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    Malls without teenagers?

    From Indymedia: Having spent a childhood hanging out, working at, loving, and hating local malls, it was with disbelief that this commentator read a piece in the July 13 edition of The Republican (Springfield, MA) that says that the Holyoke Mall at Ingleside has instituted an "MB18" ("Must Be 18") policy on Fridays and Saturdays from 4 p.m. to closing at the facility--after some "success" with similar rules at other malls owned by The Pyramid Companies.

    Any teenagers under 18 during those periods who are not accompanied by an adult, will be targetted by mall cops and escorted from the premises. Mall owners claim that racial profiling will not be involved in such targettings, but interestingly, Pyramid is instituting the policy in the relatively urban Holyoke mall frequented by that city's burgeoning Latino population, but not at the Hampshire Mall in more rural Hadley, MA, which it also owns. The Eastfield Mall in urban Springfield, MA, owned by Mountain Development Corp. of New Jersey, is planning to implement a similar policy.

    http://boston.indymedia.org/feature/...9810/index.php

    This is one of the dangers when private spaces become our only public spaces!

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    Cyburbian illinoisplanner's avatar
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    That is ridiculous. They will regret it..they're kicking themselves in the foot. Generation Y is the richest generation ever. We have money and we know how to use it. We can make any mall or any business go bankrupt overnight if we want to.
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    completel agree with illinois! The mall itself may not not go under, but ceratin stores may well. However, I'm thinking most teens will completely shun this mall - and then the pressure from the stores (the ones who survive selling low rider jeans) will be too great for the mall to continue the policy - it's shot itself in the foot.

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    The simplistic answer to the thread title question is - empty.

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    That's hilarious......yeah argeed shooting themselves in the foot.

    It appears that teenagers are one of the most univerisally suspected groups in Suburbia.
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    I don't like it. I certainly wasn't a teenager worthy of being banned from a mall. The trouble makers are still going to hang out somewhere. At least in the mall there's security and they're not hanging around on street corners - they have to act somewhat civilized.

    As far as spending, they're rationale is probably that the teens are scaring away the adults with the even bigger pocketbooks. (It doesn't take much to scare people away.) But most adults already avoid malls on Friday and Saturday nights.

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    My local mall (Fairlane Town Center, Dearborn) has a strict rule against either too many teenagers bunching together. They also literally send the cops through the mall at six O'clock to kick out anyone who cannot prove they are above 18 who is unsupervised.

    The results? The mall is used more by younger families and older folks who were intimidated by the hordes of kids that this mall would bring. I know I personally shop there a lot more now that the rules were changed. Unfortunately many kids are not being taught how to behave or simple manners or courtesies. Untill this happens, I fully expect this to be more of a normal situation.

    A mall is after all private property. One needs to understand that it is not the same as Main Street; even though in many parts of this country it essentially replaced main street. Mall owners are responding to the needs of both their customers and their renters. If the stores wanted these kids there all the time believe me they would be there all of the time.

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    If Im not mistaken a mall in Greensboro NC tried this, a few court cases sprang up but in the end it lead to MORE adult shoppers. There were rules about how many kids could bunch together, how many could walk side by side (blocking the walkways) etc. The mall cleaned up. New high end stores opend and petty crime went down.

    I know in the Washington area I frequent the malls that are less intresting to the teens for a reason.
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

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    Quote Originally posted by urbanliz
    Mall owners claim that racial profiling will not be involved in such targettings, but interestingly, Pyramid is instituting the policy in the relatively urban Holyoke mall frequented by that city's burgeoning Latino population, but not at the Hampshire Mall in more rural Hadley, MA, which it also owns.
    Sadly, I think your assertion of racial bias is probably correct. Having grown up in the Springfield area, I've witnessed firsthand the shift in the demographics of the region toward the Latino population. The mall owners are probably scared that whites won't shop there anymore if there are too many Puerto Rican kids running around.

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    Quote Originally posted by illinoisplanner
    Generation Y is the richest generation ever. We have money and we know how to use it.
    From your paper routes or fast food jobs? Seriously. Where is this money coming from?

    I never hanged out at a mall when I was a kid, unless it was to see a movie or get back to school clothes at Hills.
    A guy once told me, "Do not have any attachments, do not have anything in your life you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you spot the heat around the corner."


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    Quote Originally posted by Rumpy Tunanator
    From your paper routes or fast food jobs? Seriously. Where is this money coming from?

    I never hanged out at a mall when I was a kid, unless it was to see a movie or get back to school clothes at Hills.
    Ha!!

    This isn't the seventies anymore. Maybe 13 year olds aren't that rich, but nevertheless their parents give them money.

    As far as people over 16, most people I know make at least $7 an hour. And there are plenty of people I know who are already making hefty salaries working construction, electronics, and automotive repair, jobs they've had since they were 15 and 16. Even Target and Best Buy pay decent money if you can get the hours.

    Do my friends hang out at the mall a lot?...no. But do some kids a little bit younger than me making comparatively good money?...yes.
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    Quote Originally posted by illinoisplanner
    Ha!!

    This isn't the seventies anymore. As far as people over 16, most people I know make at least $7 an hour.
    Ha! This isn't the 70's your $7 an hour is not good money. In the 80's I was going to college for $45 a credit hour, I was making $7.50 an hour working in a hospital, gas was a buck a gallon. I had a good used car I bought for $500, and insurance was $350 per year (remember insurance in Detroit is about $2,000 a year for a kid driving a clunker these days).

    Today your $7 an hour has to pay for college at $150-$200 per credit hour, gas that is $2.50 a gallon, Car insurance of $2,000 a year, and other stuff. You have the added pressure of having to spend $30 for distressed ambercombie and fitch t-shirts, $70 for jeans that look used and hang down off yo ass, not to mention that the dollar movie nights on mondays and tuesdays are long history and replaced by $7.50-$9 per show.

    You're kidding yourself if you think $10,000 a year part time is a lot of money.

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    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner
    Ha! This isn't the 70's your $7 an hour is not good money. In the 80's I was going to college for $45 a credit hour, I was making $7.50 an hour working in a hospital, gas was a buck a gallon. I had a good used car I bought for $500, and insurance was $350 per year (remember insurance in Detroit is about $2,000 a year for a kid driving a clunker these days).

    Today your $7 an hour has to pay for college at $150-$200 per credit hour, gas that is $2.50 a gallon, Car insurance of $2,000 a year, and other stuff. You have the added pressure of having to spend $30 for distressed ambercombie and fitch t-shirts, $70 for jeans that look used and hang down off yo ass, not to mention that the dollar movie nights on mondays and tuesdays are long history and replaced by $7.50-$9 per show.

    You're kidding yourself if you think $10,000 a year part time is a lot of money.
    When I say $7.00, I mean that as the bare minimum. Most people I know are pretty well beyond that, and most are working full-time if they're not full-time students or going into the military.
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    Our mall here just instituted a 16 and younger policy. There sales on Friday and Saturday dropped 25%. The theatre had a fit and they are allowed in the area of the theatre.

    They claimed it was because of to much product theft.... Right my 13 year old is going to steal way more than a 16 or 17 year old...I really don't know what they were thinking.

    It did cause us a bit of a problem the other night cause the kids had money to spend and we got a late start and they had to be out of there by 6. Although they could be in there with us, why would I want to shop with them, I like for them to have the independence to roam freely and shop at their speed not mine.

    And by the way they do have alot of money these days. Our girls worked all summer with their dad at the school cleaning out and re programing computers. So we paid them for that work.
    It is all a matter of perspective!!!

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    And by the way they do have alot of money these days. Our girls worked all summer with their dad at the school cleaning out and re programing computers. So we paid them for that work.
    Ah, nepotism! Its a wonderful thing for those who can benefit from it!

    Where DO these kids get all their money? The Six Flags amusement park that I worked at for two summers while in college is now largely staffed by Eastern Europeans that they bring over for the summer and house on-site.

    Here's to the most materialistic generation ever! Wahoo.
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    It's funny that that Boston Indymedia thread is being mentioned here, since if you read the thread, you can see some of my posts on there from a few weeks back.

    BTW, I'm a member of Generation Y, and plenty of Generation Y young adults around my age are making decent money ($40-50k/year and up). $7 an hour? Maybe back when we were 17... not so much now. Now of course, there are plenty of younger Gen-Y folks who are still in high school, but many of them probably still live at home and whatever money they make at their retail jobs is basically disposable income.

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    Quote Originally posted by MacheteJames
    BTW, I'm a member of Generation Y, and plenty of Generation Y young adults around my age are making decent money ($40-50k/year and up)..
    Ah. The last "middle class" generation. Temporarily.



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    We don't seem to have the teenager problem at our local mall. It's more the, um, "stout" families of 6 with strollers who walk abnormally slow, and spread out and clog the aisles... Or the yuppie moms who have to circle their strollers like a wagon train for a long chat.

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