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Poll results: Are you going with Vista?

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  • Yes, right away

    3 5.45%
  • No, it's another ME

    8 14.55%
  • I'll wait until the bugs are worked out

    30 54.55%
  • I have an Apple

    9 16.36%
  • I don't even own a computer

    0 0%
  • I'm moving to Buffalo

    5 9.09%
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Thread: Microsoft Vista

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    NIMBY asshatterer Plus Richmond Jake's avatar
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    Microsoft Vista

    It's been released. Are you or are you not going to upgrade and why?

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    No way. I just got XP at home last year.

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    I'll wait until I have to buy a new computer and it's already loaded. Read on the internet that a lot of computers wouldn't even be able to run it.

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    Super Moderator luckless pedestrian's avatar
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    Hey RJ, you forgot the poll choice "what is this Vista of which you speak?"...or is that the Buffalo choice...

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    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess View post
    I'll wait until I have to buy a new computer and it's already loaded. .
    Same here.

    Is it not available in Buffalo?

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    Cyburbian mgk920's avatar
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    Not anytime in the foreseeable future, as I just took delivery of a snazzy new 1.66GHz Intel Mac Mini, running MacOSX 10.4.8, which I networked to the old 'beige box' PPC G3 running MacOSX 10.2.8 and MacOS 9.2.2. Runs rings around any Microsoft OS system.



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    I installed it about a month ago on a spare hard drive I had sitting around. It's nice but I can't say that I would have been willing to pay for it (I have a subscriptions to Microsoft's developers network so I can download most Microsoft software as part of that). There are lots of little changes that makes media files easier but the real important changes are the security changes below the surface that you can't see. The 3d task switcher is nifty and does present a better way of managing your windows. The hover over previews of minimized windows is nice too.

    If you have XP and aren't prone to getting virii and trojan horses, I don't see any reason to buy an upgrade until the latest versions of your favorite software requires Vista. The latest version of DirectX is only on Vista so games and high performance graphics applications are likely to require Vista long before software like Quicken.
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    Quote Originally posted by AubieTurtle View post
    .... I don't see any reason to buy an upgrade until the latest versions of your favorite software requires Vista.
    ditto!...........
    Cheers!

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    Where's the linux option?
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    Ha ha ha!

    News on google is reporting that 90% of games (1/3 of all internet usage) won't work with Vista!

    Thats going to go over like a lead balloon!
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    Bill Gates was on The Daliy Show Monday night. He said in the development stage Microsoft asked fifty families in 100 countries what they would like to see in the new system, along with 5 million beta-version downloads to shot holes in it.

    I'm not running out ot get it. I'll get it when IT thinks it should show up on my computer at work.
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    Cyburbian Plus Whose Yur Planner's avatar
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    The home PC was jusy bought last year. Like the others, Vista will have until the new computer in a couple of years. Had a pc with ME and still have nightmares/flashbacks from that piece of crap.
    When did I go from Luke Skywalker to Obi-Wan Kenobi?

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    We are a Mac household thank you...no Microsloth here
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    Fat Cat

    LIke a lot others, I will wait until I really, absolutely need a new computer, then I will look at getting one with vista on it.

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    Newish home PC runs XP - no need to change there, and I leave any decisions about my work computer to our IT geeks.
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    I puchased a new Dell laptop yesterday online. They do not give you a choice....the only operating system offered was Vista, no other choice. And they give you a gig of memory with Vista (I guess it can't run on less). But I was kinda pissed that I could not make another choice in operating software.

    Oh well, I have given in and ordered the laptop anyway. If Microsoft marketing tactics are as strongarm as in the past, we all might as well get in line and learn to get along with Vista.

    I don't know about everyone else, but I seem to have a love/hate thing happening with microsoft...

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    Quote Originally posted by Bubba View post
    Newish home PC runs XP - no need to change there...l
    Dittos.....
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    My brother is a systems engineer, so I rely on him to keep my computer ugraded. With that being said, I may ask him to install Vista, but there's no rush on it.
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    Quote Originally posted by Planit View post
    Bill Gates was on The Daliy Show Monday night. He said in the development stage Microsoft asked fifty families in 100 countries what they would like to see in the new system, along with 5 million beta-version downloads to shot holes in it.
    50 families in a hundred countries? My abacus can't calculate that...

    We're Mac all the way (home and work). I have been loyal from the beginning (my first was a Mac Classic where you had to load the system software every time you fired it up) and they get better each generation (with the exception of my paper weight Centris - what the hell was that all about??).

    I have had plenty of jobs working on PCs which mostly worked fine so long as you had an IT person on staff. I only really lamented not being able to run any of ESRIs software on the Mac (ok, you can run the old stuff, but it just doesn't work very well). Now that you can run PC programs on the new intel chip, I may never have to use a PC again!

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    Cyburbian bocian's avatar
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    Apple desktop and laptop here, & I would never even consider looking at Vista -- already 5 years outdated today.

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    This is a long quote, but points out some critical reasons why you may not want to upgrade to Vista yet. I know that I am not going to touch it for at least a year - maybe two, if at all.

    Quote Originally posted by MaximumPC
    By Will Smith, MaximumPC

    1. Vista Requires a Fairly Powerful Machine

    This probably won’t be a problem for most MaximumPC readers, but many folks who don’t play games will find their machines challenged by Vista’s system requirements. That Dell laptop Aunt Edna bought for $500 last year is going to struggle with this OS. While a simple RAM upgrade will probably get the machine running, it almost certainly won’t be sufficient to enable Vista’s bells and whistles.

    For once, Microsoft’s published minimum requirements for a new OS are reasonably accurate. The recommended system has a 1GHz or faster CPU with 1GB of RAM and a 128MB Pixel Shader 2.0-compliant graphics card, which is a fairly realistic minimum spec to get a decent experience with Vista. At MaximumPC, we aren’t going to bother installing Vista on anything slower than 2GHz; we’d rather have a fast XP install than a slow Vista machine. In short, if your machine isn’t up to snuff, take the next couple of months to get it there before installing the new OS.

    2. Application Incompatibilities

    Even as we speak, there are literally dozens of applications that don’t work properly with Vista. And we’re not talking about garage-developed apps but high-profile programs such as iTunes, disc-burning apps, and pretty much anything that has to do with DVD ripping or viewing. And virtually any Java-based app that bundles the Java runtime automatically kicks the desktop back to Vista’s Basic mode, obviating the performance benefits you get from running Aero.

    3. Vista is Crazy Expensive

    Vista is the most expensive consumer operating system we’ve ever seen. Let’s take a look at the pricing. Home Basic, which doesn’t include the fancy Aero Glass interface, costs a whopping $200 for a full version. Home Premium costs $40 more, and Ultimate costs an astounding $400. Why spend that much today on a less-polished product when you can wait a few months and have a much better experience for the same money?

    The good news is that Ultimate has a bunch of features that the majority of power users won’t need; the Premium version should include everything most people will require for home use – at least if you don’t run Group Policies on your home domain.

    Naturally, in Home Basic and Home Premium, there are plenty of ads for Windows Anytime Upgrade, which will let you upgrade your “inferior” version of Windows to the obscenely overpriced (and unnecessary) Ultimate version.

    4. No Hardware Audio

    During development, Microsoft removed a couple of crucial gaming-audio-related features from Vista, including DirectSound 3D (hundreds of games use DS3D to deliver positional 5.2 audio) and support for hardware-accelerated 3D sound. This isn’t a problem for new games going forward, as most developers have embraced the alternative OpenAL technology, which will continue to work with Vista. It is, however, a problem for legacy DS3D games, such as Call of Duty 2 and Max Payne. When you run a DirectSound 3D game on Vista, it won’t give you the option to enable 3D sound or features that require hardware acceleration, such as EAX.

    Unfortunately, there’s no easy solution. Creative will release its Alchemy application, a workaround to a problem that shouldn’t exist in the first place. Alchemy is basically a wrapper program – it intercepts DirectSound 3D functions and converts them to OpenAL functions using a custom DLL. Alchemy works OK, but we’d much rather have a less-kludgy solution from Microsoft. Hopefully, they’ll hear our cries and include hardware support with Vista’s first service pack.

    5. Vista Doesn’t Work with a Lot of Bleeding-Edge Hardware

    The BIOS on the laptop you bought in March doesn’t work with Vista. Nor does your high-end USB microphone. And you can kiss that joystick-port-based Thrustmaster flight stick goodbye, too. With any new operating system, it’s safe to assume there are going to be some compatibility problems. However, we experience more issues with our hardware just plain not working during the Vista run-up than we did with any Microsoft OS since Windows 2000.

    The lesson here? Make sure your hardware is actually compatible with Vista before you purchase it. You can check by using the Vista Upgrade Advisor WindowsVistaUpgradeAdvisor.

    6. Vista Doesn’t Work Well with Some Games

    We’ve already talked about the excision of 3D sound from the operating system, but there’s a larger problem. It turns out that many online games that use PunkBuster to limit cheating require Administrator access in order to work properly. The problem is that neither the game, nor PunkBuster, nor Vista actually tells you that. You just get kicked from the server every time you try to join a game. The solution is relatively simple: All you have to do is set the offending game to always run as Administrator in its Properties window, but the entire process needs to be more user –friendly. Please get to work on this, Microsoft.

    7. Vista Includes Consumer-Unfriendly DRM

    On the DRM front, we’re pretty much convinced that Microsoft hasn’t actually integrated anything more insidious than Windows Media Player 11 into Vista, at least not for current standard-definition content. (Blu-ray and HD-DVD content are protected in a similar manner as on XP and will require a full HDCP path for hi-def playback.) But the fundamental underpinnings to completely lock down the video-rendering pipeline to prevent ripping of next-gen content are present in the OS.

    That’s not the least of it. Because of content-protection concerns, Vista won’t support CableCard for the vast majority of users. CableCard, in theory, allows users to access high-def content from their cable or satellite providers, without being tied to the device supplied by the TV provider. The thought was that CableCard would let you view HDTV on your PC without resorting to and over-the-air signal. Unfortunately, for CableCard’s protected video path to work, your machine must be certified, and only large OEM manufacturers like Dell and HP will be eligible for certification. Pretty awesome, right?

    The fundamental problem is that for certain key low-level operations, such as video rendering, Vista has been designed to give third parties – the content providers – veto rights over crucial aspects of your system. Do you trust a company like Sony, which infected millions of PCs with a malicious rootkit, with low-level access to your rig?

    8. Poor Driver Support

    The big vendors like ATI and Nvidia should have drivers ready for Vista’s launch (although there weren’t any GeForce 8800 drivers at the corporate launch on November 30), but expect really big problems to arise with all that other hardware attached to your system. It’s going to be tough to find drivers for older hardware, and we’ve even encountered problems getting drivers for brand-new gear. Sure, your mouse and keyboard will work, but will you have access to the cool sensitivity-changing and macro software that goes with it? Even if your hardware is supported, are the drivers fully baked?

    If the Vista launch follows the timeline of past Windows launches, drivers will be scarce for the first few months while vendors slowly certify their products to run on the new OS.

    9. Vista is Kind of Annoying

    User Account Control is part of Microsoft’s fix to prevent malware applications from taking advantage of Administrator privileges on infected PCs to install more malware. Every time an installer runs on your Vista PC, a prompt will ask for your permission to install the software in question. That’s a great idea, but we think the implementation is pretty poor.

    The problem is the frequency of prompts. They come up so often that people will quickly learn to auto-click them, thus risking malware infections. Even worse, instead of forcing you to take any action that would require thought, the prompts don’t even ask you to reenter your password (by default); all you have to do is click a button and the app will install itself. UAC is the PC equivalent of taking your shoes off in the airport security line. It makes you feel as though something’s being done to protect you, but ultimately it doesn’t do much to improve security. This isn’t likely to change, but it should.

    10. You Can Wait

    You should be asking yourself if you need Vista today. The only people who should answer yes are the folks who already have a DirectX 10 videocard and are anxiously awaiting their Crysis preorders. For everyone else, it certainly won’t hurt to wait for the bugs to be worked out, the drivers to be released, and your machine to be in optimum condition to handle the new OS. Indeed, it can only help.

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    Did they fix WORD?

    What a piece of s**t program that is!
    Why the County moved from Word Perfect to WORD is beyond me. Someone in IT must have drank the Kool-Aid.
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    Bought a MacBook today. Excited to make the platform switch.

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    Nope....

    No Vista here for at least a year.......

    I chose Buffalo, how bad could it be......I mean since Rumpy left.....

    snicker......he he he....
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