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    Reactions To The Prez Speech [Temp 1]

    So what did you all thing about our Prez speech last night?


    Im still amazed hes trying to tie Iraq to Al Quieda (did i spell that right?) and WMD. Im glad hes going to other nations and asking for help, yet I have no idea where he plans to get 87 BILLION dollars for his "war".

    Anything I say folks will bash becouse they know Im a Dem and I dont like this Prez so I want everyone to share their thoughts.
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    Didnt see it. Read the news about it. Ambivalent.

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    here is a link to the text. http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=116&sid=2955

    I did not see it but read it this AM. I was busy at a Meatloaf show last night-very strange show indeed~!
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    Originally posted by Plannergirl@Sep 8 2003, 12:56 PM
    I was busy at a Meatloaf show last night-very strange show indeed~!
    Ummm. Meatloaf at a Shonny's all-you-can-eat Super Bar...Now that's a weapon of mass destruction.

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    talking about food as WMD
    anybody see the story on CBS Sunday Morning

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    I'm somewhere in the middle on this one. I don't think we should have gone in to begin with, and at the time I suggested that the aftermath was going to be far more difficult than winning the war. Now, I think two things need to happen. First, Bush needs to level with the American people about the human and monetary cost that we will have to bear for some time yet (this is beginning to happen) and get rid of Rumsfeld. Second, he has to go to the UN with a little less of a bullying attitude, and the UN nations need to step up and take on a legitimate role in helping to police, rebuild, and finance Iraq.
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    Originally posted by Plannergirl@Sep 8 2003, 12:56 PM
    here is a link to the text. http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=116&sid=2955

    I did not see it but read it this AM. I was busy at a Meatloaf show last night-very strange show indeed~!
    How was the Loaf? I'm a fan, but havn't heard much of him as of late.
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    Thanks for the text link PG as I did not could not listen to it. :o :o <--- guess who?


    I think our efforts in the end will be futile, can&#39;t outlast an arab - what if we just leave them alone with their crude and hell yeah have blackouts in the US and gas lines. Let walmart collapse.
    Won&#39;t it happen eventually?, Cannot people adjust to change? Dick Cheney still seems to think that energy conservation practices are an optional personal virtue, thus making it a choice of consumer&#39;s and the corporate organizations that feed the supply (or is it demand)

    As far as taking care of the people in Iraq,Afghanistan, etc etc The whole humanitarian effort should come from other nations in the Mid-East; they need to learn to play nice in the sandbox :angry: :lol:

    At any rate, my nice comfy american life is so far removed from that strife that what can one do about it?

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    I took the speech as an indication that:

    1) the President knows his popularity with the American electorate is dropping, and

    2) things in Iraq are bad, and rapidly heading toward worse.

    Just my own uninformed opinion.....
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    It was typical Bush...lies, mis-representations, and bullying. Explain to me why the UN has any responsibilty for rebuilding Iraq? The US ignored the UN and said we will go at it alone with our "coalition of the willing." Now that we are having trouble, he is again bullying the UN to make them help. As for all this money he is requesting...I thought Iraqi oil would finance the reconstruction? And since when was Iraq the central theater in the war on terror? I thought that was Afganistan. Also, the people shooting US troops are not terrorists. They are Iraqis fighting an invading force. The attacks on the UN headquarters, public spaces, and the mosques are terrorist attacks, but when people attack soldiers that have invaded their country, it is not terrorism. Bush just uses the label to justify his administrations actions.
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    He repo man - my brother-in-law leaves for Iraq today. Tell me how the Iraqi&#39;s are justified in killing the invading infidels again. FU&#33;

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    I am not saying that I support the killing of troops, I am saying that killing soldiers is not terrorism, it is part of war. I hope that every person that guns down a US soldier is hunted down and killed and I hope that this shooting stops, but to call people fighting against a country that invaded their country in a time of war "terrorists" is misleading. The president throws the term "terrorism" around far to loosley. In this President&#39;s mind, anyone who opposes the US is a terrorist.
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    No doubt, Bush uses the word &#39;terrorism&#39; to discredit anything he does not like. Does that mean the people attacking coalition forces in Iraq are not terrorists?

    The most important document in American history is the Declaration of Independence. It spells out a concept that the only legitimate government is one that rules with the consent of the governed, and that a people are within their rights to overthrow that government if it does not have that consent. Hussein and the Baathists did not rule by consent. Unfortunately, it was not the Iraqi people, but US and other forces that overthrew the government, and not by invitation of the Iraqi masses. This cloudies the picture. Is the US occupation legitimate, under our own political philosophy? Are the people attacking our forces justified in doing so? It gets cloudier. These are not &#39;freedom fighters,&#39; but people bent on returning to dictatorship. Maybe they are not terrorists under the strictest definition, but they are not good guys, either.

    The sooner political power in Iraq is turned over to the Iraqi people, to form a legitimate government, the sooner the situation for everyone over there will improve. Some members of the UN might have found excuses not to participate in the major military campaign. They cannot, with any conscience, fail to support the reconstruction of Iraq and its establishment of consentual governance. For our part, we need to act as if Iraq is not our prize, and begin to share the role of rebuilding that nation.
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    Originally posted by Cardinal@Sep 8 2003, 04:27 PM

    The sooner political power in Iraq is turned over to the Iraqi people, to form a legitimate government, the sooner the situation for everyone over there will improve... For our part, we need to act as if Iraq is not our prize, and begin to share the role of rebuilding that nation.
    Which may be part of our reluctance to really giving the UN or the Iraqis any real administrative role. How eager do you think a UN administrator and/or a popular Iraqi government would be to give re-building contracts exclusively to US or even British companies? My guess is not very. But, what do I know?

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    My prediction: This war is going to cost a HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS before it&#39;s all over.

    If it&#39;s ever over.

    But it&#39;s going to be a race to the finish line before Bush is shown the door on January 20, 2005. The question is, can we even afford to wait that long?

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    I fear the Dems or any other party for that matter does not have someone who is capable of running the messy ship we have before us today.

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

    Remember this motto to live by: "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO- HOO what a ride!'"

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    I wish my 68-year old mom could afford the &#036;200.00 in drugs she needs every month.

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    Originally posted by Arb@Sep 8 2003, 05:23 PM
    I wish my 68-year old mom could afford the &#036;200.00 in drugs she needs every month.
    Yeah, too bad she doesn&#39;t have any family to help her out. But since she doesn&#39;t, I guess Congress should force me to.

    Hey...wait a minute....
    "The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist." -- Mark Steyn

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    Clean up your own mess...

    We didn&#39;t support your new Vietnam...

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    Damn I think Skeleton hit it right on the head, why should other nations bail us out (thats how they will see it i fear)?

    I want our guys safe, hell I want em not to have to go but thats not an option.
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    I hope the Free Trade Agreement doesn&#39;t become a Free trade of soldiers agreement...

    We&#39;ve had enough of your bullying... although the grapes were good <_< (remember the chilean grapes that got poisoned with cianide in the US?)

    Back to topic:
    bombing a holy shrine and a symbol of Islam&#39;s peaceful teachings.
    I thought he said before that Islam was evil&#33;

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    Originally posted by Plannergirl@Sep 8 2003, 06:08 PM
    Damn I think Skeleton hit it right on the head, why should other nations bail us out (thats how they will see it i fear)?

    I want our guys safe, hell I want em not to have to go but thats not an option.
    Absolutely 100% correct. We led a "coalition of the willing". What changed? Nothing.

    One thing DID stay the same: FOR THE SECOND TIME a President named Bush called an end to major hostilities in Iraq TOO EARLY. We should have kept pressing these militant factions while the heat was on and we had the offensive upper hand. Our GI&#39;s are now caught in minor scrimigages aimed at attrition - both in body count and morale. Poor judgement IMHO.

    I cant&#39; belief Bush had the stone cajones to send Powell to the UN seeking aid. Kinda makes me wonder if the bombing of the UN Mission in Bagdad really was a CIA operation.

    *ducks for cover*

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    fear the Dems or any other party for that matter does not have someone who is capable of running the messy ship we have before us today.
    His Name is General Wesley Clarkhttp://www.draftwesleyclark.com/

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    BTW, I didn&#39;t watch the speech because I was afraid I&#39;d hurl the remote at the TV. Just the sound of Bush makes me sick, like that guy who became phyically ill from listening to Mary Hart on ET.

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    The State of Florida still did not vote for Bush&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Make the US a better place. Oust all Bushes from office&#33;&#33;

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