In an all-out, no-holds barred (but weapon-free) fight between a gang of 100 planners and 100 architects, who would win?
In an all-out, no-holds barred (but weapon-free) fight between a gang of 100 planners and 100 architects, who would win?
Planners, because they'd consider the whole community and not just the one, individual architect that they're trying to smack down.
PS: This is going to become a post-pad fest faster than you can say "minimum post size."
It would never come to a fight: either the wimpy architects would see the folly and run, or we planners would build consensus against it.
Of course, if Budgie, Rumpy eG and RJ are on our side, there'd be architect butt strewn all over the place
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I'm gonna' wanan' see reasons why one group would be victoriious over the others, though. One-word answers ... nope.Originally posted by jordanb
Architects would easily win, because the Architect team would covert their black wire rim eyeglasses into weapons. Plus, the Architects hermetic compounds of group think would form impregnable bastions of architectural theory force fields. Remember-the Borg were almost unstoppable in Star Trek
The Planners' weapons of zoning codes are powerful, but easily defeated by the architects' defense mechanisms of withering scorn, which would demolish the "bourgeoise" values of the planners.
Architects would spend time devising new and innovative ways to engage in battle. This will end up taking much more time and costing much more than they originally expected. Of course cost overruns will limit the true number of architects that could battle unless extra funding was supplied.
Planners would organize and spend up to 2 years perfecting their battle plan. The plan is largely dependent on the will of those planners to implement it, so obviously there will be a lot of heart, and not as much committment. I expect heavy losses on both sides as the new battle methods devised by the architects will be considered "ugly, disgusting and completely unlike any battle before". The planners will effectivly "bulldoze" many architects, and the plans will be unwaivering.
Ultimately, the planners will win because we all know that without planning, architecture would just be the manifistation of egos and really contribute nothing to the goals of the whole.
I'm bigger than almost every architect that I know...so it would be the planners of course!
and boiker has it right...the architects would spend way too much devising new battle implements that may not work and then that would surely cause factions within the architect's side anyway.
nothing would happen.....because everyone knows it's the politicians that actually do the damage.
I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?
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We'll have the element of surprise when we swarm from our desk forts and slap them silly with our comp plans.
Of course planners would win. The public participation process has taught us how to fight dirty
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I think the planners would win. Architects are incredibly egotistical and would likely not want to work together to defeat the 100 planners. Planners on the other hand, often work with other planners and can often come to a consensus.
My sense is there are proportionately more womyn in planning than in architecture. If the same proportion were part of the 100, the planners would win. Womyn are nasty fighters…kicking, scratching, beoytch slapping, spitting, cussing…not a pretty sight.
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DING! DING! DING! Yep, this is the best answer so far! It's got my vote.
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What I really want to see is a fight between 100 architects and 100 engineers. Now these folks have real animosity toward each other, a real grudge-fest! Talk about mixing oil with water.
The Planners would win because they would hire 100 conslutants to help.
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Architects would kickass...
In cahoots with developers, they'd defend the rear flanks with their urban planning sector creating a maze of one way streets redirecting and confusing the enemy... treat their wounded by designing cutting-edge medical facilties with their healthcare sector... the environmental graphics division would begin a massive propoganda campaign of cleverly design propoganda signage.... and should all else fail, the retail-entertainment sector will redesign the battlefield into one giant lifestyle-center called Shoppingtown.
Planners-we're more battle hardened from dealing with citizens, lawyers, politicians, realtors, and developers. Plus, most of us started out in planner boot camp-code enforcement. The Marines ain't got nothing on us.
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I gotta go with the architects, mostly because the planners would be too busy trying to build consensus on the method of attack.
But don't discount the backstabbing by the architects, which might be the planner's saving grace. There will be at least a dozen egomaniacal architects who will be the target of envy from the other architects, and the envious architects will initiate some serious infighting. If the planners can exploit that weakness -- in sufficient time -- they can pull it off.
Top 10 reasons Planners will win:
10) We have practice fighting about politics, we can take on anyone!
9) Two words... El Guapo!
8) Planners will see to it that the property gets re-zoned for “recreation use only”
7) Can you say From Based Codes?
6) Much like engineers, the architects would be measuring the angles in the room
5) The planners would create instantaneous unity by tossing Andres Dawney into the middle of the room to beat his ‘New Urbanist’ A$$
4) When was the last time you saw a bunch of architects at a leafest?
3) The architects would not be able to read their attack plans because it looks like kindergartner got a hold of the crayons.
2) The architects will get scared mid way through the site plan review
and the number one reason that planners would win the fight.
We told Stan that the Architects drank all the coffee!
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The Planners would win because the APA's worship of Red China would finally pay off as the 1.2 billion Chinese would come to our aide and crush the capitalist pig architects!!!
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Planner would win because they'd re-zone the A-1 plots Architects use for growing weed and then teh architects will lose their "inspiration" and die. Also Planners will exclude artsy fartsy stores and Starbucks so there will be no place for architects.
A good fight would be geographers against........ themselves...
The landscape architects and engineers would notice the fight and seize the opportunity to take control. They re-route a river and the entire battlefield is turned into the slough of despond. The architects and planners all die slow deaths mired in the muck. But once the landscape architects and engineers realize they have to work together, their ideological differences rise up again. Its logic vs. passion, libido vs. credo, rationalism vs.romaticism. This fight continues for years while buildings crumble and local economies decline. Gradually places become unlivable. Then some of them decide to go back to school to become planners and architects.
Planners, because the architects would be too distracted admiring their self-praising monuments.
Before the battle would even begin the Planners would lose half their members, because they "had to work the front desk" on battle day. The remaining Planners would loudly proclaim, "Let's do an Octagon Laefest!", and those that imbibe would head on down the road, on bicycles of course, to the local bar.
The remaining three (3) Planners would prepare for the battle.
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About half of the Architects would get lost in submitting numerous proposals and never make it to The Octagon. The remaining Architects would prepare for the battle.
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A sharp Planner (of the remaining "Fighting Planners") would sneak into the Architect's Glass Box Skyscraper and re-name the 12th floor elevator sign "13". Upon seeing this the Architects would die of heart attacks.
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Draw: Architects would get weak-kneed after realizing they'd been an hour without a super mocaha frappa crappa latte gooper thinger from Starbucks, and the Planners would run off for a laefest after realizing they were sober.
Afterwords, reports would be written and sent to committee.
Ding, ding, I like this one!!!
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