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    List of America's 237 most liberal and most conservative cities

    From the Bay Area Center for Voting Research:
    http://www.votingresearch.org/index.html

    Click on underlined Liberal or Conservative for lists.
    Beginning of their Press Release:

    NEW STUDY RANKS AMERICA’S MOST LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE CITIES

    Detroit tops liberal list; Provo, UT most conservative

    BERKELEY, CA – A new nationwide study released today by the nonpartisan Bay Area Center for Voting Research (BACVR) ranks the political leanings of every American city and finds that Detroit, Michigan is the most liberal and Provo, Utah the most conservative.


    Found through AP Wire Article from the Indy Star:
    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...14/1006/NEWS01
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    Strange that the "most conservative" cities are almost exclusively in the Sun Belt, not the Deep South where I would have expected. This is likely due to the high number of African-Americans in the South and older retirees in the Sun Belt. Also, the Cuban-Americans in Hialeah, FL tilt the balance there. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally posted by jmello
    Strange that the "most conservative" cities are almost exclusively in the Sun Belt, not the Deep South where I would have expected. This is likely due to the high number of African-Americans in the South and older retirees in the Sun Belt. Also, the Cuban-Americans in Hialeah, FL tilt the balance there. Interesting.
    You cannot make a blanket statement like that. There are pockets of blue and red in just about every state. Atlanta proper (City of Atlanta, Decatur, and DeKalb County) are very liberal while the outer suburbs are very conservative. It is difficult to make a blanket statement that this is a conservative or liberal area. The definitions of these two terms are relative as well. A conservative in the Northeast may be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. In the south that is called a liberal. We need get beyond easy generalizations of these topics and delve deeper into specifics.

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    Quote Originally posted by DRJ
    You cannot make a blanket statement like that.
    Actually, I can make whatever type of statement I choose, as long as it is within the bounds of this board's rules. However in this case, I was not generalizing. I was referring to the specific list posted in THIS thread. This study and list appear to be concerned with the central cities, not their respective suburbs or states.

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    Patently ridiculous. Way too much weight given to black voters. “Liberal” and “votes democratic” are not synonyms.

    Gary more liberal than San Francisco and New York? Please.

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    Moderator note:
    Okay, let's not get personal here. DRJ - jmello is correct in that his response was relevant in terms of the list being discussed. jmello - you need to relax a bit, I didn't see DRJ's response as the vicious personal attack you seem to think it is.

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    Dallas listed as more liberal than Austin???

    These lists are fun, but I really don't know how you can rank liberal cities vs. conservative cities. It's like deciding where the best place to live is.

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    I think we should take a look back at the 2004 election thread that showed the results by county. In, heavily Democratic states like California only a small percentage of the land area voted Democratic, while the majority of the land voted Republican.
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    Quote Originally posted by Suburb Repairman
    Dallas listed as more liberal than Austin???
    Yeah, when I saw that I almost spit coffee all over my keyboard! Anyone who is familiar with Dallas and Austin knows this is very, very wrong.

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    Doesn't make sense to me, a list of 237?

    You can make everyone happy then. I saw cities that were on both lists... Lakewood, Colorado; Hialeah, FL? Come on, you can't be both.
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    Look at me, I'm a liberal! This is highly amusing. While Detroit is entrenched in Democratic politics, it is hardly a liberal bastion. There is really not that much the separates the Dems from the Republicans in our state, both lean very much on family values, hunters rights, pro-manufacturing, and I doubt that Detroit would pass as a gay/hippie friendly city in anyones views (a true litmus test of liberalism).

    As divisive as politicos make race in this region, I would suspect that would hinder us from being liberal as well. But make no mistake about it, we're all about FDR in Detroit and exemplify the Dems that no longer exist elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner
    While Detroit is entrenched in Democratic politics, it is hardly a liberal bastion. There is really not that much the separates the Dems from the Republicans in our state, both lean very much on family values, hunters rights, pro-manufacturing, and I doubt that Detroit would pass as a gay/hippie friendly city in anyones views (a true litmus test of liberalism).

    Cambridge, MA is only # 8? I would argue that it's MUCH more liberal than Detroit. What is their methodology? They’ve obviously never been to Cambridge (or seen the “02138 – America’s most liberal zip code” T-shirts).

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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN
    Doesn't make sense to me, a list of 237?

    You can make everyone happy then. I saw cities that were on both lists... Lakewood, Colorado; Hialeah, FL? Come on, you can't be both.
    I think both lists are the same cities, just reversed in order. I believe it is 237 of the largest cities in the nation (probably cut off at some pop. point).

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    Quote Originally posted by PlanBoston
    Cambridge, MA is only # 8? I would argue that it's MUCH more liberal than Detroit. What is their methodology? They’ve obviously never been to Cambridge (or seen the “02138 – America’s most liberal zip code” T-shirts).
    I think they are usiing liberal as codespeak for minorities? I would think Ann Arbor would be the liberalist place in Michigan, but alas its mostly white.

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    Yay for Cambridge.. number 8 isn't bad. I knew I'd like living there.

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    Quote Originally posted by jmello
    Actually, I can make whatever type of statement I choose, as long as it is within the bounds of this board's rules. However in this case, I was not generalizing. I was referring to the specific list posted in THIS thread. This study and list appear to be concerned with the central cities, not their respective suburbs or states.
    I did not mean to say that this was against board rules. I meant that the dissecting of the topic was difficult since the are conservative and liberal elements in every city. Even San Francisco, arguable one of the more liberal cities, has a more conservative element to it in and around its financial district.

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    With Detroit, Gary and Flint on the most liberal cities list, it appears that this group formulated it's statistics in such a way as to maybe show that liberalism is responsible for urban decay. Ya think?

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    The 'Bay Area Center for Voting Research' rated New York City, at #21. Ridiculous...

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    Quote Originally posted by Cirrus
    Patently ridiculous. Way too much weight given to black voters. “Liberal” and “votes democratic” are not synonyms.
    I couldn't agree more. The presumption that political party choice is an absolute reflection of ideology is bogus. Such an approach completely ignores regional political differences.
    Should we assume Republicans in California are equally conservative as Republicans in Texas because they vote in the same percentages? And the idea that blacks vote democratic because they are very liberal is b.s. too. Party politics, especially locally, are about way more than ideology. And when we're talking about racial politics we're really not talking about political views in any meaningful way.

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    There may be some insights to be gleaned from this survey, but I would say it is significantly flawed at best.

    Local talk radio personality Thom Hartmann talked about it this morning. He said he doesn't think it's very meaningful because it never says what questions were asked. Liberal is a pretty generic term, highly open to interpretation. People's professed beliefs do not always match up to their actual way of life; i.e. "Walk their talk".
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    Quote Originally posted by the north omaha star
    I think we should take a look back at the 2004 election thread that showed the results by county. In, heavily Democratic states like California only a small percentage of the land area voted Democratic, while the majority of the land voted Republican.
    The LAND voted??????
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    Quote Originally posted by NDL
    The 'Bay Area Center for Voting Research' rated New York City, at #21. Ridiculous...
    Speaking of NYC at #21, I saw this in Newsweek yesterday:

    "New York has Staten Island, and half of Queens, and cabdrivers."
    --National pollster John Zogby, explaining why New York City was ranked only the country's 21st-most-liberal city.
    Last edited by Bubba; 16 Aug 2005 at 9:35 AM.

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    Surprised that Colorado Springs isn't ranked higher. I can't imagine a place more right-wing neo-conserative than that.

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    So people who vote for Kerry are liberals and people who voted for Bush are conservatives?

    Edit: Sorry, I didn't see that cirrus had already made this point.

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    Quote Originally posted by jresta
    The LAND voted??????
    Well, you know that THE LAND, being created by GAWWWWWD, is inherently going to vote for God's Own Party

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