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    Unfrozen Caveman Planner mendelman's avatar
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    Quote Originally posted by Dan
    I see an example of a 1980s zoning code that was written with suburban site planning in mind, where most 1920s-era retail structures would be nonconforming because of their setback, or lack thereof. I'll say it's a use with a suburban, vehicle-oriented site plan that doesn't fit in with the surrounding urban fabric, like a 7-11;...
    Pretty good guess:


    The intersection within the red square is the intersection I referenced. The southwest corner is a single use building (Blockbuster store) with a parking lot property line to property line. The building on the same block to the south is a single use Long John Silver with parking lot. These two buildings occupy one of the most under-developed block in the area. It is about 1 block south of the CTA L stop and Metra commuter rail station. It would be a great location for a mixed use building about 4 stories like this one:

    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

    The ends can justify the means.

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    I'll toss a coin in this pond...

    NW -- Ford Dealership, was on the edge of town when built in 1967 (with showroom architecture to match year...)
    NE -- Former gas station that is now the $9999 and under Used lot for said Ford Dealer
    SE -- Outskirts of the Sam's Club parking lot (said Sam's built in late 1990's) this portion houses the Members Only gas pumps.

    Wha's on the southwest?
    You get all squeezed up inside/Like the days were carved in stone/You get all wired up inside/And it's bad to be alone

    You can go out, you can take a ride/And when you get out on your own/You get all smoothed out inside/And it's good to be alone
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    Quote Originally posted by Dan
    I see an example of a 1980s zoning code that was written with suburban site planning in mind, where most 1920s-era retail structures would be nonconforming because of their setback, or lack thereof. I'll say it's a use with a suburban, vehicle-oriented site plan that doesn't fit in with the surrounding urban fabric, like a 7-11; 20 year old gas station with a HUGE canopy covering a small, rectangular prefabricated building; or a McDonald's.

    Another possibility for illinoisplanner's corner - self storage warehouse.
    Ah the ever popular Suburban Rite-Aid/Eckerd/CVS in the old city downtown.
    @GigCityPlanner

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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN
    NW -- Ford Dealership, was on the edge of town when built in 1967 (with showroom architecture to match year...)
    NE -- Former gas station that is now the $9999 and under Used lot for said Ford Dealer
    SE -- Outskirts of the Sam's Club parking lot (said Sam's built in late 1990's) this portion houses the Members Only gas pumps.

    Wha's on the southwest?
    Sports bar in a heavily refurbished former chain sit-down family restaurant?

    Either that or a newly built Krispy Kreme.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally posted by Dan
    Another possibility for illinoisplanner's corner - self storage warehouse.
    That might be a good idea. There's a lot of industrial nearby.

    The office/medical building might be good too (considering there's a neighborhood full of old people nearby), but I'm thinking they'll keep that stuff to the office park being built behind the Walgreens/strip center.

    I really have no idea what they're going to do with that wide swath of land. It goes back really far. So it could be all residential for all I know.

    Quote Originally posted by mgk920
    Well, the 'evil' side of me says a goth-themed bar , but the 'good' side says a florist shop .

    Real world near where I live:

    (average, safe blue/lower white-collar neighborhood, developed in the 1950s)
    NW - small resale shop/locally-owned salon in a neatly kept 40-50 YO building;
    SW - popular George Webb restaurant (eastern Wisconsin's answer to Waffle House);
    SE - popular locally owned downscale sit-down restaurant, operated by first-gen eastern European immigrants, in a majorly expanded and multiply remodeled building that started its life as a late 1950s 'Golden Aches' McD's;
    NE - (non-residential)???

    (In real life, corner is a SF house with a small greenspace by the intersection, created when the intersection was realigned about 25-30 years ago, the new street alignment used the site of a former gas station/garage for ROW).

    Mike
    A banquet hall or small hotel maybe???
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    Bump....


    NW corner - locally owned hardware store
    SW corner - Wendy's
    NE corner - Shell station
    SE corner - ???
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    Bump....


    NW corner - locally owned hardware store
    SW corner - Wendy's
    NE corner - Shell station
    SE corner - ???
    (sounds like a 1960s/1970s era suburban intersection)

    A 3YO Walgreens built on the site of a defunct FF joint.

    Either that or the area's hoity-toity country club golf course.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    Bump....


    NW corner - locally owned hardware store
    SW corner - Wendy's
    NE corner - Shell station
    SE corner - ???
    Sounds like my city, the actual answer (yes we have this intersection) is a day care center. And it's a Chevron not a Shell

    This is one being planned in our city
    NW In-n-Out Burger
    NE Donut Shop
    SW LA Fitness
    SE ?

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    Quote Originally posted by dvdneal View post
    Sounds like my city, the actual answer (yes we have this intersection) is a day care center. And it's a Chevron not a Shell

    This is one being planned in our city
    NW In-n-Out Burger
    NE Donut Shop
    SW LA Fitness
    SE ?
    All sound pretty auto-oriented (yes LA Fitness-have you seen the parking lots of those places at peak times?!)

    SE-Car Wash


    One in my Town

    NE-Shopping Center, Grocery Anchor
    SW-Small residential development where the homes are squeezed on the lots
    SE-Medical Office
    NW-?
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    Quote Originally posted by beach_bum View post
    All sound pretty auto-oriented (yes LA Fitness-have you seen the parking lots of those places at peak times?!)

    SE-Car Wash


    One in my Town

    NE-Shopping Center, Grocery Anchor
    SW-Small residential development where the homes are squeezed on the lots
    SE-Medical Office
    NW-?
    NW - a bank (must have a drive-thru).

    Scenario:
    NE - well-maintained four square home (constructed circa 1918)
    SE - Victorian 'gingerbread' -style home (constructed circa 1900)
    SW - upscale beauty salon
    NW - ??
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    Scenario:
    NE - well-maintained four square home (constructed circa 1918)
    SE - Victorian 'gingerbread' -style home (constructed circa 1900)
    SW - upscale beauty salon
    NW - ??
    NW: In a well-maintained bunglaow (c. 1928): a coffee shop front/title company rear

    Here's an actual one from my 'burg's CBD (hint: it's the 100% corner):

    NE: Bank branch (c. 1970s)
    SE: Bank branch (c. 1960s)
    SW: Bank HQ and Class "A" rental space in five stories (built 2000)

    NW: -- ??
    Je suis Charlie

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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    Scenario:
    NE - well-maintained four square home (constructed circa 1918)
    SE - Victorian 'gingerbread' -style home (constructed circa 1900)
    SW - upscale beauty salon
    NW - ??
    Definitely a law office.

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    This is really fun in a planner-geek way!

    NW: Funeral Home
    SW: Shell Station/Circle K
    SE: Old 1980's Chase Bank
    NE: ??

    Intersection of a 4 lane US Hwy and a 2 lane State Hwy in a growing suburb.

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    Rural Wisconsin County Highway Crossroads (Utica WI, as an example)

    Church-------------------------------------Bar





    Bar------------------------------------------Gas station


    Rural Kentucky County Highway Crossroads

    Church-------------------------------------House





    Gas Station-------------------------------Church



    Which State is in a better mood?
    I can't deliver UTOPIA, but I can create a HELL for you to LIVE in :)DoD:(

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    Quote Originally posted by Duke Of Dystopia View post
    Rural Wisconsin County Highway Crossroads (Utica WI, as an example)

    Church-------------------------------------Bar





    Bar------------------------------------------Gas station


    Rural Kentucky County Highway Crossroads

    Church-------------------------------------House





    Gas Station-------------------------------Church



    Which State is in a better mood?
    Wisconsin without question!

    Best tip of advice I ever got was never live in a place where there are more churches than bars.





    Real World Example

    NW, Strip Mall with Franchise Pizza Restaurant, Starbucks, and Barbershop (Ramada Inn is connected to it too)
    NE, Stand alone Krispy Kream in mall parking lot
    SE, Specially Gift Shop geared to Ireland
    SW=????
    "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. Time makes more converts than reason." - Thomas Paine Common Sense.

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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    Wisconsin without question!

    Best tip of advice I ever got was never live in a place where there are more churches than bars.





    Real World Example

    NW, Strip Mall with Franchise Pizza Restaurant, Starbucks, and Barbershop (Ramada Inn is connected to it too)
    NE, Stand alone Krispy Kream in mall parking lot
    SE, Specially Gift Shop geared to Ireland
    SW=????
    I have no idea. I seldom get out to the intersection of 28th and E. Beltline.
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    Quote Originally posted by illinoisplanner View post

    OK...here's a real intersection near me (exurban area):
    (NW) - old farm, zoned for industrial or office park
    (NE) - regional trucking center
    (SW) - Walgreen's/Hair Cuttery/indep. pizza place/Baskin Robbins-Dunkin' Donuts/Deli/Cleaners/Chase Bank/7-11-Citgo/Domino's/Century 21 (all very new)
    (SE) - ???
    Well, Dan suggested a self storage warehouse or a small medical building, Mendelman suggested a fast food restaurant.

    Well, I have an update for you all. Guess what actually did develop at the SE corner?





    A Wal-Mart Supercenter...with a small retail strip building and an NTB tire place in front.
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    Toledo, 1978

    OK, this Bear will play along......betcha nobody gets this one.....

    It was a busy corner in Toledo, in my old neighborhood.

    NE - Older 2-story building, had a ceramic shop on the ground floor.
    SE - Sunoco gasoline station
    SW - 7/11
    NW - ???

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    Quote Originally posted by Bear Up North View post
    OK, this Bear will play along......betcha nobody gets this one.....

    It was a busy corner in Toledo, in my old neighborhood.

    NE - Older 2-story building, had a ceramic shop on the ground floor.
    SE - Sunoco gasoline station
    SW - 7/11
    NW - ???

    Bear
    Either a BLUE bookstore or an Army Recruitment Center?
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    Quote Originally posted by Bear Up North View post
    OK, this Bear will play along......betcha nobody gets this one.....

    It was a busy corner in Toledo, in my old neighborhood.

    NE - Older 2-story building, had a ceramic shop on the ground floor.
    SE - Sunoco gasoline station
    SW - 7/11
    NW - ???

    Bear
    I'm going with a Walgreen's or CVS - they're everywhere.

    Another good one in a retirement community - this is just about every corner
    NW - bank
    NE - investment company
    SE - Walgreens
    SW?

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    TEXAS STYLE Fill in the missing land use #1:

    NE corner: used tire store
    NW corner: small 1970s strip plaza with a restaurant called "Mariscos Pendejos", a check-cashing store, DISCOS MEXICANAS, and a hair salon. Each storefront is pained a different bright color, and each sign is a different type; box, channel letters and painted plywood. Next door is another used tire store.
    SE corner: 1970s-era building that used to house a 7-11 but is now an independent convenience store called "Rapido Mart", along with ROPAS USADA in an adjacent storefront, and a roach coach.
    SW corner: ????

    Quote Originally posted by dvdneal View post
    I'm going with a Walgreen's or CVS - they're everywhere.

    Another good one in a retirement community - this is just about every corner
    NW - bank
    NE - investment company
    SE - Walgreens
    SW?
    I'll go with a Denny's, Village Inn, IHOP, or someplace similar. The other option is a competing pharmacy, in this case a Rite Aid or CVS if it's a Walgreens.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dan View post
    TEXAS STYLE Fill in the missing land use #1:

    NE corner: used tire store
    NW corner: small 1970s strip plaza with a restaurant called "Mariscos Pendejos", a check-cashing store, DISCOS MEXICANAS, and a hair salon. Each storefront is pained a different bright color, and each sign is a different type; box, channel letters and painted plywood. Next door is another used tire store.
    SE corner: 1970s-era building that used to house a 7-11 but is now an independent convenience store called "Rapido Mart", along with ROPAS USADA in an adjacent storefront, and a roach coach.
    SW corner: ????
    This may be a bit 'unPC', but I'd go with a gravelly vacant lot (site of an abandoned gas station/garage) often used by black velvet painting and/or fresh veggie vendors.

    Next up....

    NE - A 30+ YO Pizza Hut
    NW - A popular family-owned Chinese buffet in a fairly large defunct FF restaurant building, next door to a 15-20 YO Walgreens
    SW - A gas station/C-store
    SE - ???



    Mike

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    Quote Originally posted by mgk920 View post
    Thi
    ext up....

    NE - A 30+ YO Pizza Hut
    NW - A popular family-owned Chinese buffet in a fairly large defunct FF restaurant building, next door to a 15-20 YO Walgreens
    SW - A gas station/C-store
    SE - ???
    I'm going to go with one of the following:

    1) Firestone, Midas, Tuffy, or other chain auto repair establishment.
    2) Arby's. Not just a regular Arby's, but an old one with big hat sign.
    3) Plain 1980s-style strip plaza with a Blockbuster Video as an anchor.
    Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. -- Edward Abbey

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    What a cool thread! Thanks for bumping it, Maister.

    Bear said 1978, so I couldn't resist....
    Quote Originally posted by Bear Up North View post
    OK, this Bear will play along......betcha nobody gets this one.....

    It was a busy corner in Toledo, in my old neighborhood.

    NE - Older 2-story building, had a ceramic shop on the ground floor.
    SE - Sunoco gasoline station
    SW - 7/11
    NW - ???

    Bear
    NW - One of the following:

    (1) A Fortune 500 company that either moved or no longer exists.()
    (2) Westgate Shopping Center (R.I.P.)
    (3) Bear's childhood home.()
    (4) Frogtown's

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    In the south....where ever two roads intersect....you will see...a Baptist Church...on at least one corner. That's life. I can't add anymore to this thread.

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