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    Cyburbian donk's avatar
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    Protests

    This might actually be a serious enough topic to move to a more appropriate forum.

    Just got back from snapping a few pictures(wish I had a digital camera) of a protest that is going on right now in Toronto. Farmers are driving into the city, using all of the major highways(400 series) with tractors, combines, and sprayers. They are headed to the provincial legislative building and are going to parade around the circle all day. It as been suggested that they might let cows loose on the lawn.

    There are many reasons for this protest

    1) Green Belt Legislation

    2) Closed Border for beef

    3) Tobacco Legislation

    4) Low commodity prices

    5) Nutrient Management Regulations

    6) White Trash/Redneck Quotient (my land factor)

    While for a few things I can understand their issues and the problems they face, on others I have no sympathy. Maybe it is because of where I've lived the past few years.

    Anyways, what are your thoughts on this type of protest?

    I'll post pictures next week, check tomorrows newspapers, I was fighting for position with pros at one spot because the compositon of the photo will be cool, tractors on the Gardiner with teh CN tower in the background.
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    1) Green Belt Legislation
    They fer or a'gin?

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    Quote Originally posted by jordanb
    They fer or a'gin?
    Mainly against - the value of land inside the greenbelt will be greatly reduced if the farmers can't sell it off to developers. Of course, most of the land in the greenbelt is already owned by developers to begin with...

    I may have to take a walk at lunch and see what's what up at the Legislature.

    I don't mind protests - we live in a democracy after all.

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    So is this just an Ontario thing? You would think that for some of those issues, they would want to head down to Ottawa. I mean, how will protesting in Toronto affect the beef ban?

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    It seems like a lot of farmers are really put off by the loss of farmland though. I don't know. I suppose it might be a matter of liking to complain about it but still wanting the ability to cash in on it.

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    Hmmmm.....

    Apparently Canuckistani farmers aren't getting as many kick backs and incentives or significant subsidies to keep them quiet.....or then again, maybe they are (see France), but they are just getting greedy (see also France) Our Farmers apparently just fall into place with what the politicians want, after all isn't that what they're getting paid for.....(or maybe its to produce food.....its so hard to tell now days ) Its kind of sad and funny at the same time to see many of the subsidies and federal $$ in proposed cuts.....talk about getting bushwhacked.....Just like everything else in business, it pays to be the biggest (farming corporation in this case)......
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    Quote Originally posted by jordanb
    It seems like a lot of farmers are really put off by the loss of farmland though. I don't know. I suppose it might be a matter of liking to complain about it but still wanting the ability to cash in on it.

    We have winner. The farmers want protection from encroaching urban development, until such time as they are ready to sell then protection becomes a poor idea. Farmers in the green belt want to be compensated based on the future sales potential of their land for non ag uses

    Here are a few websites,

    Lanark County Land Owners - the wing nut groups, sorry wing nuts
    A few quotes taken directly from their website

    “THIS LAND IS OUR LAND – BACK OFF GOVERNMENT”.

    "Using taxpayer's dollars, our governments support and promote Quebec, Native, Arts, Homosexual, Urban and Multi cultures. However when it comes to the independent, peaceful rural culture in Canada, government support is stifling, suffocating and controlling. "


    http://www.ruralrevolution.com/website/

    Ontario Federation of Agriculture, teh sane ones http://www.ofa.on.ca

    Green Belt Legislation Home page

    http://www.mah.gov.on.ca/userfiles/H...1_16289_1.html
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    Crybabies. I have great respect for the farmers of Canada but they certainly are not coming off very well in this... as someone mentioned above, it seems that they are complaining about the loss of land value due to greenbelt legislation, yet if the legislation were not there you could be damn sure they would be complaining about inadequate urban encroachment protection.

    As for the beef ban, since when did the Ontario provincial government get a Department of Foreign Affairs? Seems like the wrong people to be squaking to. And its very strange thing to protest. I dont think there is a single person in any Canadian gov't that wants to see the ban continue. The ball isn't exactly in our court...

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    Everybody knows that farmers are the backbone of the economy. Well, they were once, anyway.
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    Quote Originally posted by donk}

    Lanark County Land Owners - the wing nut groups, sorry wing nuts
    A few quotes taken directly from their website

    [i
    “THIS LAND IS OUR LAND – BACK OFF GOVERNMENT”.

    "Using taxpayer's dollars, our governments support and promote Quebec, Native, Arts, Homosexual, Urban and Multi cultures. However when it comes to the independent, peaceful rural culture in Canada, government support is stifling, suffocating and controlling. "[/i]

    http://www.ruralrevolution.com/website/

    We have our very new CHALABI, pending the upcoming Anschluss! http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16082

    This sounds like the Texas Republican Party Platform (sorry, Texans )

    I'm sure there could be a role for these folks in the American Protectorate of Canuckistan!

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    Remember:
    No Farmers - No Food













    Deal!

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    Right now the only protests I'm seeing now is one of security guards that were fired from my university.... and they've been protesting for 3 days (at least that's how many day's I've seen them) now.....

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    Quote Originally posted by el Guapo
    Remember:
    No Farmers - No Food....
    Remember:
    Subsidies equal overproduction,
    overproduction equals plumeting price for the commodity,
    low commodity prices mean greater subsidies.

    OR

    Subsidies equal artificial scarcity,
    artificial scarcity equals higher prices (Oil right now),
    higher prices equal a net harmful subsidy to those holding rights in artificial scarcity

    Why do famers corporate or otherwise not have to deal with the same market forces as any other business? Either its a free market or not, there is not much in between. There is no lack of farmland on the North American continenet.
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    The farm protest ended up being a bit of a dud, only 300-400 people and only 100 tractors. They had hoped for 600 tractors and 5000 people. The protest a few weeks ago had 5000. They did suceed in gumming up traffic pretty bad. the interesting thing is that this was government backed civil disobedience, tractors are not permitted on the roads they traveled. They were given a police escort and not required to get parade or wide load permits. Police could have stopped them from accessing the roads, but did not. Hmmm??

    The problem I have with this group is that it seems to be made up of the "rape the land" segment of the rural land users, not the stewards of the land groups.

    As for there being unlimited farm land in NA. In southern ontario there are only a few places with excellent/specialty crop potential, and they are all in the GTA.
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    I have a relative who is a feed corn farmer in central Indiana... he has always driven a Mercedes (new every year)... I have always found that somewhat weird.

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    Quote Originally posted by H
    I have a relative who is a feed corn farmer in central Indiana... he has always driven a Mercedes (new every year)... I have always found that somewhat weird.

    I wonder what he is growing hidden in the corn?

    Or, maybe he is a cult leader a la Children of the Corn?

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    Farmers in Wisconsin USA did this a nmber of years ago. Turns out, for the ENTIRE country, the farther you are from Eau Claire, WI the higher your dairy subsisdy is. Well, no wonder california overtook wisconsin as "the dairy state".

    *notice the california cheese commercials during the super bowl anyone?*

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    Quote Originally posted by BKM
    I wonder what he is growing hidden in the corn?

    Or, maybe he is a cult leader a la Children of the Corn?
    naw.. they are way to 'straight' Hoosier fer either.

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    I'm surprised no one has commented on the fellow in the budget van who decided he would use the farmers protest to douse himself in gasoline and set himself ablaze.

    I'm even more surprised that the local media felt it important enough to broadcast the actual event in all its glory - Christ, anyway, why is the media trying to stoop to Fox News level.

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