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    Originally posted by El Guapo
    "Bturkish delight "- well there go the Milwaukee Kitties! Damnit!
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    office crisis

    Oh Great One -

    I have a question for you that has grave implications for my career happiness, and one that I feel you are uniquely qualified to answer. My boss and I disagree, and I need you to help mediate our dispute. Hunting season is fast approaching, and an age-old question has arisen: What is the best all-around rifle caliber for western big game?

    I believe that the answer is the venerable 30-'06. It is a great round for everything from antelope to whitetails, mule deer to elk. With proper shot placement and a heavy premium bullet, it is perfectly adequate for moose or bear.

    My boss, the City Manager, believes that the only correct answer is the .270 Winchester. He feels that the flatter trajectory makes it a more versatile caliber. I disagree and believe that it is too light for anything bigger than deer.

    Please share your wisdom.

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    Now that is a good question.

    Bull, between the two cartridges you mention I am tempted to go with the 30-06. That bad boy has the knock down power necessary to dispatch game cleanly and humanely. However, I believe that it is dependent upon the hunter’s relationship to recoil that determines the cartridge they should use. We are all built differently and can take different amounts of punishment. If you can handle the recoil of a large bore–flat shooting rifle without flinching then use that cannon. If however, you know that you might flinch when using a big bore then you owe it to the animal you are hunting to use a less powerful cartridge and to get significantly closer before you shoot. If you can’t put ten rounds into a 300 meter 8” bull without flinching on the last few rounds then it is time to go down a notch in power. The smallest load I would use for big game would be 7mm magnum.

    Yours truly shoots a .308 Win 185 grain Nosler boat tail for the big 'uns loaded hot. The recoil is around 26 Newtons. The recoil is so high because the gun is so light. Less than 6 lbs. It is a lightened Enfield Mark 4 Carbine. With significant relief cuts and a special stock. It knocks the lights out of most things bear sized and on down.

    Also practice at different distances - Know your rifle-cartidge combination. Practice will ensure a clean kill in nearly all situations. I hope this helped.

    Shoot what you can – can what you shoot.

    See the recoil chart below

    Cartridge (Wb@MV) Rifle Weight Recoil energy Recoil velocity
    .17 HMR (17 at 2550) 7.5 0.2 n/a
    .22 LR (40 at 1165) 4.0 0.2 n/a
    .22 WMR (40 at 1910) 6.75 0.4 n/a
    .22 Hornet (45 at 2800) 7.5 1.3 3.3
    .222 Rem. (50 at 3200) 7.5 3.0 5.1
    .222 Rem. Mag. (55 at 3200) 8.5 3.3 n/a
    .223 Rem. (55 at 3200) 7.0 4.1 n/a
    .223 Rem. (55 at 3200) 8.0 3.0 5.0
    .223 Rem. (62 at 3025) 7.0 4.4 n/a
    .22-250 Rem. (55 at 3600) 8.5 4.7 6.0
    .220 Swift (55 at 3700) 8.5 4.6 n/a
    5.6x50 Mag. (60 at 3300) 7.5 4.0 5.9
    5.6x52R (70 at 2800) 7.5 3.7 5.7
    5.6x57 RWS (60 at 3800) 7.5 6.9 7.7
    6mm PPC (85 at 2800) 7.5 5.3 n/a
    6mm-223 (75 at 2950) 7.5 4.6 n/a
    .243 Win. (75 at 3400) 8.0 7.9 8.0
    .243 Win. (85 at 3200) 7.5 9.1 n/a
    .243 Win. (95 at 3100) 7.25 9.4 n/a
    .243 Win. (100 at 2960) 7.25 10.2 9.5
    .243 Win. (100 at 2960) 8.0 8.4 n/a
    6mm Rem. (75 at 3500) 8.0 8.1 8.1
    6mm Rem. (85 at 3325) 7.5 10.0 n/a
    6mm Rem. (100 at 3100) 8.0 10.0 9.0
    6mm Rem. (100 at 3100) 9.0 8.9 n/a
    .240 Wby. Mag. (87 at 3500) 7.5 11.7 10.0
    .240 Wby. Mag. (90 at 3500) 8.0 10.8 9.3
    .240 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3400) 9.0 10.6 8.7
    .25-20 Win. (86 at 1750) 6.5 2.0 n/a
    .25-35 Win. (117 at 2300) 7.0 6.3 7.6
    .250 Sav. (87 at 3000) 7.5 7.8 n/a
    .257 Rob. (100 at 3000) 7.5 9.3 8.9
    .257 Rob. (117 at 2650) 8.0 9.0 n/a
    .25-06 Rem. (75 at 3600) 8.5 9.2 n/a
    .25-06 Rem. (100 at 3230) 8.0 11.0 9.4
    .25-06 Rem. (120 at 3000) 8.0 12.5 10.0
    .257 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3600) 9.5 12.9 9.4
    .257 Wby. Mag. (117 at 3335) 9.5 16.1 n/a
    .257 Wby. Mag. (120 at 3200) 9.5 13.6 9.6
    .257 Wby. Mag. (120 at 3300) 9.5 14.7 10.0
    6.5x50 Arisaka (140 at 2600) 8.0 10.0 n/a
    6.5x52 M-C (140 at 2200) 8.0 7.8 n/a
    6.5x54 M-S (140 at 2400) 7.5 11.1 9.7
    6.5x55 Swede (129 at 2750) 7.5 11.9 n/a
    6.5x55 Swede (140 at 2645) 8.0 11.0 9.4
    6.5x57 (129 at 2800) 8.0 12.1 n/a
    6.5x57 (140 at 2700) 8.0 12.5 10.0
    .260 Rem. (120 at 2890) 7.5 10.9 n/a
    .260 Rem. (129 at 2850) 7.5 12.8 n/a
    .260 Rem. (140 at 2750) 7.5 13.6 10.8
    6.5mm Rem. Mag. (120 at 3100) 7.5 16.8 n/a
    6.5mm Rem. Mag. (140 at 2900) 8.0 14.7 10.9
    6.5x68S (120 at 3300) 8.0 17.7 n/a
    6.5x68S (140 at 2990) 8.5 16.8 11.3
    .264 Win. Mag. (129 at 3300) 8.5 18.2 n/a
    .264 Win. Mag. (140 at 3200) 8.5 19.2 12.1
    .270 Win. (130 at 3140) 8.0 16.5 n/a
    .270 Win. (140 at 3000) 8.0 17.1 11.7
    .270 Win. (150 at 2900) 8.0 17.0 11.7
    .270 WSM (130 at 3235) 8.0 17.5 n/a
    .270 WSM (140 at 3135) 8.0 20.5 n/a
    .270 Wby. Mag. (130 at 3300) 9.5 16.0 10.4
    .270 Wby. Mag. (140 at 3300) 8.5 26.6 n/a
    .270 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3245) 9.5 20.9 n/a
    7-30 Waters (120 at 2700) 7.0 10.0 9.6
    7x57 Mauser (139 at 2800) 8.0 14.0 10.6
    7x57 Mauser (160 at 2600) 8.0 14.3 n/a
    7mm-08 Rem. (120 at 3000) 8.0 13.8 n/a
    7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860) 7.5 13.5 10.8
    7mm-08 Rem. (160 at 2700) 8.0 14.8 n/a
    .284 Win (150 at 2860) 7.5 17.4 n/a
    7x64 (140 at 3000) 8.0 16.4 11.5
    7x64 (154 at 2850) 8.0 17.9 n/a
    7x65R (175 at 2600) 8.0 17.1 11.7
    .280 Rem. (140 at 3000) 8.0 17.2 11.8
    .280 Rem. (150 at 2900) 8.0 17.4 11.8
    7mm Rem. SAUM (150 at 3015) 8.0 18.3 n/a
    7mm WSM (140 at 3055) 8.0 20.9 n/a
    7mm WSM (160 at 2795) 8.0 22.4 n/a
    7mm Rem. Mag. (140 at 3150) 8.0 22.7 13.5
    7mm Rem. Mag. (150 at 3100) 8.5 19.8 12.3
    7mm Rem. Mag. (160 at 2950) 8.5 22.6 n/a
    7mm Wby. Mag. (154 at 3200) 9.5 20.6 11.8
    7mm STW (140 at 3400) 8.5 23.2 n/a
    7mm STW (160 at 3185) 8.5 27.9 14.6
    7mm Ultra Mag. (140 at 3425) 8.5 25.3 n/a
    7mm Ultra Mag. (160 at 3200) 8.5 29.4 n/a
    .30 Carbine (110 at 1990) 7.0 3.5 5.7
    .30-30 Win. (150 at 2400) 7.5 10.6 9.5
    .30-30 Win. (170 at 2200) 7.5 11.0 9.7
    .30-40 Krag (180 at 2430) 8.0 16.6 n/a
    .300 Sav. (150 at 2630) 7.5 14.8 n/a
    .300 Sav. (180 at 2350) 7.5 15.2 11.4
    .307 Win. (150 at 2600) 7.5 13.7 10.9
    .307 Win. (180 at 2500) 7.5 18.0 n/a
    7.5x55 Swiss (180 at 2566) 8.0 16.5 n/a
    .308 Win. (150 at 2600) 7.5 14.0 n/a
    .308 Win. (150 at 2800) 7.5 15.9 11.7
    .308 Win. (165 at 2700) 7.5 17.9 n/a
    .308 Win. (180 at 2610) 7.5 18.6 12.6
    .308 Win. (180 at 2610) 8.0 17.5 11.9
    .308 Win. (200 at 2450) 8.0 20.4 n/a
    .30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 7.5 21.7 n/a
    .30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2900) 8.0 17.5 11.9
    .30-06 Spfd. (165 at 2900) 8.0 22.5 n/a
    .30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
    .30-06 Spfd. (220 at 2600) 8.0 25.5 14.3
    .300 Rem. SAUM (165 at 3031) 8.0 22.4 n/a
    .300 WSM (150 at 3290) 7.5 32.5 n/a
    .300 WSM (180 at 2860) 8.0 26.1 n/a
    .300 Norma Mag. (180 at 3000) 8.5 25.9 14.0
    .300 Win. Mag. (150 at 3300) 8.5 27.5 n/a
    .300 Win. Mag. (165 at 3100) 8.5 25.1 13.8
    .300 Win. Mag. (180 at 2920) 8.0 26.5 n/a
    .300 H&H Mag. (180 at 2920) 8.5 23.1 13.2
    .300 Wby. Mag. (180 at 3200) 9.5 27.7 13.7
    .300 Ultra Mag. (180 at 3218) 8.5 34.6 n/a
    .30-378 Wby. Mag. (180 at 3450) 9.75 51.4 n/a
    7.62x39 Soviet (125 at 2350) 7.0 6.9 8.0
    .303 British (150 at 2700) 7.5 14.2 11.0
    .303 British (174 at 2400) 9.0 13.0 9.6
    .303 British (180 at 2420) 8.0 15.4 11.1
    7.65x53 (180 at 2500) 8.0 15.4 n/a
    .32-20 Win. (100 at 1984) 6.5 3.3 n/a
    .32 Spec. (170 at 2200) 7.5 11.5 9.9
    8x57J Mauser (170 at 2360) 8.0 12.9 n/a
    8x57JS Mauser (150 at 2900) 8.0 17.1 11.7
    8x68S (150 at 3300) 8.5 25.3 13.9
    8x68S (220 at 2800) 8.5 30.0 n/a
    8mm Rem. Mag. (200 at 2900) 8.5 32.9 15.8
    .338-06 (200 at 2800) 8.0 23.9 13.9
    .338 Win. Mag. (200 at 3000) 8.5 31.2 15.4
    .338 Win. Mag. (225 at 2800) 9.0 29.7 14.6
    .338 Win. Mag. (250 at 2700) 8.5 33.9 16.0
    .338 Ultra Mag. (250 at 2860) 8.5 43.1 n/a
    .340 Wby. Mag. (250 at 2900) 9.5 37.8 16.0
    .338-378 Wby. Mag. (225 at 3180) 9.75 64.3 n/a
    .348 Win. (200 at 2510) 8.0 23.7 n/a
    .357 Mag. (rifle, 158 at 1700) 7.5 4.5 6.2
    .357 Mag. (rifle, 180 at 1381) 7.5 3.9 n/a
    .35 Rem. (200 at 2050) 7.5 13.5 10.8
    .356 Win. (200 at 2400) 7.5 17.5 n/a
    .358 Win. (200 at 2520) 8.0 21.3 n/a
    .35 Whelen (200 at 2675) 8.0 22.6 13.5
    .35 Whelen (250 at 2400) 8.0 26.1 n/a
    .350 Rem. Mag. (180 at 2900) 7.5 24.5 n/a
    .350 Rem. Mag. (200 at 2700) 8.0 24.2 14.0
    .350 Rem. Mag. (250 at 2480) 8.5 26.8 n/a
    .358 Norma Mag. (250 at 2800) 8.5 35.3 16.4
    9.3x62 (270 at 2550) 8.5 33.3 n/a
    9.3x74R (270 at 2300) 8.5 27.6 n/a
    .375 Win. (220 at 2100) 7.5 15.6 11.6
    .375 H&H Mag. (270 at 2690) 9.0 36.1 16.1
    .375 H&H Mag. (300 at 2550) 9.0 42.3 17.4
    .375 Wby. Mag. (300 at 2700) 9.5 46.2 17.7
    .375 Ultra Mag. (300 at 2800) 8.75 53.2 n/a
    .376 Steyr (270 at 2550) 9.0 30.1 n/a
    .378 Wby. Mag. (300 at 2900) 10.5 52.4 17.9
    .38-55 Win. (255 at 1415) 7.0 9.5 n/a
    .450/.400-3" (400 at 2150) 9.0 51.0 n/a
    .404 Jeffery (400 at 2170) 10.25 41.0 16.1
    .405 Win. (300 at 2115) 8.0 27.6 n/a
    .405 Win. (300 at 2232) 8.0 30.0 n/a
    .416 Rigby (400 at 2350) 10.25 57.2 19.0
    .416 Rem. Mag. (400 at 2400) 10.0 52.9 18.5
    .416 Wby. Mag. (400 at 2700) 10.5 81.6 n/a
    .44-40 Win. (rifle, 200 at 1200) 7.0 3.4 n/a
    .44 Mag. (rifle, 240 at 1760) 7.5 11.2 9.8
    .444 Marlin (240 at 2400) 7.5 23.3 14.2
    .444 Marlin (265 at 2200) 8.5 25.8 n/a
    .444 Marlin (300 at 2100) 8.5 25.8 14.0
    .450 Marlin (350 at 2000) 7.0 38.7 18.9
    .450 Marlin (350 at 2000) 8.0 33.8 16.5
    .45-70 (300 at 1800) 7.5 24.1 14.4
    .45-70 (300 at 1800) 10.0 18.0 10.8
    .45-70 (350 at 2100) 10.0 29.5 13.8
    .45-70 (405 at 1330) 7.5 23.5 n/a
    .45-70 (500 at 1800) 10.0 39.2 15.9
    .45-120 Sharps (405 at 1850) 9.0 33.9 n/a
    .450 N.E. (465 at 2150) 11.0 55.5 18.0
    .458 Win. Mag. (350 at 2470) 10.0 45.2 n/a
    .458 Win. Mag. (500 at 2150) 9.5 65.1 21.0
    .460 Wby. Mag. (500 at 2650) 10.5 99.9 24.8
    .500/.465 N.E. (480 at 2150) 11.0 60.7 n/a
    .470 N.E. (500 at 2150) 11.0 69.3 20.1
    .50-140 Sharps (515 at 1955) 10.0 67.1 n/a
    .500 N.E. (570 at 2150) 12.0 74.5 n/a
    .50 BMG (647 at 2980) 30.0 84.5 13.5
    .50 BMG (750 at 2700) 30.0 88.7 n/a
    .577 N.E. (750 at 2050) 12.0 127.5 n/a
    .600 N.E. (900 at 1950) 12.0 154.0 28.8

    PS Tell your boss the .270 is a girl's round.

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    El Guapo,

    My country is considering going to war with a smaller country on the other side of the world. We did this dance once before and thought we licked 'em, but apparently did not. What are the best weapons and tactics to use to assert our dominance over this upstart, and make sure he does not annoy us in the future?

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    El Guapo,

    Why is fast food always served by slow people?
    Information necessitating a change of design will be conveyed to the designer after and only after the design is complete. (Often called the 'Now They Tell Us' Law) - Fyfe's First Law of Revision

    We don't believe in planners and deciders making the decisions on behalf of Americans. -- George W. Bush , Scranton, PA -- 09/06/2000

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    Good Question

    My country is considering going to war with a smaller country on the other side of the world. We did this dance once before and thought we licked 'em, but apparently did not. What are the best weapons and tactics to use to assert our dominance over this upstart, and make sure he does not annoy us in the future?
    First question - Are you the United Kingdom, France or West Germany. If so my suggestion is to stockpile plenty of white cloth so that the surrender will be clearly expressed and quick.

    Now if you are another country my suggestion is the Special Forces soldier supported by the Marines and the Air Forces. This war should not be a war fought from a distance. This should be a "whites of their eyes" war. The message should be sent that this time it is very personal and the killing needs to be up close and personal. Thus, the bayonet, hand grenade and rifle spring to mind as the ideal weapons to fight your new war with. A war of terror needs to be countered with a war of terror.

    Oh, and napalm is always a lovely touch. Try to work some of that in.

    As far as tactics go, I'll leave that to the generals. I'm an ordnance guy.

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    Originally posted by GeogPlanner
    El Guapo,

    Why is fast food always served by slow people?
    Looking at my list of former jobs?

    Because involuntary euthanasia is illegal in the states.

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    El Guapo - Why do some receptionists talk so fast on the phone, so much so that I can't understand them? My hearing is fine (actually, according to my ex-boyfriend, I have "above average" hearing capabilities. but maybe that only applies to muttering), but when I phone a business, often times I will be unable to understand the receptionist and think I've dialed a wrong number. Is it rude to politely ask someone to enunciate?

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    El Guapo - Why do some receptionists talk so fast on the phone, so much so that I can't understand them? My hearing is fine (actually, according to my ex-boyfriend, I have "above average" hearing capabilities. but maybe that only applies to muttering), but when I phone a business, often times I will be unable to understand the receptionist and think I've dialed a wrong number. Is it rude to politely ask someone to enunciate?

    Kelly,
    That is a problem for just about everyone. So don't feel alone anymore. Sometimes receptionists are not the creative, customer service, people pleasing proactive employees we have come to associate with minimum wage job holders. Many receptionists get receptionist burnout around the third week of employment. Thus they dont put the effort in to enunciation we expect them to.

    It is up to you to lighten their load by becoming retarded when talking to them. Ask the same questions over and over all the while geting dumber and more slack- jawed as the conversation progresses. This will brighten their day and give you a sense of inner well being. Everyone wins.

    I hope this helps. Tell Dad I love him and I am bringing home a 50 lb bag of tatters and some hairspray Labor Day weekend.

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    OMG! You have a potato cannon also?

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    Yeppers

    And it has a laser sight. Many a garden gnome has suffered from the taste of my hollow point tracer loaded tatter sabots.

    Please see this former post:
    http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showt...&threadid=1284

    Death to Despots and Lawn Art!

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    Re: Yeppers

    Originally posted by El Guapo
    And it has a laser sight. Many a garden gnome has suffered from the taste of my hollow point tracer loaded tatter sabots.

    Death to Despots and Lawn Art!
    My friend built one and was firing it at the bathroom door of the bar he owned. I noticed that the noise and recoil was rather weak. So I suggested adding a little oxygen from a nearby mini torch to liven things up. It worked great, the spud created a nice 1 1/2 inch peephole through the door and covered all six surfaces of the ladies room with mashed taters...... good thing it was unoccupied at the time....

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    I too have helped build and design Potato Guns with my father. His uses his to herd the sheep from the back porch or to scare crows and critters from the garden.

    His favourite party trick is to coat the potato with a glow stick and shoot them off at night, kind of like fire works.
    Too lazy to beat myself up for being to lazy to beat myself up for being too lazy to... well you get the point....

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    Tracer Receipe.

    Cut a standard road flare into half inch lenghts. Hot glue 3-4 matchheads on the flare surface. Auger out the back side of the tatter with a corresponding hole. Coat the outside of the flare with hot glue. Shove it into the tatter hole. Let harden. Ram tatter down the bore. Shoot at night. Tatter tracers. 12-15 to a flare.

    We like to use the potato(e) cannon to shoot at jet skiers from the cliffs above as they go by the dock at 40mph and beat it to death. Taint hit one yet, but someday!

    Charlie don't have a tatter patch!

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    Ive never heard of a tater gun

    What the hell is that?
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

    Remember this motto to live by: "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO- HOO what a ride!'"

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    Jezz those would have been fun every summer on grand dads farm down in Bama. All we had were maypops and pine cones to lob at each other.

    we grew lots of taters -moon shine- so id have had a ready stock of taters

    damn it all!
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

    Remember this motto to live by: "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO- HOO what a ride!'"

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    In the spirit of ask El Guapo here's one

    If I use 1/2 copper pipe can I make a radish gun and what caliber would it be compared to the potato gun?
    Too lazy to beat myself up for being to lazy to beat myself up for being too lazy to... well you get the point....

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    Re: Ask El Guapo

    Originally posted by Michael Stumpf
    Ann Landers is dead.

    Who will we turn to?

    ...and now "Dear Abby" has Alzheimers... What is the world coming to?

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    Originally posted by donk
    In the spirit of ask El Guapo here's one

    If I use 1/2 copper pipe can I make a radish gun and what caliber would it be compared to the potato gun?
    Not el Guapo, but 1/2" pipe? Isn't that automatically .50 cal.?
    "The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist." -- Mark Steyn

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    en pause

    So Sorry - El Guapo stepped away to watch a man inspect the house he hopes to buy shortly. That was the best $325 I have ever spent. The man was a great inspector. A credit to his profession.

    As to Copper pipe, watch it. The stuff is not the right temper for peak presures. As a child I used to make little gunpowder cannons out of it. It split on me quite a few times. You are better off with iron pipe than copper - via both performance, and price. Also if you are making a bong - stay away from copper - use iron pipe.

    Oh and El Feo is correct. "Caliber" is always measured in imperial units. in 100ths of an inch -thus .500" is a .50 cal. Bore is measured in metric units i.e.. that is an 81 mm mortar or that main gun is 120mm.

    BTW - If anyone is looking to buy El Guapo a Christmas gift a .50 cal Barrett rifle would be perfect. Hint Hint!

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