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    Wrong Song or Wrong Singer?

    Maister brought up an interesting point regarding music. Some people and some songs deserve to be in the RRHOF, some should not have ever been recorded.

    Some songs were sung by what could have been very talented people, but the song it self destroyed there career. Then there are some song writers who have created phenomenal songs and are true musical poets, but they can’t sing a note to save their lives.

    Songs such as “I’m too sexy” “I’m a Barbie Girl” (Z-man’s favorite), and “The Macarena” are the thorn in some performers sides. They may be able to do another song better than anyone else, yet their legacy will be judge on something that destroyed there career.

    On the flip side,

    Some songs are just sung by the wrong person, but are phenomenal songs. The one name that comes to mind the most is Bob Dylan. This guy sucks at singing... but his words are so good, that we overlook it.

    What are some other examples that you can think of? What do you think of REM or the Beastie Boys?
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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    .... The one name that comes to mind the most is Bob Dillon. This guy sucks at singing... but his words are so good, that we overlook it....
    I hear ya. Bob Dylan can't sing worth squat, either.
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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    “I’m a Barbie Girl” (Z-man’s favorite),
    Last time I tell you anything in confidence, ass...

    What do you think of [snip]the Beastie Boys?
    I F**^ing HATE the Beastie Boys. Pathetic excuses for "artist" if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN View post



    I F**^ing HATE the Beastie Boys. Pathetic excuses for "artist" if you ask me.


    Booooooooo!!!!

    Beastie Boys are incredible artists IMO.

    REM sucks though.

    Bob Dylan is a great example. He has some incredible songs and his voice is strange enough to be sort of cool. All along the Watchtower is a Bob Dylan song but clearly was done much much better by someone else.

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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN View post
    I F**^ing HATE the Beastie Boys. Pathetic excuses for "artist" if you ask me.
    WTF? You really are crazy. The Beasties are great. I think any artist that spans generations is good. I think one of the first albums I ever bought was the Beastie Boys. I grabbed my 12 year old cousins ipod when he was in town over the summer and sure enough, he had the beastie boys on there.

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    Licensed to Ill is still selling tons, and it is 20 years old. Beastie Boys are great. I don't care how depressed or lazy I may get, I am always happy when I listen to their songs, whether it is their old stuff or their newer stuff. It is all so fun to dance to. Man, I wish I had one of their CDs here at work now. As for REM, their older stuff (especially songs on Document and Green) are wonderful, but by the time they got to Automatic for the People I wasn't loving them as much anymore. They still totally deserve to be in the RRHOF, though.

    Back to the original discussion... I love Van Morrison songs, but I really hate his voice.

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    Quote Originally posted by cch View post
    Licensed to Ill is still selling tons, and it is 20 years old. Beastie Boys are great.
    Licence to Ill is awesome, the album actually has very little "rap" but more lines over loops and some lyric-less tunes. I credit the Beasties with a lot paving the way for many other rap artists and MCs and really bringing rap to white suburbia.

    FWIW:
    Licence to Ill 9 times Platinum
    All other Beastie Albums only 2 or 3 Times Platinum

    Back on topic....

    I'm usually not good at thinking of songs, especailly when I'm listening to others. But it's amazing when you hear about a song that was supposed to go to another group or some group that received a gift of singing a song that another group turned down, this happened a lot more in the 50s - 70s than now I'm sure.
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    RE: Beastie Boys...

    You're all out of it. I am not proud that they come from the USA.

    Ducks, Runs...
    You get all squeezed up inside/Like the days were carved in stone/You get all wired up inside/And it's bad to be alone

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    Maybe not exactly the same thing, but yeah, it's funny how Leonard Bernstein wrote lots of 'serious' classical music over a lifetime, but will always be remembered for writing the score of "West Side Story"
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    Quote Originally posted by cch View post
    As for REM, their older stuff (especially songs on Document and Green) are wonderful, but by the time they got to Automatic for the People I wasn't loving them as much anymore. They still totally deserve to be in the RRHOF, though.
    Thanks cch- I was trying to remember a couple of their earlier records. AftP was too commercial.
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    Quote Originally posted by cch View post

    Back to the original discussion... I love Van Morrison songs, but I really hate his voice.

    Really? I love his voice. I think he has one of the greatest voices for an artist in the last 30 years.

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    Kris Kristopherson isn't a very good singer, but he is an excellent song writer. I always find it interesting to play multiple versions of the same songs. There are different interpretations and deliveries that reflect the performers talents. For instance, Kris Kristoperhsons recording of Bobbi McGee, starts out with him saying that "it's a country song", but of course Janis Joplin made it popular as a rock song before Kris recorded it. The song was written by Kris but Janis made it come alive.
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    I know it was kind of the point, but I find listening to the Sex Pistols kind of painful. I get the importance of the lyrics, and the noise, but Johnny Rotten is a terrible singer.



    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN View post
    I F**^ing HATE the Beastie Boys. Pathetic excuses for "artist" if you ask me.
    What? Were you alive in 1987? I remember how big of a deal License to Ill was. Regardless of the fact that I had no idea what it was the Beasties were rapping/singing/talking about. And Check Your Head still gets into my CD rotation.

    Now let me tell you what I think about Geddy Lee.


    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner
    REM sucks though.
    It doesn't take too long to get tired of Michael Stip's whining, but I'd say that Murmur and Life's Rich Pageant are two of the best, and dare I say important, alternative rock albums of the 1980's.
    Last edited by biscuit; 03 Nov 2006 at 4:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally posted by Budgie View post
    Kris Kristopherson isn't a very good singer, but he is an excellent song writer. I always find it interesting to play multiple versions of the same songs. There are different interpretations and deliveries that reflect the performers talents. For instance, Kris Kristoperhsons recording of Bobbi McGee, starts out with him saying that "it's a country song", but of course Janis Joplin made it popular as a rock song before Kris recorded it. The song was written by Kris but Janis made it come alive.
    Kris is a better actor than a signer, but he is a better writer than an actor. (and he is a damn good actor)

    I think that there are a lot of these cases out there. The country group Big n' Rich are producers/ song writers who have behind some of the best new country acts, yet as singers, I am not impressed.

    Then there are people like Justin Timberlake who suck at both.
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    Joe Cocker and Randy Newman should have never sung anything, anywhere, anytime.

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    Beastie's are the truly innovative!! Though some of the albums after Licence to Ill are truly only one-hit wonder per album, you have to dig the sound.

    Though I have to say the group "Disturbed" who redid the mid-80's song Land of Confusion did a kick-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaass job of it. MAYBE they should have sung it first?
    Forechecking is overrated.

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    Quote Originally posted by biscuit View post
    What? Were you alive in 1987? I remember how big of a deal License to Ill was. Regardless of the fact that I had no idea what it was the Beasties were rapping/singing/talking about. And Check Your Head still gets into my CD rotation.

    Now let me tell you what I think about Geddy Lee.
    In 1987 I was turning 6 years old. I was raised in the suburbs of Denver where many of the people around me knew of this "revolution" called the Beastie Boys. I was not allowed to watch MTV while growing up, so I was extremely limited in what I was exposed to.

    I know what many, including my furute wife, think of Geddy Lee. His voice gets to me too. And I was wondering when Rush would take a shot via the comments I have been making.

    Listen to what you want, guys.
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    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess View post
    Joe Cocker and Randy Newman should have never sung anything, anywhere, anytime.
    But John Belushi singing Joe Cocker is priceless

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    What a great video.....Belushi looking more like Cocker than Cocker.

    Katie is 15 years younger than this Bear so she really doesn't know much about Joe Cocker's legendary stage performances. I will have to pull out my VHS tape of Woodstock and show her Joe Cocker's bit.
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    I have a good-sized collection of Van Morrison albums. His voice has always been great.....and you can really hear the changes slide-in over the years. Listen to Van Morrison's early work with Them (a rock and roll group). Then grab a recent jazz-oriented Morrison CD. World of difference, but both oh so good.
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    I have a Frank Sinatra box set from the 1940's, doing vocal work with some big bands. Comparing that early Sinatra to his later works, such as early-1960's "Songs For Swinging Lovers" is interesting. Is that the same guy?
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    I love the lyrics from REM. Their voices fit the lyrics. Now if I can just figure out what the hexx they are singing about.....

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    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess View post
    .... Randy Newman should have never sung anything, anywhere, anytime.
    "Short People" must be influencing your opinion.

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    Quote Originally posted by Bear Up North View post

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    I pretty much tuned them out after the song "Happy shiny people".
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    Quote Originally posted by savemattoon View post
    But John Belushi singing Joe Cocker is priceless
    Hey, thanks for that. Belushi was a genius. I also recall when Belushi and Cocker sang side-by-side on SNL. Also memorable.
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    On Randy Newman...

    Left Foot... Right Foot...Left Foot... Right Foot...Left Foot... Right Foot...Left Foot... Right Foot...Left Foot... Right Foot...Left Foot... Right Foot...Left Foot... Right Foot...Left Foot... Right Foot...Left Foot... Right Foot

    Shameless Family Guy reference...
    You get all squeezed up inside/Like the days were carved in stone/You get all wired up inside/And it's bad to be alone

    You can go out, you can take a ride/And when you get out on your own/You get all smoothed out inside/And it's good to be alone
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    One of my favorite song lyrics of all time is when Mike D threatens: "I'll stir fry you in my WOK!" I'll admit to being the suburban mom in the mini-van with Beastie Boys cranked when Intergalatic Planetary comes on the radio, rocking out hard core.

    Carol King is another example of a phenomenal song writer and music legend, with an "eh" voice.

    and I hate Axl Rose's voice.

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    Two guys who can really work to the best effect marginal singing voices are Willie Nelson and John Prine. Neither is a great singer, but both have developed singing styling that maximizes their unique vocal talents.

    And both are incredible songwriters.
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