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    Cyburbian Habanero's avatar
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    Monday morning news

    Okay, this morning I wake up to here that the men stopped along the highway in Florida said they were "joking" because they knew the waitress was listening. Does anyone else think that's crap? I mean, HELLO!?!!?! I just wanted to say, "okay, now you've got to be joking, that's such crap". I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing them punished for such behaviour, to the same extent you'd get punished for a bomb joke in an airport. Beyond which, if you really think joking about terrorism is funny, perhaps you should get put on the next plane out of here.

    Does anyone else have any feelings about this "hoax"?
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    People never cease to amaze me - I mean, even right after September 11 you'd get idiots joking about it on airplanes, etc., and of course the whole airport would be shut down, the army called out, etc.

    However, it must get really annoying to be stared at, treated like you're a criminal, etc. all the time. Joking about it would be some sort of release, but I guess they just carried it too far in this case. Running the tollbooth, and refusing to co-operate just made it look even better.

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    I heard about it also. The two guys were interns at the local hospital and were consequently fired because the hospital had gotten so many letters, call, death threats, etc. The hosiptal administrators are allegedly helping the guys find other employment, but you can pretty much agree that their lives are ruined. Yet, the waitress goes back to work. So much for civil rights, regardless of your ethnicity.
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    The whole concept amazes me. Nothing to joke about. Never.

    However, if you were really planning something, dont you think you'd lay low, not talk about it in public, avoid drawing attention to yourself (like pay your damend tolls!)?

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    Although I think they would've kept quiet if it was serious, what if they hadn't? What if this was real? So I should now feign sympathy for the stupid? They aren't victims by any means, bomb threats aren't "funny". I do feel bad they've lost employment, but they made a bad choice and I don't feel that bad for them. (And Monday morning PMS isn't helping!!)
    When Jesus said "love your enemies", he probably didn't mean kill them.

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    No don't get me wrong. I have ZERO sympathy for these A**holes. You don't have to be smart to be a villain.

    Although it certainly helps, Pinky and the Brain...

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    I'm not sure what to think about these guys

    bturk, I may be wrong, but didn't Mohammed Atta and his crew brag about what they were about to do (in general terms) to some strippers down in FL?

    A couple things I've noticed about this latest story:

    Friday night, they said they were "joking," and that they wanted to yank the chain of the woman at the next booth who was "staring at them."

    Saturday, they said the woman was making it all up. Never said any of it. Nothing. Story was completely fabricated by the woman.

    Which is it guys, were you joking when you said it, or did you never say it at all?

    Also, the irony was apparently lost on them that at the same time they were fuming about being profiled, they were pretty strongly implying that all Southerners were racist pigs.

    Seems to me that if there was ever an example of yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater, this stunt was it...
    "The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist." -- Mark Steyn

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    That's interesting El Feo.

    Especially since I like to yell MOVIE! in a crowded firehouse. *shamelesly stolen punch line*

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    I could see a situation where the waitress or someone in another booth was looking at these guys in a suspicious manner and they made a reference out of anger. As tasteless and stupid as it is to joke about this, their lives shouldn't be ruined because of it. Most of us have no idea what people of middle-eastern descent are going through. Every time they get on an airplane, all eyes are on them. If they do anything that doesn't seem "normal" people report them to the authorities. I guess if the lady heard a suspicious conversation, she did the right thing in contacting the authorities, but it is complete BS that they got fired over something that some waitresss overheard at a Shoney's. I smell lawsiut.
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    I would hope that regardless of race, if anyone joked about anything of this nature the same scene would play out (high schools are very strict on joking about violence at school since Columbine). Perhaps it doesn't always happen like that, but like El Feo said, first they said it was a joke and now they're saying it was never said. If it really wasn't ever said and they said they were joking to try to get out of trouble, they should've rethought their actions. As med students I would hope they had more commen sense than that. IMHO, I think if you admit to doing something wrong you should be punished for it. It's like the people put in prison after admitting to the crime and then saying "I didn't do it". Then why did you say you did?!?
    When Jesus said "love your enemies", he probably didn't mean kill them.

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    I'm so tired of this shit!

    Until I hear more facts my condolences go to the guys. I can imagine the busy bodies that make sure they hear the conversations of three Arab gents. And let's not forget the press misquotes people all the time. ALL THE TIME. Everyone of us here has had a mis-quote by a reporter that was in over their heads. And you don't get to fire people because you get hate mail. If we did that where do we stop? What if we fired people because they were black? They are being fired for being Arab. That is wrong. Remember no - charges were filed. All the med school has is inuendo and press reports. 75% of the Press is lieing - incompetent crapbags in my judgement.

    I am scared that this country has lost it feeble-stupid mind. We are so scared of terrorism that we want safety above all. I don't care if three guys joke about 9-11 to screw with a busybody (Think Church Lady). I'd rather have that - than a nation where we are crapping in our pants. We need some nads badly.

    3000 people died. Ok. Where it the proportion? We should be smoking Tobacco execs out of their holes and bombing North Carolina.

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    I guess TexasPlanner isn't the only one PMS-ing today.

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    Pass the freaking Pamprin bTurk!



    Its out of my system now. I have several dear friends that are south Asian including a few Arabs and I have been going throught this simple minded redneck hate fest with them all year. Enough.

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    LOL my old college room mate's last name was Pamperin - we just called him "CRAMP".

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    Might want to check the source of this information. The Houston Chronicle is reporting a completely different story. Basically the woman who called in the complaint may have heard / assumed wrong... Its good to follow up on these tips but this one turned out to be wrong.

    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printsto...nation/1576290
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    COMMENTARY
    TV dots airwaves with inaccuracies
    GLENN GARVIN
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    ''It seems like everyone connected the dots here,'' WSVN-Fox 7 anchor Christine Cruz said during the sixth hour of the marathon coverage of Friday's bomb scare on Alligator Alley. ``It seems like everyone did what they were supposed to be doing.''

    Like a lot of what was said during the coverage, that was about half right. Television reporters were certainly connecting dots -- lots of dots, some of them seemingly from another planet -- but if journalism is about facts and not hype, then they definitely weren't doing what they were supposed to do.

    Friday's coverage was the source of a staggering amount of misinformation. Among the inaccurate reports:

    Several stations reported that a woman in Georgia told police three Middle Easterners were coming to Miami to blow something up. (That's not what she said.)

    Several also said cops spotted the men after they roared past a tollbooth on I-75. (One car rolled by at a normal rate of speed; the other stopped and paid the tolls for both.)

    The cops used explosives to detonate a suspicious knapsack found in one car. (They didn't.) Channel 7 reported that explosive ''triggers'' were found in one of the cars. (There were no ''triggers'' or anything else to do with explosives.)

    Channel 7 also reported that cops were searching for a third car. (They weren't.)

    It was a wretched performance -- worse yet, a wretched performance that dragged on for eight hours, terrorizing South Florida and smearing the daylights out of three medical students who can be counted on to contribute heavily to the next edition of the travel guide What Sucks About South Florida.

    ''This is what is wrong with local news,'' said Bill Pohovey, news director at WPLG-ABC 10, one of the two stations that kept their perspective on the story and stuck with regular programming. (WLTV-Univision 23 was the other.) ``This is why viewers get disgusted with local news.''

    My only quibble with Pohovey is the word local. The worst parody of journalism Friday was actually on CNN, where the high-paid-low-rated anchor Paula Zahn speculated, without a jot or tittle of evidence, that the three men were coming to Florida to blow up the Turkey Point nuclear reactor. Now you know why CNN promotes her sex appeal rather than her news judgment.

    Local stations at least had the excuse that when you go live for six to eight hours, you've got to fill up the airtime with something -- especially when the pictures are dull shots of cops standing around empty automobiles. At best, that means stuff will get on the air without being as thoroughly checked as it should be; at worst, it means your telecast devolves into rampant speculation and hype. We had plenty of both Friday.

    The most egregious offender was WSVN 7, where it sounded like the staff had to hold anchors Christine Cruz and Tom Haynes back from storming onto the causeway and personally administering lethal injections to the three detained men they'd already tried and convicted.

    Over and over, the cops and public officials interviewed by the station's reporters cautioned that there was no physical evidence against the men (WSVN's false report of explosive ''triggers'' notwithstanding), they hadn't been arrested, and they weren't even being called ''suspects'' yet. Over and over, Cruz and Haynes ignored them.

    ''This story started as Sinister Plot,'' Cruz warned darkly. ``Now it's become Attack on Miami.''

    Haynes wondered whether ''these guys, apparently on their way to Miami to do some harm to the city of Miami,'' were tied to al Qaeda. ''This looks like some loosely pulled together plot,'' he added. Later, he called them ``three men apparently on their way to Miami with some ill intentions.''

    Sometimes I seriously wondered if Haynes was listening to his own station. At one point, WSVN aired an interview with the Georgia woman who reported the three men to the police. She described overhearing one man ask, ''Do you think we have enough to bring it down?'' and another answering, ``If we don't have enough, I have contacts. We can get enough to bring it down.''

    Seconds after the interview ended, Haynes summarized like this: Three men ''talking about driving down to Miami and using some sort of explosive device to blow it up.'' How he read all that into those two simple sentences, I'll never know. Though I'll bet Paula Zahn can tell us.

    http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/4071560.htm


    DUHH. Beat the reporters with whips and it wont happen again!

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    I agree with Guap... the profiling is crap.

    my cousin and I were in In-and-out burger in Vegas talking about all the terrorist crap and distinctly speaking words like blowing up a building and bomb... not one person took a double take or looked at us. We did it on purpose. We are WHITE. If we were arab. 16 sqauds and the FBI would have showed up.

    I don't believe that anyone would brag or discuss a terrorist plot in public. I just don't. If I were a terrorist, I would do it in private. and I wouldn't commit my act on a "high" orange or whatever alert day.
    Dude, I'm cheesing so hard right now.

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