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    W's N.O. speech / plan

    What thread are we discussing W's speech from last night on? (I cant find it, and I am sure it exists, but if not.. let this one start it)
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    Get caught with a big problem, bury it in money. How original.

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    I think that the speech was a good start, but only a start. It will not be a memorable speech by any means, but it was more than the Governor of LA or Mayor of NO has done. I was also impressed that he mentioned zoning changes for areas so that people can build new houses, and the homestead program sounds cool. I am also happy to see that he wants to make sure that everything possible is done to improve the quality of life for the low income individuals and help them to own their own home.

    One thing is for sure... the federal government is now fully in charge and I am just waiting for the Governor of LA and Mayor of NO to start whining about it.

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    Bush is also declaring war on the actual Gulf of Mexico since he has undeniable proof that the body of water is harboring HMD's (hurricanes of mass destruction) and is trying to destroy the United States' oil supply.
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    I hope that these redevelopment, housing opportunities and codes do come to pass. I'm just don't have to much faith in the implementation of W's plans. At least Rumsfield won't be in charge of this Gulf War
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    Here we go again.....

    How about all those no bid contracts to the Halliburtons and Bechtels......that's bad news, these companies are famous for not getting things done while being 2 or 3 times over budget........ I hope the residents pay attention to what the Feds try to do to their region (Price them out....) I predict that the New Orleans region will be one of the highest priced places to live in the next 10 years!
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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis
    I think that the speech was a good start, but only a start. It will not be a memorable speech by any means, but it was more than the Governor of LA or Mayor of NO has done. I was also impressed that he mentioned zoning changes for areas so that people can build new houses, and the homestead program sounds cool. I am also happy to see that he wants to make sure that everything possible is done to improve the quality of life for the low income individuals and help them to own their own home.

    One thing is for sure... the federal government is now fully in charge and I am just waiting for the Governor of LA and Mayor of NO to start whining about it.
    I was shocked that a politician from Texas would even say the "Z" word!!

    His proposal wasn't anything earth-shattering; I would have expected a similar speech from any president regardless of party affiliation.

    I did notice the careful wording when it came to flood protection--he did not say that the federal government/COE would be funding the levee improvements (though I'm sure they will).

    I like the idea of the homestead lottery program, but I am concerned about the form these houses will take. Traditional Neighborhood Design, mixed-use and pedestrian-friendly environments need to be emphasized given the economic status of these individuals (no cars in many cases). This is also an excellent opportunity for New Orleans to go in with light-rail and commuter rail with TODs--if you are going to redevelop going from basically a blank slate, you might as well do it on the cutting edge.

    My response is basically neutral on his speech. I think we all knew a speech like this was coming, but just weren't sure when. One other thing I noticed was that his speech didn't seem as simple (for lack of a better word) as his other speeches--this one seemed more polished, more "Washington".

    I'm much more curious to hear comments from the Governor and Mayor since it will be up to state and local government on the ground to make stuff happen. Much of what he mentioned with building codes and such will really be their responsibility.

    Don't know if anybody else heard this, but there is already a house bill drafted to bring FEMA back to a cabinet level post. It'll be interesting to see how that debate plays out.

    "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

    - Herman Göring at the Nuremburg trials (thoughts on democracy)

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    A lot of talk about what we should do. I am just wondering how we will pay for it. One of the things he said seemed silly - the Urban Homestead Act - where disaster victims can get surplus federal land to relocate on and the government will help them settle. 1) I don't really think there is a lot of surplus federal land in the area suitable for building homes on, and 2) a lot of these people have land. What they don't have anymore is houses

    Howard Dean said something before the speech that made a lot of sense (go figure, he would say something that would make sense). He said the bankruptcy law, which goes into effect in a month or so, should be tabled so the disaster victims can file for bankruptcy, if needed, to get out from under debt they cannot pay off.
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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis
    .... I was also impressed that he mentioned zoning changes for areas so that people can build new houses...I am also happy to see that he wants to make sure that everything possible is done to improve the quality of life for the low income individuals and help them to own their own home...
    Agreed. Also, I was impressed that he said the government at all levels, federal included, dropped the ball and that after 9/11, we as a Country expected a higher standard!
    I'm interested to see the first US city built in the 21st century [ is it wrong to want to be involved in it?]. And I have to wonder if the zoning and land use changes will come into fruition, or if that will be swept under the table in return for a quicker (and less well built) New New Orleans to appease the people!
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    Another planner in my office sent me an article that states that the Feds are setting up temporary cities for at least 300,000 people. I did some quick math based on the number of persons per household (from around this area) and it results in approximately 125,000 new homes will need to be created. What a permitting nightmare.

    I am a little nervous about how diverse these communities are going to be and the manner in which they are created. Plus, who is going to handle the land trust that he mentioned (homestead thing).

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    Quote Originally posted by The One
    I predict that the New Orleans region will be one of the highest priced places to live in the next 10 years!
    I could not agree more. I'm willing to bet that New Orleans in ten years will be one-third its pre-Katrina size (150,000-200,000 residents), but three times the income and wealth. It will become safer for wealthy people to live in, and many of the low-lying poor areas won't be built on again.

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    Quote Originally posted by Trail Nazi
    Another planner in my office sent me an article that states that the Feds are setting up temporary cities for at least 300,000 people. I did some quick math based on the number of persons per household (from around this area) and it results in approximately 125,000 new homes will need to be created. What a permitting nightmare.
    For those playing along at home, here is the Associated Press article.
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    Bush got cought with his pants down and he is trying to make up for it now. Did anyone see the news segment on Army Recrutiers trolling the shelters for recruits? That's nice, the huricain did'nt get you but the war will! Get people while their down, thats it.

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    Quote Originally posted by Planificador Urbano
    Bush got cought with his pants down and he is trying to make up for it now. Did anyone see the news segment on Army Recrutiers trolling the shelters for recruits? That's nice, the huricain did'nt get you but the war will! Get people while their down, thats it.
    Remember the US military is voluntary.

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    Thanks for that info BO.

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    Quote Originally posted by Big Owl
    Remember the US military is voluntary.
    How voluntary is it if you are living in a shelter, have three kids to feed and clothe, your home is destroyed and not only did you lose your job but your place of employment is destroyed? People are grasping at straws and the armed forces will save them, for Iraq.

    Those recruiters are pretty cold-blooded.
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    Quote Originally posted by otterpop
    How voluntary is it if you are living in a shelter, have three kids to feed and clothe, your home is destroyed and not only did you lose your job but your place of employment is destroyed? People are grasping at straws and the armed forces will save them, for Iraq.

    Those recruiters are pretty cold-blooded.
    Last I heard, if you have three kids you cannot join. The limit is 2 (you can have all you want after you join).

    But, you know, out of compassion for their hardship case, maybe the military will start offering waivers for that.

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    They should just give people the money so they can rebuild their lives somewhere else. The good parts of New Orleans are fine and don't need reconstruction. The parts that are gone should be left to go to ruins. There's no point to rebuild a city if no one will come back to live there. This project will make previous milestones in government pork look like loose change.

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    I can't think of any time the Bush Admin has done something that looks like it was well planned. There is a long history of bad judgement, covered up by a brilliant propaganda campaign that makes the mistakes look like wise moves.

    Even the post 9/11 period, when everyone applauds Bush as a wise and forceful leader, was a period of pretty bad judgement. The list of poor decisions can be found on any liberal website, and the propaganda that attempts to make that list look like a series of successes can be found in any conservative radio talk show.

    It would be out of character for the President's response to this catasrophe to be wise and beneficial to the country and its citizens. I hope that it is, but I am not confident.

    As an example, this would be an excellent time to undo the tax cuts and save the country's economic future. The Bush decision was to keep the tax cuts and (if you believe this, I have a bridge for sale) make up the $200 + billion by cutting existing expenses. It's like winning the war with 150,000 troops.

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    Wise and beneficial to the country and its citizens?
    I can confidently say the 78.989% of the Bush supporters I know would call that Communism (when they should say Socialism, but that's best left to another thread).

    Please make me queen for a day. I don't think it is a crime to wish to get in and contribute without being deployed in order to help resurrect a city in a sensible, reasonable, logical, sane, thoughtful, scientific, coherent, rational, sound and valid manner. I work for the Feds on occasion. No offense, but I don't have a lot of faith. I hope my prejudices are unfounded.

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    How about all those no bid contracts to the Halliburtons and Bechtels
    You know any other companies that do what Halliburton does?

    I can't think of anything this whole mess needs more than a lengthy bid process

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    Quote Originally posted by ijustkrushalot
    You know any other companies that do what Halliburton does?

    I can't think of anything this whole mess needs more than a lengthy bid process
    Many small companies offer the same services as Halliburton, my own included. If the government is going to be shelling out funds to consultants to provide planning, engineering, economic development, architecture, and related services to impacted areas, I and my partners and my competitors all deserve an equal shot at it. I would prefer to see the money granted to local communities to allow them to select the firms they are most comfortable with and who they think are suited to meeting their local needs.
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    Actually, the Feds can dole out no-bid contracts to anyone as long as the amount of the contract does not exceed $250K. If a project can be split up into bite-sized (or $249,999) chunks, they can piece out the requirements to one or many firms of smaller size under the new no-bid rules. I hope this helps all of the little guys out. Preference is always given to minority and women-owned companies. Yay!

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