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    Finally An Honest Politician

    Scandal in Hungary! Prime minister tells the truth!

    You can read the full speech here, but here are the best, juiciest parts.

    If I am honest with you, I can say that we are full of doubts. That torment and anguish are behind the self-assurance. I can tell you exactly that all that we are doing will not be perfect...

    We did what we could in the past month. We did whatever was possible to do in secret in the preceding months, making sure that papers on what we were preparing for would not surface in the last weeks of the election campaign.

    We kept the secret, while we knew and you did too, that if the election victory comes, we will have to seriously settle down to work and that we have never had such a problem.

    SCREWING UP

    Since last summer we have been preserving our political unity and, behind it, our professional political unity as never before in recent years...

    There is not much choice. There is not, because we have screwed up. Not a little but a lot. No country in Europe has screwed up as much as we have. It can be explained. We have obviously lied throughout the past 18 to 24 months. It was perfectly clear that what we were saying was not true.

    We are beyond the country's possibilities to such an extent that we could not conceive earlier that a joint government of the Socialists and the liberals would ever do. And in the meantime we did not actually do anything for four years. Nothing.

    You cannot mention any significant government measures that we can be proud of, apart from the fact that in the end we managed to get governance out of the ****. Nothing. If we have to give an account to the country of what we have done in four years, what are we going to say?

    Naturally, the government's work is not constructed nicely, calmly or scrupulously. No. No. It is being prepared at a mad break-neck speed because we could not do it for a while in case it came to light, and now we have to do it so desperately that we are almost at the breaking point. And then we end up falling over because we cannot keep up the pace. This is the situation. In the meantime, we still have to come to an agreement with the free democrats because we still have ministerial problems - you know.

    Look. The point is that there are no options in the short-term. [Finance Minister] Jani [Janos] Veres is right. We can dither a little longer but not much. The moment of truth has arrived quickly.

    Divine providence, the abundance of cash in the world economy, and hundreds of tricks, which you do not have to be aware of publicly, have helped us to survive this. This cannot go on. Cannot. And of course we can ponder for a long time, and a shitload of analyses can be carried out as to how each social group will be affected, this is what I can say to you.

    [...]

    I will only repeat this once at most: it is fantastic to be in politics. Fantastic. It is fantastic to run a country. Personally, I have been able to go through the past 18 months because one thing has inspired and fuelled me: to give back its faith to the left, that it can do it and it can win. That the left does not have to lower its head in this bloody country. That it does not have to **** its pants from Viktor Orban [chairman of opposition Fidesz - Hungarian Civic Alliance] or the right, and it should learn to measure itself against the world, rather than them.

    [...]

    Instead, we lied morning, noon and night. I do not want to carry on with this. Either we do it and have the personnel for it, or others will do it. I will never give an interview at the end of which we part with each other in argument. Never. I will never hurt the Hungarian left. Never.
    The collapse of Soviet-style socialism took the world completely by surprise, and happened in a similarly pathetic surrender of the authorities. What we are seeing now was the long inevitable collapse of democratic-style socialism. They admit it, they just don't ****in' know what they're doing, just as Mises has always said.

    If Hungary has a future, it will more likely be by the rule of Otto von Habsburg (a member of the Mont-Pelerin society alongside Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman) than another team of democrats.

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    Isn't the brush you paint all "democratic-style socialism" with, a bit broad?

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    Quote Originally posted by iamme View post
    Isn't the brush you paint all "democratic-style socialism" with, a bit broad?
    No. Socialism is a policy of aggression against private property rights and freedom of exchange. Democratic-style socialism is such a policy brought about through the democratic process. It doesn't matter what the politicians (Republicans, Democrats, social-democrats, "liberals", conservatives, etc) are trying to accomplish, it will all fail for the same reasons.

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    Ah yes. Kings will save us all. Why kings, Jaws? Why not a hereditary priesthood, with everyone else slaves to the Godhead? After all, the Pharoah's tombs were sure cool looking!

    History is so full of the inevitable glories of monarchy. There have never been bad kings, unfair monarchs, corrupt aristocrats. There's never been a monarch who didn't baknkrupt his state.

    If we were only subjects and slaves, everything would be well.

    I got it: The real Vulgar Libertarian Ideal: Maybe large corporations can OWN their employees as serfs or slaves? That's the solution!

    No. Socialism is a policy of aggression against private property rights and freedom of exchange. Democratic-style socialism is such a policy brought about through the democratic process. It doesn't matter what the politicians (Republicans, Democrats, social-democrats, "liberals", conservatives, etc) are trying to accomplish, it will all fail for the same reasons.
    Better to have the priests own everything. We don't need private property at all.

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    Quote Originally posted by BKM View post
    Ah yes. Kings will save us all. Why kings, Jaws? Why not a hereditary priesthood, with everyone else slaves to the Godhead? After all, the Pharoah's tombs were sure cool looking!

    History is so full of the inevitable glories of monarchy. There have never been bad kings, unfair monarchs, corrupt aristocrats. There's never been a monarch who didn't baknkrupt his state.

    If we were only subjects and slaves, everything would be well.

    I got it: The real Vulgar Libertarian Ideal: Maybe large corporations can OWN their employees as serfs or slaves? That's the solution!



    Better to have the priests own everything. We don't need private property at all.
    What are you talking about?

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    Does this mean that the Stephen Colbert bridge won't be built? Bummer!

    Oh well I just hope Hungary rebounds...

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    Quote Originally posted by otterpop View post
    Please refrain from throwing the poop back at the monkey. It only encourages him.
    I know better. I really do.

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    Quote Originally posted by BKM View post
    I know better. I really do.
    So what was that rant about priesthood and slavery and corporations and aristocracy?

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    Which one's the monkey again?
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    Off-topic:
    Quote Originally posted by jordanb View post
    Off-topic:
    Which one's the monkey again?
    guffaw....hah...sorry BKM...this was kinda dead-on.
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    Quote Originally posted by jaws View post
    So what was that rant about priesthood and slavery and corporations and aristocracy?
    You have in the past advocated nations being the private property of monarchs (see the original post about some decrepit remnant of Habsbugs automatically being the best person to "rule" Hungary). You love Neil Stephenson, whose world of corporate empires and tribes of roving, roaming corporate warriors and utterly privatized everything seems appealing to you.

    The priesthood was my own invention, just an extrapolation-since there is no justification other that religion and pure warlordism for the aristocraices and monarchies of Ye Olde Europe, why not just cut out the middlemen and give the power directly to the God-King and his priests, a la Ancient Egypt? It did last a long time, after all.

    Off-topic:
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    Originally posted by jordanb
    Off-topic:
    Which one's the monkey again?


    guffaw....hah...sorry BKM...this was kinda dead-on.

    Phtttppppppppppp!

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    Quote Originally posted by BKM View post
    You have in the past advocated nations being the private property of monarchs (see the original post about some decrepit remnant of Habsbugs automatically being the best person to "rule" Hungary). You love Neil Stephenson, whose world of corporate empires and tribes of roving, roaming corporate warriors and utterly privatized everything seems appealing to you.
    I only advocate liberty and prosperity. The people of Hungary thought that was what they were getting when they dumped the communists, but they made a mistake. They got more socialism and decay instead. So did nearly all the former communist states (with the happy exception of Estonia).

    Otto von Habsburg is a better man, more educated, more sophisticated and more righteous, than any political party has ever had as leader. Of course he has no chance of being elected through the democratic process, because in the democratic process it is irrelevant how good a man you are. What matters is that if you can say with a straight face that to fix the deficit crisis you will cut taxes and raise bureaucrat's wages, you will be re-elected, as mr. Gyurcsany has shown. That's why nothing good will ever come from democracy.

    Never mind my reasons for supporting the Habsburgs. Why would you defend democracy? What good does it do?
    The priesthood was my own invention, just an extrapolation-since there is no justification other that religion and pure warlordism for the aristocraices and monarchies of Ye Olde Europe, why not just cut out the middlemen and give the power directly to the God-King and his priests, a la Ancient Egypt?
    If you're looking for a justification, what's the justification for democracy and national states? What gives the U.S. president the right to rule Hawaii or California? Pure warlordism as well.

    The only justifiable system of government is individual sovereignty, but people complain it's too anarchic, so what choice does that leave me? I have to back the House of Habsburg.

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    I wonder what Fidel would think about all of this?
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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    I wonder what Fidel would think about all of this?
    Maybe all politicians should wear WWFD wrist bands...

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