may need. So can it be a wash? I think so. Should it rely on it? No. Do the police pay for themselves in traffic tickets?
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    I've never been anywhere that it covered its costs. At one place of employment a staff member during a brainstorming session suggested that an additional fee be added to development permits and building permits to cover the cost of anticipated future enforcement. Now I've heard of added fees to cover the costs of General/Comp Plan updates, but enforcement? I'm not going for it.

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    If I remember correctly, our revenues as a percentage of expenses were as follows:

    Electrical Inspections: 110%
    HVAC Inspections: 110%
    Building Inspection 90-100%
    Planning and Zoning: 50-75%

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    Maybe I'm back in my little dream world, but wouldn't the best case scenario be so few enforcement actions that the enforcement department would have to actually participate in the planning process?

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    Our town turned a profit on fees and fines last year, and the year before. It may not in the coming year, as salaries are going up quite a bit. But the fact that this can happen in a rapidly-growing small town should not be taken as a sign that it is the norm, or even that it is desirable. Practically speaking, you don't want a bad year for building to decimate your department. Philosophically speaking, the folks who are protected - as taxpayers and neighbors - need to ante up, too.

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    At my last job, in the early 90's, they issued a building permit for a 600 million dollar expansion to a mill. The cost of the building permit was $25. Shows how backwards they think there, plus there was no development levy, plus the city ran the services to it, plus the city bought shares in the company.

    If they charged near what they do today ($8/1000) they would have been laughing and the department would still be being funded from that permit. Oddest part was the council member most against the planning department and always upset about our budget was the mayor at the time the by-law setting a maximum permit of $25 was enacted.

    Current job, we are very close to full cost recovery on application fees. We don't do enforcement from our office, so no idea.
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    Our building permits cover the costs for plan review and inspection 90-110%. Our residential building permits are slightly undervalued while the commercial is a little overvalued.

    Our subdivision platting fees generally cover the costs associated with plat review, etc.

    All of the rest of the fees pretty much suck. Oh yeah, and we have a candy-ass muni court judge & prosecuter that don't fine nearly as hard as they should, even if the person is a repeat offender of running a brick & masonry business in a single-family district !

    I'm a big believer in planning being a service to the community, not just the individual applicants. I do not believe that a planning department should be completely self-sufficient.

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    It will never happen...

    Our office is set up in three sub divisions. Community Services, Planning Services and Building Services. Both Maister and I are Zoning and Codes Administrators in the Community Services section, and we bring in almost no money what so ever. What we do get comes from some review fees, but the actual enforcement only costs us money. Even when we write tickets, the money goes to the courts and not the department.
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