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    Anyone else play Civilization?

    I liked playing III a bunch, but now I am so hooked on Civ IV it isn't funny...
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    I've never played Civilization... Just Sim City... and now NationStates!

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    I used to play the board game but I have never played the computer games. Sorry.

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    I've played Civ I, II, and III but I've not purchased or played IV. I'm intentionally putting this off in order to fend off academic disaster. It's bad enough that the winter olympics are landing this term, adding Civ IV on top of that would be completely unbearable.

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    Quote Originally posted by Mastiff
    I liked playing III a bunch, but now I am so hooked on Civ IV it isn't funny...
    I haven't played IV but have had some pretty good runs playing III. So, mastiff, how's McNabb healing up?

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    This Bear has wasted many hours on an addiction to Civ II. During the last couple weeks of my hospital stay for the bone marrow stem cell transplant I sat in the bed and played it for hours and hours. I actually burned-out.

    I have not played in a long time because of that burn-out. But, thanx, you have ignited an interest so now I will turn the dang thing on tonight.

    BTW.....I never played Civ I. I bought Civ III and didn't care for it. Never jumped to Civ IV, either.

    Now to go wipe out some battleships with an ironsides.

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    I play CivII for hours somet times gotta love it. Not fond of III and never tried IV

    OK I admit sometimes I get mad and cheat and just nuke the hell out of some one
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    I've played Civ I and II. I've not tried out Civ III or IV yet.

    I've not played Civ for four years now mostly because I know that if I start playing it, then I'll waste a lot of time on the computer playing the game. And, yet, I can't get myself playing the game in the different way - being diplomatic, peaceful, trying to find my own islands to myself (and if not, then I'd end the game), and the like.

    How is Civ III or IV? Is it the same game with more bells and whistles?

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    I'm playing Civ III and I love it. Got it cheap at Half Price Books.

    It is the kinda game I can play with Blake, my four year old, around. Can't play Battlefield 2 while he's in the room, but Civ III is OK. He likes seing the horseman and cavalry officers ride around on the horses, and India's war elephants.
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    I've played I, II, and III and have been fighting the urge to buy IV because I have the suspicion that I would not emerge from my computer until 2008 if I did.

    I guess I'll tempt fate....can someone tell me how IV is different?

    I have enjoyed all three versions of civ, but I think I like II the best so far. I like the whole 'cultural' thang in III, but found other aspects of the game somewhat frustrating (like corruption - could never get more than maybe a dozen cities that weren't inundated with corruption even under a democracy!)
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    My son is a Civilization junky.... among other things.....
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    Hooked

    Quote Originally posted by Mastiff
    I liked playing III a bunch, but now I am so hooked on Civ IV it isn't funny...

    I got Civ. IV for Christmas and I got hooked immediately. I also have Civ. I, II, III. One item to be aware of, for those who have older computers, check out the side of the box and make sure your computer has enough memory and power for Civ.IV. The only way I can play it is to shut off all the advance graphic presentations. When I build a Wonder it doesn't play the movie graphic that usually goes along with that--if I do it locks up my computer. I have a older machine that just has enough power to play the game, barely. I need to get some more memory.

    Anyway, great game, love it--and is anyone a computer wiz out there, how do I increase memory on a Dell computer.

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    Quote Originally posted by Hceux
    And, yet, I can't get myself playing the game in the different way - being diplomatic, peaceful, trying to find my own islands to myself (and if not, then I'd end the game), and the like.

    How is Civ III or IV? Is it the same game with more bells and whistles?
    I play much the same way - I am interested in 1.building; 2.building; and 3.building. I don't mind fighting a well-scripted war to make a territorial gain but like to do this either early on or maybe after being afforded the opportunity to produce adequate surplus units ahead of time to conduct a successful invasion on my terms without having to commit all my cities to war production for 1000 years. When other civiliztions attack me and compel me to convert the economy to wartime to respond I get rather frustrated and will sometimes 'start over' if the computer actually takes one of my cities.
    Otherwise, the only time I like to wage war is usually well into the industrial era and I will take every city on earth....except one (so as not to end the game) and will spend the remainder of the game building, building and building to boost up population, technology, civilization and happiness scores.

    I haven't played civ 4 yet but at least up to 3 the basic premise of the game is unaltered - you build cities and the cities produce trade and resources which are used for developing technologies, city improvements, and military units. You can win in all versions by capturing all the cities in the world or being first to successfully send colonists on spaceships to the stars. In 3 they introduce other ways to win: achieve 'cultural dominance' (get certain amount of points for producing city improvements like libraries, churches, or Wonders); achieve 'diplomatic victory' (build United Nations wonder and win a landslide election by having other civilizations vote for you) or win by 'general dominance' (ok you didn't take over the whole world but your civilization occupies 2/3 of the earth's surface)
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    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    Quote Originally posted by chrisinmd
    Anyway, great game, love it--and is anyone a computer wiz out there, how do I increase memory on a Dell computer.

    You need to find out from either your documentation that came with your PC or from Dell what kind of memory you can use and how much. You can even buy the memory upgrades from Dell. How much memory you buy and the procedure for doing the update will depend on the type, size (mb) and number of sticks of memory you have already.


    Back on Topic: I picked up CIV4 a few weeks ago and have had time to play a few games so far but haven't picked up much of the little things that you can do yet. It is much more fun and less frustrating than CIV3 was, with a better trade and diplomacy system by far (although diplomacy can still be annoying). Combat system is also much improved and the game looks great. The worker system seems to be about the same although they can do many more things than in the past - most of those things are tied to you having a particular tech discovered, a particular resource, or a connection of resources to your trade network. I find myself either having too few workers or way too many.

    I have been playing the game set on "Marathon" which is something like 1500 turns per game instead of the standard 400-500. It means you can use your early and mid-game units much more if you want.

    I haven't attempted to play multiplayer yet. I have Battlefield 2 for my multiplayer fix, and that has been requiring more of my time than CIV has so far

    My favorite non-essential feature is the clock that you can have show up in the menu bar and the alarm clock that allows you to limit yourself and actually go to bed at a specific time if you can manage to pull yourself away from playing one more turn.

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    The Civ II "CAll to Power" version is my favorite version. My highest ranking is anout 247%. I never liked the Civ III interface, and will wait for IV to be in the bargain bins....

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    Quote Originally posted by Margin Walker
    Back on Topic: I picked up CIV4 a few weeks ago and have had time to play a few games so far but haven't picked up much of the little things that you can do yet. It is much more fun and less frustrating than CIV3 was, with a better trade and diplomacy system by far (although diplomacy can still be annoying). Combat system is also much improved and the game looks great. The worker system seems to be about the same although they can do many more things than in the past - most of those things are tied to you having a particular tech discovered, a particular resource, or a connection of resources to your trade network. I find myself either having too few workers or way too many.
    Can you give some specific examples of how trade/diplomacy/combat systems/interfaces differ?
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    Quote Originally posted by plankton
    So, mastiff, how's McNabb healing up?
    As if you care...

    But, back to Civving. I would say the most dramatic differences are these:

    Religion: It is incorporated into the game in a BIG way. If you found one (by being the first to research the tech), you can gain money from each city that has it (It speads by itself, but you can make and send missionaries. It has a big effect on the way the other civs feel about you.

    Combat: The new combat is much better. And the seige weapons (cats/cannons/arty) do collateral damage. And unit promotions are GREAT!)

    City expansion: You know that huge land rush in Civ III? Forget it. You better place the cities in GOOD locations or they suck you dry. And improve them right, too... Oh, and the barbarians build cities now.

    Great People: This part is something else. They can do all sorts of things... Nothing like sending a great artist to do a "culture bomb" on a newly settled city near your border. I've seen my border expand and completely swallow the other city except the single square. Then it fliped over to me...

    Oh, if you don't have an "open borders" agreement (after you have the writing tech), no one can enter your land without declaring war... with a couple minor exceptions.

    It has a really powerful 3-D animation engine, and yes... check your specs. I have the recommended memory, but needed a better vid card to get it going. It was worth it. If you buy it, download the patches right away, and update all your drivers.

    Last night I just about wiped Egypt of the map... she was crowding me and I didn't like it. First I demanded she give me a tech, then attacked anyway.

    Oh, the timer only works if you can keep from JAFTing... (Just Another &^%$ing Turn!)


    And Maister, the corruption thing is WAY toned down. Half the time I forget to built the forbidden palace. And one of the wonders acts as another FP. Pollution is gone, too. If your city is too polluted, you get a nasty green face and have to find some things to make it more healthy. If you like managing the cities, you'll like it.
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister
    Can you give some specific examples of how trade/diplomacy/combat systems/interfaces differ?
    Just on the trade thing... Aside from how the other Civ feels about you (And you can see WHY they do, you get + for good relations and - for being bad or having the wrong religion, etc.) You can't A) make big package deals anymore. Techs for techs and gold, but only after alphabet and currency. Resources for resources or resource for cash per turn. I do believe you can toss in world maps, but they don't go for as much as they did before. B) Trade routes differ by what civics you have (no more "democracy" and that's that). They have five categories (Government, Legal, Labor, Economy, and Religion), and each has five different attributes, and you get new ones availible with research. The economy civic has, say "free market", and it has certain traits and and a cost (from no upkeep to high upkeep).

    This is a good read : http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/
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    Quote Originally posted by Mastiff
    Great People: This part is something else. They can do all sorts of things... Nothing like sending a great artist to do a "culture bomb" on a newly settled city near your border. I've seen my border expand and completely swallow the other city except the single square. Then it fliped over to me...
    How are Great People generated - is it like Leaders in 3 while winning battles?

    Quote Originally posted by Mastiff
    And Maister, the corruption thing is WAY toned down. Half the time I forget to built the forbidden palace. And one of the wonders acts as another FP. Pollution is gone, too. If your city is too polluted, you get a nasty green face and have to find some things to make it more healthy. If you like managing the cities, you'll like it.
    Thank goodness about the corruption being toned down. And I'm betting most planners like the managing cities (I know I do) aspect of it.
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    Quote Originally posted by Maister
    How are Great People generated - is it like Leaders in 3 while winning battles?


    Thank goodness about the corruption being toned down. And I'm betting most planners like the managing cities (I know I do) aspect of it.

    Great people come from... get this... great people points! How do you get them, you ask? Well, from wonders... they might either add to your total, I think Stonehenge give +2 prophet, or they can be a multiplier, Parthenon is +50% birth rate. (They are somewhat like the great leaders, but can do so much more... but only a great engineer can rush a project)

    So, here you are with a city, and you are growing fast... maybe too fast? You can, if you have the right tech or civic, switch a worked tile (not a worker unit) to a specialist. That specialist adds to you great person points.

    You get the first one at 100 (some civilizations get them cheaper), then one at 200, and 300... etc. And believe me, they really rock. You can check the city to see what kind you are most likely to get. It shows in percentages. One game my biggest city kept producing prophets. Sometime they research good stuff, sometimes bogus... so I kept adding them to the city (they add 2 production and 5 gold) and that uses them up. By mid game I was producing units so cheap it wasn't funny. 2 turns for a tank? Yeah, C'mon Montezuma, let's see what you got!

    If your Civ is next to his... you'll be at war real quick. He likes to fight. Same with Isabelle of Spain. If you have a different religion? She's a comin' to "save" you!
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    I have played and been addicted to Civ I, II, and III (as well as Sim City 1-4). Haven't bought Civ IV yet for a variety of reasons. Mainly that I get pretty set in my playing style and I'm not sure I want to learn all the new ins and outs of Civ IV. Especially because I didn't care much for the Conquests expansion for Civ III and ended up removing it and playing with just Play The World (along with a significant minority of players).
    But I'll probably break down and get it when the price drops a tad.

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    Quote Originally posted by mentarman
    I have played and been addicted to Civ I, II, and III (as well as Sim City 1-4). Haven't bought Civ IV yet for a variety of reasons. Mainly that I get pretty set in my playing style and I'm not sure I want to learn all the new ins and outs of Civ IV. Especially because I didn't care much for the Conquests expansion for Civ III and ended up removing it and playing with just Play The World (along with a significant minority of players).
    But I'll probably break down and get it when the price drops a tad.
    I didn't like it at first... but once I got used to it, it was much more fun than III.
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    Never got into the Civilization games though I've heard they're fun.

    I was a major SimCity addict during 1-3 (and the SNES version), but I absolutely HATE SimCity 4. I was all excited when I bought it but didn't take long to become really disappointed.
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    Quote Originally posted by jread
    Never got into the Civilization games though I've heard they're fun.

    I was a major SimCity addict during 1-3 (and the SNES version), but I absolutely HATE SimCity 4. I was all excited when I bought it but didn't take long to become really disappointed.
    Did you try the Rush Hour expansion pack for it? IMHO it makes SC4 a tad less sucky... and well.. I like SC4, specially because of the regional play... Still, it's way perfectionable...

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    Maister: I think Mastiff answered your questions, but I'll add in my 2 cents on

    I've found that religion can be a really powerful tool to shape the attitude of those around you and a big source of funding if you can get other them to adopt a religion you founded as their "state religion". If you get a religion first try to spread it to neighboring Civs as they are friendlier to civs of the same persuation. My very first game I was the first to discover all of the religions and I couldn't do anything short of declaring war to get anyone even a little angry with me

    I like the unit customizations that you can do. Build a barracks or a military academy and your units from that city get Experience points. After they have collected a certain number of these experience points you can do upgrades. For instance in my latest game I have a stack that is specifically designed to attack cities. Other units can be promoted to be better defensive units against certain types of attack (mounted, melee, archer), to heal more quickly, or to do better in certain types of terrain. I like that you can also upgrade any unit to a more modern one once you have discovered the key tech. It can be expensive, but it is useful at times.

    Make sure you use siege weapons like catapult and cannon when attacking a city. They attack the defenses of the city eventually breaking them down so that the units inside have no defensive bonus from being behind city walls, etc...Otherwise you will lose a lot of units.

    The great people aspect is very useful. Cities that produce a lot of culture produce more great people, as do certain Great Wonders. You can combine great people to do certain things, add them to a city to increase gold or production, use them to discover tech or spread religion, or build certain improvements.

    There are still some weaknesses in the diplomacy. The other Civs (so far) don't have a lot to trade and get offended if they ask you for something as a gift and you don't give it - no matter how much you have done for them in the past. However, their attitude towards you is easily seen by placing your mouse pointer over their leaders name in the list. It shows their overall feeling towards you as well as the positives and negatives (+3 for same religion -2 because you didn't help us when we asked).

    I haven't played as much as I want to, but playing Battlefield has won out over CIV for my limited game time lately.

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