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    Human Body Parts: Capitalism in all its glory

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...568467,00.html

    Special report

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    The beauty products from the skin of executed Chinese prisoners

    · Cosmetics firm targets UK market ·
    Lack of regulation puts users at risk

    Ian Cobain and Adam Luck
    Tuesday September 13, 2005
    The Guardian


    A Chinese cosmetics company is using skin harvested from the corpses of executed convicts to develop beauty products for sale in Europe, an investigation by the Guardian has discovered.

    Agents for the firm have told would-be customers it is developing collagen for lip and wrinkle treatments from skin taken from prisoners after they have been shot. The agents say some of the company's products have been exported to the UK, and that the use of skin from condemned convicts is "traditional" and nothing to "make such a big fuss about".
    Wow. Since the only thing that matters is if there is a market for a product, then this should be embraced And, we have to always respect and permit whatever is "traditional." Throw in the fact that some aging nutcases will do ANYTHING to preserve their youthful appearance, and we have a glorious Konservative Kapitalist Kultural Trifecta

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    Yet again, it's the f---ing Chinese though, so I guess it shouldn't be so unexpected.
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    Years ago when I worked in a drugstore I noticed that we carried a hair-care product for African-Americans that stated in large print on the label "WITH PLACENTA". I almost brought up my lunch right on the spot. Yeah, its essentailly a waste product of the birthing process, and not harvesting from cadavers, but who the hell goes around collecting these placentas? Do janitors raid the biohazard cans at the hospitals?

    That Illiniois...he's so PC!

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    You know... I have always wondered about the possibility of organ donation from inmates on death row.
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    Blah, what's the big deal? They're not using their parts anymore so someone might as well.

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    Dang, John Dillinger died years ago. Drat!

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    However, I think if they have been executed there would be some trauma to the tissue possibly making it unusable. Very strange.

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    Quote Originally posted by Bear Up North
    Dang, John Dillinger died years ago. Drat!

    Bear

    I wonder how many folks got that reference?
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister
    I wonder how many folks got that reference?
    Isn't John Holmes dead, too?

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    Aren't the Chinese the ones marketing all these dead body museum exhibits lately, using the bodies of dead indigents? The one that just opened in Tampa a couple of weeks ago is drawing record crowds. It's just gross.

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    This is yet another reason why I prefer a low-maintenance woman. I'll take the all-natural look - wrinkles, pimples, imperfections and all, any day over pickled-people-covered who knows what on a woman's face. Leave the goulish goop for accident victims, TV anchors, and televangelist wives.

    Oh, and Michael Jackson.
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    We ought to rename this thread to "Human Body Parts: Capitalism in all its gory". Then maybe I will remember to not re-open this while eating something again.


    EDIT: Next they will be feeding death row prisoners a special diet so they can claim "all organic ingredients" and after that sets the precedent for People Farming, solient green will be next.

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    Quote Originally posted by jread
    Blah, what's the big deal? They're not using their parts anymore so someone might as well.
    Yeah. Just like those German lampshade factories in the early 1940s.

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    Quote Originally posted by BKM
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...568467,00.html



    Wow. Since the only thing that matters is if there is a market for a product, then this should be embraced And, we have to always respect and permit whatever is "traditional." Throw in the fact that some aging nutcases will do ANYTHING to preserve their youthful appearance, and we have a glorious Konservative Kapitalist Kultural Trifecta
    It's from The Guardian, take it with a grain of salt

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    Quote Originally posted by Dan
    Yeah. Just like those German lampshade factories in the early 1940s.
    I'm not sure what you're referring to

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    I thought The Guardian was considered a reputable newspaper. You're not confusing it with The Globe are you? Brits speak highly of it.

    I've heard of those German lampshade factories. More than just rumor? They would have had a steady supply of raw materials supply from the gas chambers.

    Not meaning to sound insensitive...my own mother's family was in a concentration camp of the Japanese in Indonesia during WWII.

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    Quote Originally posted by jread
    I'm not sure what you're referring to

    I think he may be referring to the fact that the wife of the Commandant of Buchenwald (the Bitch of Buchenwald) who had lampshades, book covers, gloves, handbags and other freaky odds and ends made from the skin of dead Jews. She probably wasnt the only one.

    Although he could have been talking about something completely different.

    This may be off topic, but how does the use of dead peoples skin in experiments by a private corporation differ from experiments on stem cell research. Depending on a (living) persons point of view, they are both dead people. Can somebody think the use of a dead embryo is Ok, but a dead fully formed adult body is not?

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    Quote Originally posted by boilerplater
    I thought The Guardian was considered a reputable newspaper.
    I've found the guardian to be a bit of a rag. It's very opinionated and often lets its opinions seep out of the editorial page. The fact that I mostly agree with its politics doesn't mean I can't find it to be a rag for expressing them inappropriately.

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    Quote Originally posted by BKM
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...568467,00.html
    Wow. Since the only thing that matters is if there is a market for a product, then this should be embraced And, we have to always respect and permit whatever is "traditional." Throw in the fact that some aging nutcases will do ANYTHING to preserve their youthful appearance, and we have a glorious Konservative Kapitalist Kultural Trifecta
    Isn't it a bit of an exaggeration to call the Chinese industrial complex "capitalist"? I'm under the impression China's government is more of an oligopoly. Of course, they happily export to anyone who will buy, which includes capitalist and socialist govenrments like the ones in Europe.

    I recall a number of years back the various right wing types being very disturbed by rumours remnants of aborted foetuses would be used in various cosmetic products. I don't know if this were actually true or not.

    For a look at use of human tissue a little closer to home, check out what the http://www.nocirc.org people claim.

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    Quote Originally posted by Boru
    I think he may be referring to the fact that the wife of the Commandant of Buchenwald (the Bitch of Buchenwald) who had lampshades, book covers, gloves, handbags and other freaky odds and ends made from the skin of dead Jews. She probably wasnt the only one.

    Although he could have been talking about something completely different.

    This may be off topic, but how does the use of dead peoples skin in experiments by a private corporation differ from experiments on stem cell research. Depending on a (living) persons point of view, they are both dead people. Can somebody think the use of a dead embryo is Ok, but a dead fully formed adult body is not?
    Thanks!

    Lampshades, book covers and handbacks huh? Interesting

    I still don't see the problem with using dead people's extra parts. We make things out of animals all the time.

    "It puts the lotion on it's skin"

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    Quote Originally posted by Michele Zone
    We ought to rename this thread to "Human Body Parts: Capitalism in all its gory". Then maybe I will remember to not re-open this while eating something again.


    EDIT: Next they will be feeding death row prisoners a special diet so they can claim "all organic ingredients" and after that sets the precedent for People Farming, solient green will be next.
    OMG. You've made my morning, Mz.

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