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    Best places in Denver to live?

    Hey everyone -

    I came across this forum and thought all of you may be able to give me a good idea as to where the best place within the Denver area to live would be.

    I just got a new job in Denver and will have an office in Thornton and one in the Tech center. I have made one trip with my wife to look at homes and have found both Broomfield and Parker to be great places, but not being familiar with Denver, we were wondering if there are any more.

    We were told to look in the Cherry Creek area but the prices are a little steep for us, at this point.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks, so much.

    Jason

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    Depends....

    What do you want? No commute, short, med. or long?? Price Range?
    $ cheap to $$$$$ Damn, you want how much!
    Ideas: (T-Rex still making I-25 a nightmare in the South??)

    Highlands Neighborhood of Denver (38th Ave. between I-25 and Federal north a dozen blocks.....$$$$

    Arvada....a good all around choice, nice places and parks.....$$-$$$

    Aurora..... but $

    Brighton...Long drive but....a very neat little town with lots of housing choices....$-$$$

    Golden....anywhere.....$$$$

    Thornton for that suburban appeal and some nice trails/parks....$$

    Broomfield.....yuppie-ville USA.....$$$

    Northglenn- basic accomodations....$$

    North Denver between I-25 and I-270 including unincorporated Adams and Commerce City....basic, but trying to move up last I heard.....$

    Parker.....TO HELL WITH THAT TRAFFIC !! $$$

    Cherry Creek...yeah, if I won the lottery....$$$$$+

    Centennial....newest city....not bad......$$

    Highlands Ranch.....This will remind you of home (California and Las Vegas ) $$-$$$

    Boulder.......snicker......BWA ha ha ha ha $$$$$$+.......next......

    Downtown Denver Lofts- $$$$$+ but how cool would that be

    Jefferson County= expensive
    Adams County= less so
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    Ok, based on that info -

    We are looking to spend no more than $350K on a house. We have a 4 year old little girl, and locations in regard to schools are most important.

    I will probably spend 70% of my office time in Thornton - the commute there is secondary to schools, but still a consideration, nonetheless.

    My wife really, really, really liked one of the homes in Parker, but it seemed just a tad bit too off the beaten path. We drove the construction on I-25 and it didn't seem THAT bad, but it was also about 2:30 in the afternoon. How bad does the traffic generally get.

    I lived in Los Angeles, half my life, so the term "heavy traffic" can be relative.

    I've heard people mention Highlands Ranch, but we didn't have a chance to really look there.

    We drove through Cherry Creek, but I agree about the prices - whoa, doggie! Very nice, though. Same with the Wash Park area.

    So, based on what we want to spend, and school district considerations, can you narrow that awesome list you just made? My wife really got a kick out of it, by the way.

    Thanks.

    Jason

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    others....

    Ok, based on the new information:

    Wheat Ridge: Anywhere between 44th Ave and Colfax (includes part of Lakewood) from Golden to Sheridan Blvd including Edgewater area maybe......The further west you go, the better the schools.....Check the local school district web sites for info....$$-$$$ now.......I can't believe I left Wheat Ridge off my other list......better for a family then Arvada......

    Anyplace along 38th Avenue within 5 blocks either side from Downtown Denver to Wheat Ridge, including the above area......$$-$$$

    I like the west part of town, but could never afford to live there after leaving high school (Wheat Ridge High School).....

    If your from LA, make a change and cut down on that drive....

    I've lived in Thornton and it was ok for a suburb....decent trail connections, good schools in Adams 5 star....north Thornton is where the $$ increase and south Thornton is older and partly in another school district that's not as good.....

    Westminster is ok but getting VERY expensive for family's $$$-$$$$....The beauty contest that they run in that city drives the prices through the ceiling.....They decided years ago that they had their fair share of affordable housing and we're never going to look back....except for the token condo units ($1500+ month!!)

    Commerce City- Much improved over the years, but still has a decided industrial character to the place. Housing can be cheap $-$$, but there isn't much of a sense of place anywhere. Mostly newer subdivsions along Hwy 85 with limited trails. The Brighton School district is average at best (at least it was several years ago) There are individual schools that are good, but they are directly related to the economic status around them......The downtown area of Brighton is cool and has some sense of place with a Downtown Development Authority and some activity....there is a decent elementary in the town, but check the boundaries before buying anything.....Middle schools almost always aren't rated high.....

    Brighton- Eastern subdivisions....some of these areas may be worth exploring with new urbanist hints in a suburban setting....rear alley access, mini-parks with great trail access....and as a "freestanding" city, Brighton has a lot going for it.....although they've had their fair share of mistakes in the past.....like everyone...

    LA commutes:

    Evergreen off of Hwy 285 1 hour+ each way to Thornton
    Bailey- Mountain Living in rural setting, 350k will get you 2-3 acres wooded or for horses on either dirt roads or paved, 2200sf newer home with a view of wilderness and chance of house burning down every 3-5 years 1.5+ hours each way to Thornton depending on weather and rock slides also off Hwy 285....oh and the elementary school is good, but the middle and high schools SUCK!!!

    Longmont- My wife used to work for the "man" and everyone in this city seems to have a warrant out for their arrest......

    Loveland- (Zman and Prana's turf) I like the City, but its a long long way north....plus, their cops tend to shoot un-armed people in their own homes or while trying to escape a kidnap situation in restaurant (many years ago now)

    Erie-----Boulder County......neat burg....changing quickly.....

    Southern Weld County.....YEEEEEE HAAWWW......Frederick, Johnstown.....Sprawl at its most UGLY......These are the big subdivisions without much going for them, except that they are relatively cheap and you can get your piece of the american dream....I guess.......zman will be all over me by now....
    Anything goes in Southern Weld County, from the manufactured homes on leased lots....to large estate lots that eat up the country side.......but hey, at least you'll know that you most likely will be allowed to have hogs and chickens if that's what you like.....
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    Wow - great info

    This really helps - thanks!

    You called Broomfield Yuppieville, but, afterall, I'm pretty much a yuppie. What do you think, in general, about that burb?

    Jason

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    I think the Denver area people are much more qualified then I am, but I have always liked the area around DU and the area just east of downtown. I don't know anything about the schools. I have been in rush hour traffic in Denver and it basically sucks, not as bad as LA, but you will spend more time in traffic than anyone should.

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    Quote Originally posted by Jason
    You called Broomfield Yuppieville, but, afterall, I'm pretty much a yuppie.
    Jason
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    Welcome to Cyburbia. Good luck in your Denver search. Looks like you are getting some good advice.

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    You listened to a former North Denver guy about this?

    If you have 350K and want good schools head to Centennial. Nice established part of town, with about everything you could want there. Cherry Creek School District is rated the best public schools in Colorado (molded this Planner into the genius he is today).

    Aurora sucks, Parker is okay, but Douglas county schools lack a lot.

    Don't go to North or West Denver, whatever you do. South end is the place to be, especially if you work in the Tech Center.

    Let's analyize T.O. for a sec.
    [QUOTE=The One]What do you want? No commute, short, med. or long?? Price Range?
    $ cheap to $$$$$ Damn, you want how much!
    Ideas: (T-Rex still making I-25 a nightmare in the South??)

    Highlands Neighborhood of Denver (38th Ave. between I-25 and Federal north a dozen blocks.....$$$$
    Not too Framiliar, isn't that where the old Elitch Gardens was, TO?

    Arvada....a good all around choice, nice places and parks.....$$-$$$
    Too far north, although fairly decent.

    Aurora..... but $
    (Drive AWAY from here...)

    Brighton...Long drive but....a very neat little town with lots of housing choices....$-$$$
    Lots of housing choices? What choices? Modular, Mobile, Formerly used for drugs, Pitbull sanctuary, along a busy US Hwy 85? I know Todd Helton lives out there, but he's from Tennessee...EAST Tennessee

    Golden....anywhere.....$$$$
    Smells like beer, I've only met strange folks from there...

    Thornton for that suburban appeal and some nice trails/parks....$$
    NORTH! (Sorry TO, I know you lived there, but there is just something about the North suburbs)

    Broomfield.....yuppie-ville USA.....$$$
    Yuppies? Where? Oh, by the mall. Nothing but North Siders, trying to be south siders... The jury is still out for this planner...

    Northglenn- basic accomodations....$$
    File just above Aurora...

    North Denver between I-25 and I-270 including unincorporated Adams and Commerce City....basic, but trying to move up last I heard.....$
    Where, betwixt the oil refinery, power plant, or the dog chow factory? Heck, the Denver Coluseum still have their Fallout Shelter signs up. Sometimes smells worse than Greeley..

    Parker.....TO HELL WITH THAT TRAFFIC !! $$$
    Finally we agree...

    Cherry Creek...yeah, if I won the lottery....$$$$$+
    Agree again, although an awesome part of my City.

    Centennial....newest city....not bad......$$
    I'm going to add another $ or $$ to your determination. Like I said above a very nice community for the money you wish to spend. Heck, you could even afford decency in Greenwood Village. Send your kids to Cherry Creek High School (We Bruins aren't bad as the rest of the state says we are... )

    Highlands Ranch.....This will remind you of home (California and Las Vegas ) $$-$$$
    Stay away. TOO much like Cali or Vegas. Traffic sux too.

    Boulder.......snicker......BWA ha ha ha ha $$$$$$+.......next......
    Agreed, I heard it is a good place for Herbal Remedies though...

    Downtown Denver Lofts- $$$$$+ but how cool would that be
    Agreed
    Jefferson County= expensive
    Yawn...

    Adams County= less so
    Scary...

    Oh and don't take this personal TO. Just my opinion. Thanks for the research.

    We're still buds right?

    Jason, PM me and I'll give you some good Zip Codes for a realtor.com search... you'll thank me...
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    Like cololi - The DU area is pretty nice, because that where I lived when I was at UCD.
    I agree w/ the current opinions about listed locations.
    Another consideration - opposite traffic commute, my example DU out to Golden
    (Jeffco - before the Taj Mahal )

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    If you consider yourself into yuppie interests, I'd look into Highlands Ranch pretty seriously. It looks and feels like California -- it's built by the Mission Viejo company, so it has a lot of Mission Viejo feel to it. But if you're going to be working in Thornton.. traffic would be bad. I'd say 60-90 minutes each way for rush hour commutes -- at least. Broomfield would be a good choice as well, in my opinion -- close to the mountains, Boulder (which is a unique town, regardless of your political bias, in my opinion), and reasonably close to Thornton.

    Regarding Douglas County schools.. I went to school part of my years in Douglas County -- the best education I ever got at any level in my opinion. Not sure if it's changed or not -- we had overcrowding even back then, but the quality of teachers was excellent!

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    Keep it comin'

    Thanks for all of this info. It's great to get all the different perspectives.

    zmanPLAN - I sent you a PM.

    Jason

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    Ditto

    Jason:

    I'd dovetail on ZMan's & TO's astute observations here and if you want to be close to the Tech Center and want to look for more "cost effective" housing options, try going further west in Centennial.

    That's where I'm at - the housing's older (50's -60's era subdivisions) but holding up well and served by the excellent Littleton Public School system. The area has good access to public transportation, parks, trails (the Highline Canal) and loads of shopping (if you like that sort of thing.)

    Good Luck!

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    Are you looking to buy or rent?

    If you sold a house in Vegas, you've probably got enough to buy the equivalent in Denver's flat but still inflated market - at least in the suburbs.

    Thornton City Hall is just off of I-25, and easy to get to, but I'd avoid anything too far south. same thing with going too far north; traffic in the Tech Center area is rough during rush hour.

    What are you loking for? Suburban? Urban? I lived in the West Highlands/Berkeley neighborhood in northwest Denver during my tenure there. It's really the closest old urban neighborhood to Thornton. While it's cheaper than other gentrified and up-and-coming neighborhoods in the city, you don't get a lot for your money; look at spending at least $250 a square foot there. Beats $500K for a 1,000 square foot bungalow in Washington Park, though.

    Here's my old street in NW Denver. See those little houses? They're now selling in the low-to-mid $200s.



    In the 'burbs, generally home prices are lower in the northeast (Commerce City, Brighton, Weld County exurbs). Lots of middle-end development popping up on cheap land there, but it's not really what I would call liveable; the retail and amenities are still mostly low-end. Vegas equivalent - probably North LV.

    Aurora has an undeserved bad reputation, IMHO. It's one of the most racially integrated communities in the United States. Housing there tends to be quite reasonably priced by Denver standards.. The southern half of the city is in the Cherry Creek School District - arguably the best in the state. The planning there is textbook perfect -- from a 1970s perspective, though. Lots of linear parks, lots of landscaping, very striict architectural and signage control, retail in clusters at section line roads, prerry fence canyons, but sterile as hell - at least south of 6th. North of 6th is rough by Denver standards, but by no means is it slum-like; it's just tired 1950s lower middle to middle income suburbia. Think of it as beign like a somewhat older version of Henderson, but with short signs and no casinos.

    The cities along US 36 - Westminster, Broomfield, Louisville, Superior and so on -- are like Aurora, but they're newer, more middle to upper-middle class, and they've got better reputations. They're also quite expensive. A Vegas equivalent would probably be Summerlin.

    Here's a couple of possibilities, IMHO - Arvada (a middle to upper middle income suburb - hell, EVERY suburb of Denver outside of the northeast is middle-to-upper middle income) has an historic village center and a variety of housing types and ages. Golden has a great downtown, and there's also a variety of housing ranging from village Victorians to tract mansions in hillside subdivisions. As with most of the Denver area, expect suburban-style commercial areas in Arvada and Golden to have lots of landscaping, short signs, water features, four-sided design, and so on. Arvada is a bit cheaper than Golden.

    Another possibility - Stapleton Village, the new urban community being developed on the former Stapleton Airport site.

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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN
    You listened to a former North Denver guy about this?

    Oh and don't take this personal TO. Just my opinion. Thanks for the research.

    We're still buds right?
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    Zman, are you kidding ....great comments ...between you and me and the others, Jason will be able to figure it out.

    Next time your in Brighton, visit the new development on the east side of town, all the way out to I-76 and see whats new.....The Hwy 85 corridor would freak anyone out

    Yes, that area North of 32nd Avenue and south of 44th Avenue between I-25 and Sheridan Blvd is worth a look (like Dan said) The old Elitch Gardens amusement park was developed by some of the people that are doing work in Stapleton and at when finished cost a pretty penny $$$$ The Highland shops along 32nd Ave. are trendy and make the place have place

    After reading all of this, I still think Wheat Ridge-Highlands Neighborhood of Denver would be a great place to look

    Zman- I'll be in Colorado at the end of the year....mini laefest with prana and miles maybe??? pm me.....
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    Stay south, friend, stay south. The light rail will be running down there soon. The lighr rail has stops at both Pepsi Center (Avs and Nuggets games) and Mile High (for the venerable Broncos!).

    HEck, laefest in CO? Let's invite Jason too. We'll then show how where to drink in CO.
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    Sounds like Denver is good, all around...

    All this feedback is fantastic, and I must say that all the people on this forum are quite friendly.

    It's great to see that there are so many great areas to live. I must say it's a relief that people aren't saying "Why the heck would you want to move here!?" That actually happened to me when I moved to Michigan, right out of college.

    One thing of note, though, regarding the feedback. I mentioned in one of the posts above that although I will indeed be in the tech center, from time to time, I will also be in Thornton for about 70% of my work week - so the commute to and from there is most important. That's why we were thinking Broomfield. Does anyone know how the schools are there?

    And, what is it that makes Adams County schools so poor? Are they "Comptonesque" (for lack of a better term)? - meaning, are they rough with crime and bad on test scores?

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    Quote Originally posted by Jason
    And, what is it that makes Adams County schools so poor? Are they "Comptonesque" (for lack of a better term)? - meaning, are they rough with crime and bad on test scores?
    Jason
    A little from Column A, and a little from Column B from what I have heard.
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    ahh..

    ...good to know. It's funny how everyone mentions Cherry Creek and Adams school districts in the same breath, one being good and one bad. My new boss's secretary said the same thing - "you should look and Cherry Creek schools...and make sure you stay away from Adams county".

    Cherry Creek must indeed be very, very good, and Adams the opposite.

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    well....

    Quote Originally posted by Jason
    ...good to know. It's funny how everyone mentions Cherry Creek and Adams school districts in the same breath, one being good and one bad. My new boss's secretary said the same thing - "you should look and Cherry Creek schools...and make sure you stay away from Adams county".

    Cherry Creek must indeed be very, very good, and Adams the opposite.

    Jason
    Yes, Cherry Creek has better schools,

    but Adams 5 star is a fine district!

    The other Adams School Districts are less fine, Brighton (sad to say) and I forgot the other district names......Mapleton? and Westminster 50 maybe the others...not so good.......
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    My recommendation to you would be to stay north of Denver, and you might also consider staying east of Wadsworth (Hwy 287). Traffic at I-25 and I-36 can get heavy. In fact, you probably want to stay off I-36 altogether, if you can. I-25 is usually not too bad north of 120th. Wadsworth tends to get a little congested around the I-36 interchange and up to the Northwest Parkway. East-west arterials like Church Ranch/104th and 120th can get slow too. Note that triangle formed by interstates 36, 76, 25, and 270. Avoid it.

    I am in Erie, a growing community with some nice homes. Homes in my subdivision (Canyon Creek) or in Vista Ridge, off Arapahoe (Hwy 7) start in the 200's and go on up to about 450. I have 2800 square feet and it cost less than $350. This is an area that is attracting many families. The district just built a new high school. One of the nice things about Erie is that it is very accessible to a large part of the area. Boulder is twenty minutes west, Longmont is twenty minutes north, and when traffic is light, Denver is 30 minutes south. Even when traffic is heavy, you can get to the Northwest Parkway before the congestion begins and easily bypass the city or get to the airport.

    Lafayette is just south and is a bit older. The homes are not as large or nice (mostly 1970's to 90's) but the landscaping will be mature. This woud be the distinguishing factor of the other area communities, like Broomfield of Westminster.

    My girlfriend lives in Westminster. I have spent a lot of time there and found it to be a decent enough place. There is a new middle school being built in her neighborhood, near Stanley Lake. It seems a bit odd, since just about everybody in her neighborhood (homes from $225-275) is single. Stop in at Freeze-It, on 104th/Church Ranch just west of Wadsworth, for great ice cream. Seriously. Try it. You will love it. I am partial to the pineapple sherbet.

    Wheat Ridge and Arvada are nice, especially because they are closer to the mountains, but I think you would find yourself with a long commute in heavy traffic.
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    Adams County has some rougher school districts. I remember going to a basketball game at Ranum (south of Westminster, unincorporated area) when I was in high school... we literally left in fear, and as the buzzer went, the entire team from our school stood up and walked out to the bus -- in February -- without stopping at the locker room. By the time the buzzer went, much of the team had left the building already, still in shorts -- the safety factor was a major issue. Commerce City schools can be kind of bad -- Adams City High School there used to be pretty bad when I was in school -- lots of stories of guns, drugs, violence, etc. But if you're looking in north Thornton -- Horizon High School for example -- you'd probably be fine, unless it's changed a lot -- that used to be a good school district.

    I highly recommend Broomfield schools from a point of view of community involvement -- I know nothing about the academics, but I am sure they are fine. When I was in high school, Broomfield had the best attendance (by far) in our league for football and basketball -- the gym would normally be sold out an hour before the varsity games -- and it was incredibly loud! And it's the type of support that was impressive -- many people bought "season tickets" at inflated prices that basically was a donation to the athletic department, and the local businesses all supported the team. And friendly... even being from an opposing school, the people were very friendly and classy. As a student, I think Broomfield would be the most fun school to go to in Colorado! But I don't know... I think there's more than one high school there now... so it might have changed.

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    My sister lived in Denver for a short while, so this is only a visitor's perspective: give me those little brick tudor bungalows over the horrors of almost any part of suburban Denver Denver is the epitome of sprawl. It's one of those places (like Sacramento, for example) where the city is much more attractive than the suburbs, imo. Remember, Denver is located in the bleakest part of the High Plains.. So, suburban Denver struck me as very bleak, overall. Highland Ranch may be "California" only if your definition of California is the worst parts of Tracy, Livermore, Contra Costa or Riverside County sprawl. Yucko.

    I'd lolok in the City if you can afford it at all. But then, I don't have kids and am a hypocrite because I live in a suburban town myself.

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    I thought I'd put in my 2 cents:

    Jason, first of all, WELCOME TO DENVER!

    If you're going to be working most of the time in Thornton, do not live in Parker (or Centennial or Highlands Ranch or anyplace south) unless you enjoy spending 2+ hours a day sitting in your car. That's just crazy.

    I'll follow BKM's comments up with another plug for Denver proper. If you haven't checked it out yet, do investigate Stapleton, the "largest infill project in the nation" on the former airport site. There's you'll get the new house with an urban/suburban feel, good schools, and a geographically central location to the rest of the metro area. http://www.stapletondenver.com/main.asp

    There are a lot of other very nice older Denver neighborhoods other than Cherry Creek, Highland, or Washington Park. You might want to investigate Sloans Lake, Congress Park, Park Hill, Baker, Mayfair, Montclair, University Hills, or Observatory Park neighborhoods, just to name a few.

    Regarding Downtown Denver, it's not just "high priced lofts" in LoDo. Yes, that is a part of the Downtown scene, but if you explore my website: http://www.DenverInfill.com you will see that there are over 12,000 residential units completed, under construction, or planned in the Downtown area since 2000. There are many that are in the $250 - $300/SF range, which is comparable to some of the nicer neighborhoods in the city or the 'burbs.

    Good luck!

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    Even more great info!

    I really, really appreciate all of this info. It seems like more and more people are warning against the trials of the highway/freeway from the southeast to Thornton.

    Now all I have to do is get my darned house in Vegas sold!

    Jason

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    Quote Originally posted by Jason
    Now all I have to do is get my darned house in Vegas sold!
    Jason
    Advertise a casino in your basement... casinos were popular in Las Vegas when I was last out there... Are they still popular?
    You get all squeezed up inside/Like the days were carved in stone/You get all wired up inside/And it's bad to be alone

    You can go out, you can take a ride/And when you get out on your own/You get all smoothed out inside/And it's good to be alone
    -Peart

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