So far, local development proposals submitted as neo-traditional developments have been very disappointing. The layout, design and land uses lack the characteristics of our older community. The "new urbanism" tag seems to be an excuse for high denisty housing without local style or characteristics. New Urbanism should support the sense of place rather than introduce developments which are out of character to our community. Designers should start with discussions with local people before pen is put to paper. LOcal forms of land use should be identified by people of the community. By the way, what is the meaning of the latest term "Rural Urbanism" used to support new urbanism? New bit of double talk.