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    Cyburbian Tom R's avatar
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    Curtains vs. Euclid

    It's curtains for where a landmark zoning case was born. [sigh]

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    Quote Originally posted by Tom R
    It's curtains for where a landmark zoning case was born. [sigh]
    OK, I doubt this is defensible. Public HEALTH, SAFETY and WELFARE.... Where does this fit in?
    "And all this terrible change had come about because he had ceased to believe himself and had taken to believing others. " - Leo Tolstoy

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    Six months in jail for covering your window with a blanket? Wow, I thought that my friend's parents were strict.
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    Wow.....

    Isn't this the definition of "Fashion Police?" oh and

    Cleveland State University Law Professor Alan Weinstein - I think this guy is a genius! I spoke with him at length about a new Sexually Oriented Business ordinance and am REALLY impressed!!! In fact, he should be near the top of any planners list when seeking advice on legal issues.....anywhere in the Country....
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    Well, I recall Dan as saying Cleveland's suburbs are incredibly persnickety when it comes to code enforcement. This is pretty strict.

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    I think that Stan needs to send sympathy card to Codes Administrator in Euclid.
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    Weinstein

    I agree with you there and he is accessible, answers emails and stuff.
    Quote Originally posted by The One
    Isn't this the definition of "Fashion Police?" oh and

    Cleveland State University Law Professor Alan Weinstein - I think this guy is a genius! I spoke with him at length about a new Sexually Oriented Business ordinance and am REALLY impressed!!! In fact, he should be near the top of any planners list when seeking advice on legal issues.....anywhere in the Country....
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    Quote Originally posted by Budgie
    OK, I doubt this is defensible. Public HEALTH, SAFETY and WELFARE.... Where does this fit in?
    That's the next step - protecting the Health, Safety, Welfare and Good Taste of the Public. APA is always looking for ways to expand our horizons...
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    This is a potentially legal ordinance. It involves appearance from public rights of way, the same as colors, design, roof material, junk in the yard, etc. And it addresses an issue that could potentially lower the value of all surrounding properties. I would want an exceptional city attorney before passing it. The background information and findings made before passage would have to be very compelling. It would also be helpful to be in the 9th circuit (very liberal west coast appelate court circuit).

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    Quote Originally posted by Wulf9
    This is a potentially legal ordinance. It involves appearance from public rights of way, the same as colors, design, roof material, junk in the yard, etc. And it addresses an issue that could potentially lower the value of all surrounding properties. I would want an exceptional city attorney before passing it. The background information and findings made before passage would have to be very compelling. It would also be helpful to be in the 9th circuit (very liberal west coast appelate court circuit).
    Agreed. I see this as a an extension of typical design standards that have generally been upheld. While a little persnicketty - on a basic level how is this different than requirements for roof and window types?

    Or especially ordinances regulating the height of people's lawns?

    On the flip side- if this ordinance were to be challenged and overturned. It could possibly set an interesting precedent on the limit of regulatory authority.

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    Time for the MP and The Holy Grail reference -

    Father: One day, lad, all this will be yours!
    Erbert: What, the curtains?
    Father: No, not the curtains, lad. ....
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    Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
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    I guess we'll just have to wait and see where the rational nexus lies.
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    So what's next, regulating the color of appliances or upholstery? You can see those from the street, too. I'm sure avocado green offends somebody....

    I sure hope my county doesn't pass a law against non-matching patio furniture!

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    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess
    So what's next, regulating the color of appliances or upholstery?
    Nope, the next step is a minimum television size or minimum vehicle size.
    "And all this terrible change had come about because he had ceased to believe himself and had taken to believing others. " - Leo Tolstoy

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    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess
    ...I sure hope my county doesn't pass a law against non-matching patio furniture!
    Same here (you've seen my patio furniture ). But mine is not visible from the public right-of-way. Yaaa!

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    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess
    So what's next, regulating the color of appliances or upholstery? You can see those from the street, too.
    If your appropriately colored curtains are drawn, you can't see the mismatched appliances. That's Euclidian logic.

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