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Poll results: Are you a member of the APA?

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  • Yes, and I find it beneficial.

    10 31.25%
  • Yes, but only to pump up my resume.

    12 37.50%
  • Yes, but I am thinking of terminating my membership.

    5 15.63%
  • No, I never have been a member.

    2 6.25%
  • Not anymore. I didn't get any benefit of being a member.

    2 6.25%
  • No, but I am thinking of joining/rejoining.

    1 3.13%
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Thread: To be or not to be in the APA

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    Cyburbian IlliniPlanner's avatar
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    To be or not to be in the APA

    I have seen posts in the past from Cyburbia members regarding the APA and its usefulness and wanted to get an idea from you whether you have a current membership. After reading some threads in the past, it got me to thinking, is there a benefit? Thoughts?
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    when given a choice between ULI and APA (paid for by my employer), i went with ULI. but i'm in the private sector, so that might be a consideration. i don't think APA is that helpful for me.

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    Quote Originally posted by IlliniPlanner View post
    I have seen posts in the past from Cyburbia members regarding the APA and its usefulness and wanted to get an idea from you whether you have a current membership. After reading some threads in the past, it got me to thinking, is there a benefit? Thoughts?
    APA has the only certification out there right now, but for me that is about where its usefulness ends. I prefer the content, etc. from ULI. If ULI ever offers an equivelent certification, APA is in serious trouble.

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    IP - Please send me your poll choices, as when I merged the multiple threads, the poll was lost. I will recreate the thread with the poll once you send me the options. Thanks.
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    Yeah....

    ULI if you are a developer, broker, real estate agent or land use law attorney....
    APA if you are in the public sector....and AICP.....
    I used to belong to a host of Geography groups and planning related orgs. until I went into the private sector and had to pay for all of them.....the only one I kept was APA/AICP. My last employer paid for ULI, but my new rural job won't (rightly so) because there just ain't anything "urban" about it. I've seen very little interest from ULI for "rural" interests, for the obvious reason

    It seems to me that ULI is more redevelopment oriented and downtown/urban core type stuff. If that is what you do, ULI is the group to be with.

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    Quote Originally posted by IlliniPlanner View post
    I have seen posts in the past from Cyburbia members regarding the APA and its usefulness and wanted to get an idea from you whether you have a current membership. After reading some threads in the past, it got me to thinking, is there a benefit? Thoughts?
    My membership is up in December and I can't decide if I will stay a member. I work in a rural setting now and my employer won't pay for it. I think APA is to academic although I like some of the legal articles. I'm moderate when it comes to politics and I think APA is just to far on the left wing for me to gain any knowlege from the magazine.

    If only Cyburbia had an AICP
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    ULI if you are a developer, broker, real estate agent or land use law attorney....
    APA if you are in the public sector....and AICP.....
    I think that this notion is part of the bigger picture "planner identity" problem. Philosphically and putting aside their perceived value, Planners, both public and private, should be members of both organizations. APA should not just represent public planners; ULI is an exceptional resource for what all planners are involved in day to day--the built community.

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    APA Poll

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    Reinserted poll after it was lost in thread merge.
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    I've been in APA since college, first cause the student membership was pretty cheap and I thought it was necessary to have that on my resume when I did go looking for a job. And ever since, employers have paid for it. Now I'm AICP, so I guess I have to keep my APA membership forever, even if it means paying out of pocket in the future.

    I find the Planning magazine interesting, but you can search their job board and stuff without having membership.

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    I am a member of APA, but mainly because work pays for it.

    I find about 1/2 of their info/publications useful, but will need to stay a member to become AICP.

    I will join ULI in the near future though.
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    I'm a member of both, but only in APA because of my AICP cert. ULI is far more educational I think. I get more out of one edition of Urban Land than I do out of Planning Magazine. Plus, ULI conferences are better. I do think that ULI has a lot to offer public sector planners because you get viewpoints from various players, not just those on the planning side.

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    Quote Originally posted by cch View post
    I've been in APA since college, first cause the student membership was pretty cheap and I thought it was necessary to have that on my resume when I did go looking for a job. And ever since, employers have paid for it. Now I'm AICP, so I guess I have to keep my APA membership forever, even if it means paying out of pocket in the future.

    I find the Planning magazine interesting, but you can search their job board and stuff without having membership.
    Pretty much describes my situation except I'm never paying for membership out of my pocket.

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    I would rather be in ULI as I find it much more useful for planning in the DC area. APA does not impress me thus Im only a member due to work paying.
    Alas work will not pay for ULI membership
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    I'm with the I'm a member of APA/AICP because my work pays for it. Plus, I have to be in APA because of AICP. I'm in AICP because it looks good on a resume. Beyond this, I found APA to be expensive and not much good. They're also more than a little bureaucratic and political, which is ironic. Most of us spend our days fighting both of these.
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    I've been a member since 1993, AICP since 2001. Employer pays.

    I voted beneficial, purely because of the fine work of my Chapter. Other than national conferences, APA National doesn't do much for me.
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    APA is Just OK

    Since I am AICP I'm kind of locked in. However, the organization is very badly run, is too expensive for what you get, takes political positions that many of its members disagree with, and can just generally be annoying. It does, however, publish some good stuff that is worth getting and is good for networking at the state level. A mixed bag, all in all.

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    Hmmm....

    ULI and APA should join forces, wouldn't that be cool? Joint membership with AICP as the certification wing.....maybe rename it to CLP, Certified Land Planner or Certified Urban & Land Planner CULP, or even CRAP, Certified Regional Area Planner.........he he he.....
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    I got my AICP in '92. Gave it up a few years ago when my employer screwed up the payment and refused to pay a late fee. No regrets.

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    I just downloaded the info for AICP certification. It will look snazzy on my resume, but I don't feel a huge benefit from national or state APA. Our local section, however, is fantastic.

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    Cyburbian DetroitPlanner's avatar
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    I'm AICP, work no longer pays for it, but they used to. A round of cost cuttings a few years back dropped this benefit, and it has yet to resurface.
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    I am a member and the state chapter makes it benifical(sp?) could be more responsive but you get out what the membership puts in. I like the ULI and even the CNU. I would be members off all three and i can only justify the APA because of my AICP.

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