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    Who really WON the Vietnam War?

    A leftist rant, perhaps. But, this article nonetheless makes an interesting point: Ultimately, the U.S. system WON the Vietnam War. At least as far as Vietnam becoming a "platform" for multinational companies's never ceasing demand for cheap, cowable labor. of course, as China is the new powerhouse in manufacturing, Chinese companies will benefit the most from Vietnamese labor.

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    [Left minded anti war activist] In war, there are no winners, only losers. Give peace a chance! Can’t we all be friends? [/Left minded anti war activist]

    Interesting article and I think that it does bring up some good points that I had never realized. Not sure that I agree with any of it...but there are some good points.
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    Nobody won.

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    We may call wars 'just' or 'unjust' 'right' or 'wrong' but is there such a thing as "winning" simply because one side or the other emerges on top? Doesn't one victory inevitably lead to yet another conflict in some other time or place. Hell, we're still fighting WWI

    Philosophizing aside, I recall hearing an interview with some North Vietnamese general and he said Americans were fated to lose before they even began because they never really understood the conflict. The US insisted on viewing the conflict as an ideological battle between democracy and communism (Cold War ya know). Vietnamese north and south viewed the conflict first as a war for independence (which would certainly account for the South's lack of enthusiasm/questionable loyalties) and considerations of ideology were purely secondary. Whether one entirely agrees with this perspective or not, one must admit it contains at least a kernel of truth.
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    hilosophizing aside, I recall hearing an interview with some North Vietnamese general and he said Americans were fated to lose before they even began because they never really understood the conflict. The US insisted on viewing the conflict as an ideological battle between democracy and communism (Cold War ya know). Vietnamese north and south viewed the conflict first as a war for independence (which would certainly account for the South's lack of enthusiasm/questionable loyalties) and considerations of ideology were purely secondary. Whether one entirely agrees with this perspective or not, one must admit it contains at least a kernel of truth.
    I believe in the documentary The Fog of War, Robert Mcnamara talks about this in a meeting he had with a North Vietnamese person years after the war. To illustrate the importance of independence there is a war memorial in Vietnam that displays all of the wars the Vietnamese have fought, the US war has a small space on that memorial. I think I remember that correctly.

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    ahh, but it wasn't a War, it was a "Conflict"

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    The military-industrial complex won.
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    Quote Originally posted by mendelman
    The military-industrial complex won.
    Bingo! correct answer!!!!!!

    as I recommended earlier, Watch the documentary "Why We Fight" for more on the growing power of the military industrial complex and how Eisenhower warned us about it as he was leaving office.

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    Vietnam

    A good, somewhat dated, perspective is the book "Fire on the Lake." One thing though, if leaning from mistakes is "winning" if only in perspective, we lost, BIG TIME.
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