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    Sweden looks to be oil-free within 15 years.

    Sweden plans to be world's first oil-free economy, from (The Guardian)
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    Sweden is to take the biggest energy step of any advanced western economy by trying to wean itself off oil completely within 15 years - without building a new generation of nuclear power stations.

    The attempt by the country of 9 million people to become the world's first practically oil-free economy is being planned by a committee of industrialists, academics, farmers, car makers, civil servants and others, who will report to parliament in several months.

    The intention, the Swedish government said yesterday, is to replace all fossil fuels with renewables before climate change destroys economies and growing oil scarcity leads to huge new price rises.


    I SAY: Good for them, I hope it works and can be an example for us to follow. (But we'll see... there are a great many Stateside that fear anything from a Socialist country...)
    You get all squeezed up inside/Like the days were carved in stone/You get all wired up inside/And it's bad to be alone

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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN
    Sweden plans to be world's first oil-free economy, from (The Guardian)
    LINKY TO ARTICLE

    Sweden is to take the biggest energy step of any advanced western economy by trying to wean itself off oil completely within 15 years - without building a new generation of nuclear power stations.

    The attempt by the country of 9 million people to become the world's first practically oil-free economy is being planned by a committee of industrialists, academics, farmers, car makers, civil servants and others, who will report to parliament in several months.

    The intention, the Swedish government said yesterday, is to replace all fossil fuels with renewables before climate change destroys economies and growing oil scarcity leads to huge new price rises.


    I SAY: Good for them, I hope it works and can be an example for us to follow. (But we'll see... there are a great many Stateside that fear anything from a Socialist country...)
    This is really great for them to be oil-free for fuel, but they would not be totally oil free. oil goes into a lot of our stuff besides gasoline. Either way though, that is a major step and one all countries should aspire to.

    "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

    - Herman GŲring at the Nuremburg trials (thoughts on democracy)

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    do they need planners in sweden?
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    Quote Originally posted by dandy_warhol
    do they need planners in sweden?
    Really! I do know that there are lots of beautiful blondes and no fat people.
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    I donít think that it is up to them all that much unless they start building cars too. Most of their homes are already heated by geothermal heat and most of the electricity is a combination of nuclear and hydro. Most of their oil goes into personal transportation and I think that will be the hardest to change. They could change all the mass public transit into electric or bio-fuel, but I think that there will still be a notable segment of the population that will continue to drive their gasoline-powered cars.
    Not my monkey, not my circus. - Old Polish Proverb

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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis
    I donít think that it is up to them all that much unless they start building cars too. Most of their homes are already heated by geothermal heat and most of the electricity is a combination of nuclear and hydro. Most of their oil goes into personal transportation and I think that will be the hardest to change. They could change all the mass public transit into electric or bio-fuel, but I think that there will still be a notable segment of the population that will continue to drive their gasoline-powered cars.
    Read on, Skis, read on...

    From the final paragraph...:
    The Swedish government is working with carmakers Saab and Volvo to develop cars and lorries that burn ethanol and other biofuels.
    You get all squeezed up inside/Like the days were carved in stone/You get all wired up inside/And it's bad to be alone

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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN
    From the final paragraph...:
    The Swedish government is working with carmakers Saab and Volvo to develop cars and lorries that burn ethanol and other biofuels.
    But from the death of suburbia, all ethanol and other bio fuels are is a shift of the oil from locomotion to production (fertilizer, tractors, refining)
    Too lazy to beat myself up for being to lazy to beat myself up for being too lazy to... well you get the point....

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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN
    Read on, Skis, read on...

    From the final paragraph...:
    The Swedish government is working with carmakers Saab and Volvo to develop cars and lorries that burn ethanol and other biofuels.
    My Bad...

    Do you think that people will buy them, or will they drive gas-powered cars? I know that the next vehicle I buy will be able to burn E-85.
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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis
    My Bad...

    Do you think that people will buy them, or will they drive gas-powered cars? I know that the next vehicle I buy will be able to burn E-85.

    I almost bought an E-85, but the chances to get the fuel are next to nill, and I figured that might be another thing to break. Here is an interesting point though, a 2005 Taurus with E-85 FFV sells for about $1,000 less than a gas only engine.
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    Sweden's government can't even control itself. I laugh at the idea that they can make the country oil-free.
    Recently the Swedish government was forced to admit that they simply had no idea how many government agencies exist. As the major daily papers took up the issue, the Agency for Public Management were given the task of performing an official inquiry to find out how many agencies there were.

    One of the first things the agency did was to call the largest free-market think tank in Sweden, Timbro, and ask whether they knew. Alas, the expansion of public bureaucracy has been so rapid in Sweden that even the opposition to central planning finds it difficult to keep track of things.

    And so the investigation has been going on for a few months. The results that were recently released were shocking to say the least. There are currently 552 government agencies in Sweden, working with important issues such as making sure that those employed by the merchant fleet can consume culture or that we might have "handicraft circuses" (an ongoing project of the committee for handicraft issues).

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