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    Cyburbian michaelskis's avatar
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    Greatest American

    There have been those who have been influential and infamous, but this past weekend, I noted a show that will look at the top 50 greatest Americans.

    Who would you say is the Greatest American of all time?

    (here is a list of the top candidates) Rumors have it that Bill Gates won. I would pick Ben Franklin.
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    They had an equivalent on over here last year. I think Churchill won (or it may have been John Lennon, I don't rightly recall)

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    Believe it or not..

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    me.....or course....
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    Cyburbian el Guapo's avatar
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    Hands Down George Washington. Debate over.

    Off-topic:
    Statler You crack me up! Thanks

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    I looked at the list and i was supprised at who was and wasn't on the list.

    Micheal Jackson was and Andrew Johnson, Yogi Berra, and many more. The list just like that of anything of the sort is too heavy on the last part of the 20th centry and the present. I mean what did John Edwards do other then run for president, was runing mate to Kerry, 1 term senator from NC, and ambulance chaser... i mean get real.

    I think it should be....

    Jefferson Smith


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    My vote for Greatest American is for the guy in the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
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    Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Phil and Donald Trump are included? Come on!

    Going with El Guapo here, George Washington is the greatest American to date.
    Though Mark Twain is a personal favorite of mine. Of course I also think Jimmy Buffett should be included, but I am a Parrothead.
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    Quote Originally posted by Gedunker
    My vote for Greatest American is for the guy in the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
    I agree and recind my previous nominee.

    Off-topic: Isn't there more than one unkown soldier in the tomb of the Unkown?

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    I think Abraham Lincoln would be an obvious choice. He ended slavery and fought to keep the country together. Jefferson, Hamilton and maybe even FDR should be up there, too.

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    Mine would have to be Martin Luther King Jr. He helped correct a potentially explosive situation without violence or revolution.

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    Quote Originally posted by Big Owl
    Off-topic:
    : Isn't there more than one unkown soldier in the tomb of the Unkown?


    Off-topic:
    Indeed there are. The correct name (I should have known this) is "Unknowns", as there are soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines/coast guard from World War I, WWII, Korea and Vietnam interred at Arlington. Here's a link from the Army's Military District for Washington, D.C. http://www.mdw.army.mil/fs-a04.htm
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    I would agree with M'skis. Ben Franklin.
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister
    I would agree with M'skis.
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    Why does it have to be just an individual,
    why not a family like the Adams or McCain
    or
    a group - AIB Gedunker - CMH recipients.
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    Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves?
    Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
    Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
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    Washington and Lincoln tie for #1.

    Others from the list that should rank high:
    Thomas Edison
    Albert Einstein
    Ben Franklin
    Henry Ford
    Bill Gates
    MLK
    Both Roosevelts

    Others who many would rank highly and should certainly be in the top 100, but don't deserve to be quite so high as some might think:
    Alexander Hamilton
    Thomas Jefferson
    John Kennedy
    Ronald Reagan

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    Quote Originally posted by Greenescapist
    I think Abraham Lincoln would be an obvious choice.
    No doubt. Debate over.

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    Everyone seems to like Bill Gates so much. Why? Because he built a software empire? Then why one of the Plutocrats of the gilded age like Vanderbilt or Rockefeller, or Carnegie?

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    Why the hell are the Bush's and Clinton's anywhere near this list?

    Franklin
    Washington
    Lincoln
    Douglas
    Roosevelt
    Eisenhower
    King
    Edison
    Ford
    Gates
    Carniege
    Stienbeck
    Thoreau
    Tennessee Williams
    Willie Nelson
    Stern
    Jeremy

    Hell, I don't know?
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    Ben Franklin. A drunken womanizer who basically started the newspaper business in the US, helped write the Declaration of Independence, convinced the French to send troops and bankroll the Colonies fight against the English Crown, and who had many great inventions and also dabbled in city planning. He was a renaissance man and great American if ever there was one.

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    Why in H@## is Michael Moore's or Dr. Phil McGraw's name on the list and not George Marshall's ?
    Oddball
    Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves?
    Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
    Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
    From Kelly's Heroes (1970)


    Are you sure you're not hurt ?
    No. Just some parts wake up faster than others.
    Broke parts take a little longer, though.
    From Electric Horseman (1979)

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    Since it's his birthday, and since we all need more poets, I'll nominate Walt Whitman.
    Edit: Wow, that list is skewed for the late 20th/early 21st centuries, isn't it? Is this a show Discovery does every year, or is this supposed to be the Top 100 Americans Of All Time But Especially Since 1950?
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    Quote Originally posted by biscuit
    Ben Franklin. A drunken womanizer
    I've read parts of his autobiography and although he was a womanizer (and not the least bit ashamed of it) I don't recall that he drank except occasionally. No way was he drunken by the standards of the time.

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    Quote Originally posted by JNA
    Why in H@## is Michael Moore's or Dr. Phil McGraw's name on the list and not George Marshall's ?
    This seems to be a list where a lot of people who have impacted recent history or at least been in the news for the last couple of years are included too. These lists seem to be a popularity contest of some sort.

    Will we remember Dr. Phil and his "impact" on history 50 years from now? I doubt it. His memory will fade at the same rate as his ratings...

    This list kind of reminds me of Rolling Stone magazine when they do a 50 Greatest Guitarists Ever list and include no talent hacks like Jack White... (Z Man runs for cover...)
    You get all squeezed up inside/Like the days were carved in stone/You get all wired up inside/And it's bad to be alone

    You can go out, you can take a ride/And when you get out on your own/You get all smoothed out inside/And it's good to be alone
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    My Take

    0 - This means the don't belong on the list.
    * This means they belong on the top 10 list.

    0 - Ali, Muhammad
    0 - Angelou, Maya
    Anthony, Susan B.
    Armstrong, Lance
    Armstrong, Neil
    Ball, Lucille
    *Bell, Alexander Graham
    0 - Bush, Barbara
    0 - Bush, George H. W.
    0 - Bush, George W.
    0 - Bush, Laura
    Carnegie, Andrew
    0 - Carson, Johnny
    0 - Carter, Jimmy
    Carver, George Washington
    0 - Charles, Ray
    0 - Chavez, Cesar
    0 - Clinton, Bill
    0 - Clinton, Hillary
    0 - Cosby, Bill
    0 - Cruise, Tom
    0 - DeGeneres, Ellen
    0 - Disney, Walt
    Douglass, Frederick
    0 - Earhart, Amelia
    0 - Eastwood, Clint
    *Edison, Thomas Alva
    0 - Edwards, John
    *Einstein, Albert
    Eisenhower, Dwight
    0 - Favre, Brett
    Ford, Henry
    *Franklin, Benjamin
    Gates, Bill
    0 - Gibson, Mel
    0 - Giuliani, Rudolph
    Glenn, John
    0 - Graham, Billy
    Hamilton, Alexander
    0 - Hanks, Tom
    0 - Hefner, Hugh
    0 - Hepburn, Katharine
    0 - Hope, Bob
    Hughes, Howard
    0 - Jackson, Michael
    *Jefferson, Thomas
    Jobs, Steve
    0 - Johnson, Lyndon B.
    0 - Jordan, Michael
    Keller, Helen
    Kennedy, John F.
    Kennedy, Robert F.
    0 - Kennedy Onassis, Jacqueline
    *King Jr., Dr. Martin Luther
    0 - Limbaugh, Rush
    *Lincoln, Abraham
    Lindbergh, Charles
    0 - Lucas, George
    0 - Madonna
    Malcolm X
    0 - McGraw, Dr. Phil
    0 - Monroe, Marilyn
    0 - Moore, Michael
    Murphy, Audie
    0 - Nixon, Richard
    0 - Obama, Barack
    Owens, Jesse
    Parks, Rosa
    Patton, George
    0 - Powell, Colin
    0 - Presley, Elvis
    Reagan, Ronald
    0 - Reeve, Christopher
    0 - Rice, Condoleezza
    Robinson, Jackie
    0 - Roosevelt, Eleanor
    *Roosevelt, Franklin D
    Roosevelt, Theodore
    0 - Ruth, Babe
    0 - Sagan, Carl
    Salk, Jonas
    0 - Schwarzenegger, Arnold
    0 - Sinatra, Frank
    0 - Smith, Joseph
    0 - Spielberg, Steven
    0 - Stewart, Jimmy
    0 - Stewart, Martha
    Tesla, Nikola
    Tillman, Pat
    Truman, Harry
    0 - Trump, Donald
    Tubman, Harriet
    Twain, Mark
    Walton, Sam
    *Washington, George
    0 - Wayne, John
    0 - Winfrey, Oprah
    0 - Woods, Tiger
    Wright, Orville
    Wright, Wilbur
    0 - Yeager, Chuck

    Who is Clearly Missing:
    Kelly - Skunk Works – Johnson
    Edward – Father of the H-Bomb –Teller
    *Meriwether Lewis
    *William Clark
    Omar Bradley
    George Marshall
    Douglas McArthur
    Daniel Webster
    Alexander Hamilton
    *Joshua Chamberlain
    Eliezer ("Elie") Wiesel
    Burt Rutan
    Daniel Boone
    David Crocket
    John Brown
    Sgt. Alvin York

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