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    "Philadelphia Story: The Next Borough"

    Ryan Donnell for The New York TimesThe Khyber, a rock club in the Old City neighborhood.

    Published: August 14, 2005

    WEARING a Paul Green School of Rock T-shirt, his bangs plastered to his forehead in the summer heat, Laris Kreslins pulled in front of a handsome brownstone on Rittenhouse Square, the priciest neighborhood in the city, and hopped out of his car.

    These former New Yorkers were at the Rag Flats home of Ms. Watt and Mr. Thompson.
    "We're going to show you what a real Philly apartment looks like," he said, unlocking the door to reveal a spacious one-bedroom flat sparsely decorated with CD's and copies of music magazines. "As you can see, it has hardwood floors, lots of light and very high ceilings," he said. Then Mr. Kreslins paused and delivered what he knew would be the kicker: "Rent is $800 a month. Heat and electricity included."

    Mr. Kreslins isn't selling real estate. He's selling Philadelphia. The publisher of Arthur, a free arts and culture magazine, Mr. Kreslins, 30, lived in a tiny apartment in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, before leaving New York two years ago and ending up in Philadelphia, where he and his girlfriend, Kendra Gaeta, 30, another Brooklynite, bought a four-bedroom house close to the Philadelphia Museum of Art in March and promptly started a Web site, movetophilly.com.

    The site, designed to lure 20- and 30-something singles and couples to the city, features a sultry caricature of Patti LaBelle, a longtime resident, who entreats visitors to e-mail for the kind of tour Mr. Kreslins was recently holding, taking visitors to a thrift store, a Polish butcher and his friend Brendan's apartment.

    Philadelphians occasionally refer to their city - somewhat deprecatingly - as the "sixth borough" of New York, and with almost 8,000 commuters making the 75-minute train ride between the cities each weekday, the label seems not far off the mark. But Mr. Kreslins and Ms. Gaeta are a new breed of Philadelphia-bound commuters, those who come from New York by train or the popular Chinatown bus for a weekend and then come back, with a U-Haul, to stay.

    They are the first wave of what could be called Philadelphia's Brooklynization.

    Hard numbers assessing exactly how many new residents are from New York are not available, but real estate brokers are noting an influx of prospective buyers and renters from the city; club owners and restaurant employees have spotted newcomers, on both sides of the bar; and "everyone knows someone who's moved here from New York," said Paul Levy, the executive director of the Center City District, a business improvement group, and himself a former Brooklyn resident.

    Attracted by a thriving arts and music scene here and a cost of living that is 37 percent lower than New York's, according to city figures, a significant number of youngish artists, musicians, restaurateurs and designers are leaving New York City and heading down the turnpike for the same reasons they once moved to Brooklyn from Manhattan.

    "We got priced out of Manhattan, and we moved to Brooklyn," said John Schmersal, 32, of the three-member band Enon; two of them migrated here in January. "Then we got priced out of Brooklyn. Now we're in Philadelphia."

    On a recent Friday night Mr. Schmersal and his girlfriend, Toko Yasuda, were huddled at the bar at the Khyber, a smoky rock institution in the nightclub-heavy Old City neighborhood, a Colonial area of narrow streets bordering the Delaware River east of City Hall, to see Love as Laughter, a New York City band. "We like going to shows here," Mr. Schmersal said. "In New York there are so many people, it's impossible to even get in to see hot bands."

    Much less be in a band. "For years I was willing to sacrifice quality of life for artistic fulfillment - you know, you find a circle of artists and you scrape by," said Anna Neighbor, a 27-year-old bass player and Williamsburg exile, between sips of Yuengling lager at a bar in the Northern Liberties neighborhood, an artists' enclave north of City Hall. In January Ms. Neighbor and her husband, Daniel Matz, and Jason McNeely, all members of the indie rock band Windsor for the Derby, decided to leave Brooklyn.

    Ms. Neighbor and Mr. Matz discovered Fishtown, a gentrifying blue-collar neighborhood adjacent to Northern Liberties, where, in the last five years, youthful faces with bed head have made their way among the traditionally Irish Catholic residents. They found a three-bedroom row house for $170,000.

    "New York is mythologically all about vibrancy and creativity, but it's hard to work a 40-hour week and come home and be Jackson Pollock," said Mr. Matz, 32, a guitarist. He said that by living in Philadelphia he could support himself teaching public school and devote the rest of his time to his band.

    A few blocks away from Ms. Neighbor's house live Laura Watt, a 38-year-old painter, and her husband, Clark Thompson, 38, a financial services technician who left his Manhattan-based bank for one in Philadelphia a year ago. They settled in a three-level condominium in a new housing development called Rag Flats in Fishtown with their two children, Gus and Lydia. At $439,000 it was pricier than any of the block's three-story row houses, but with three bedrooms, each with an outdoor deck; solar heat and electricity; a rooftop with spectacular views; and a dumbwaiter going down to the kitchen, they thought it was worth it.

    "Philadelphia reminds me a lot of what Brooklyn used to be like," said Ms. Watt, who had lived in Brooklyn and Westchester County for 15 years.

    Fifteen or 20 years ago, the idea of Philadelphia as a place to go for quality life would have been laughable to many people, even to Philadelphians. Sandwiched between New York and Washington, Philadelphia was a flyover city - trainover really - a place where a mayor had ordered the bombing of a neighborhood and where Eagles fans reveled in booing their own team, its chief popular exports cheese steaks and "Rocky." While Philadelphia's rich cultural history, like its art museum, its symphony orchestra and its Colonial architecture, gave the city establishment credentials, it did not produce much of an avant-garde.

    "The Philadelphia market was really provincial," said Steven Lowy, who opened a gallery in Philadelphia in 1984 but fled back to Manhattan three years later.

    Lately the city has stepped up its efforts to woo people back, in part by trying to position Center City as "young and hip and cool," said Meryl Levitz, the president of the Greater Philadelphia Tourism and Marketing Corporation, who regularly holds lunches at which she tells the New York media, "We're closer than the Hamptons!"

    The campaign had a boost last month when Forbes magazine named Philadelphia No. 12 on its list of best cities for singles (out of 40), a jump from No. 15 a year ago. In 2004 tourists in Philadelphia numbered 25.5 million, an increase of 41 percent in the last five years, and though the city had been losing residents - especially young ones - steadily since the 1950's, when it had 2.07 million people, the population of the city, the nation's fifth-largest, has leveled off at 1.5 million in the last four years.

    A government plan to provide the city with free wireless Internet access has as yet gone unrealized, but the national publicity surrounding it has given Philadelphia a progressive image, as has a marketing campaign by the tourism bureau, started in 2003 to attract gay tourists. That tagline was "Get your history straight and your nightlife gay."

    "There's a big gay clientele coming down here," said Michael McCann, a real estate agent with Prudential Fox and Roach, who also said he has seen a "significant increase" in buyers from Manhattan and has worked with "a ton" of "single people and couples between 28 and 43" from Brooklyn.

    Often they move to start the kind of business they had in New York. Danuta Mieloch, 39, an owner of Rescue Rittenhouse Spa, who administered body scrubs to celebrities at Paul Labrecque on the Upper East Side before moving to Philadelphia to start her own place, is an example. Jose Garces, 33, a former chef at Chicama and Pipa in Gramercy Park, will open Amada, a tapas restaurant in Old City, in September. Matthew Izzo, 35, and his business partner, Mark Ax, 35, defected from New York design firms to start their own home and design boutiques, the Matthew Izzo shops.

    "It's just so much more workable here," Mr. Izzo said. "It's smaller and more manageable." And Lindsay Berman, 27, who left a marketing job at the Showtime network in Manhattan, is waiting tables part time at Jones, a 70's throwback diner in Center City, while she gets her T-shirt line, Dirty Old Shirt, off the ground.

    Not that everyone is committed for life. Some "can't give up their Brooklyn phone numbers," said Heather Murphy Monteith, a dancer who runs a disco for toddlers. She has noticed 718 and 917 area codes popping up on the contact sheets.
    Some keep more than just their digits: Mitzi Wong, 36, a buyer for the Philadelphia-based trend mecca Anthropologie, bought a "Jane Austen-like" row house in Society Hill, the historic Philadelphia neighborhood, but she is keeping her East Village apartment for weekends.

    Lee Daniels, a native Philadelphian and producer of the film "Monster's Ball," rents in Harlem but bought a luxury apartment on the Delaware riverfront. "So many people are moving here," Mr. Daniels said. "People just fall in love with it."

    Many of the things that were once deterring about Philadelphia have also been turned around. The recent lifting of archaic building ordinances and a 10-year tax abatement on new construction means that blighted factories and brownstones are now being converted, many into luxury apartments, and new buildings are going up in place of weed-filled lots. Bring-your-own restaurants, born out of Pennsylvania's Puritan liquor restrictions, have become a charming hallmark of Center City.

    Philadelphia still has its share of urban blight: It ranks higher than New York in homelessness, crime and poverty. It maintains a high position in the Men's Health list of America's Fattest Cities each year, and, as New Yorkers often complain, you would be hard-pressed to find much open after 2 a.m. But the renaissance in real estate and restaurants has aligned with the city's music scene, which runs the gamut of cool.

    In a recent conversation Nick Sylvester, who covers Philadelphia music for The Village Voice and Pitchfork Media, an online music magazine, mentions diverse acts like the indie rockers Dr. Dog and Man Man, Beanie Sigel's State Property crew, and D.J.'s Diplo and Dave Pianka.

    "Philly's decidedly anti-scene, and that appeals to a lot of musicians that move there," he said. "They can actually do their own thing."

    There are art shows of international renown, like the Salvador Dalí show at the Philadelphia Museum of Art in the spring, and shows by quirky collectives like Space 1026 in Chinatown, which recently housed an installation made with Cheez-Its. All of which has collided with a peculiar cultural moment in which uncool is the new cool, in which blue-collar scrappiness and a surfeit of fried-meat specialties now seems endearingly kitschy.

    At least one developer is banking on the hope that Philadelphia's appeal is not just a fleeting fad. On a vast tract of land in Northern Liberties, an area once notable for hate crimes and heroin availability, a 50-year-old former shopping center developer named Bart Blatstein is building a $100 million development. Scheduled for completion in 2007, it will have 1,000 apartments, half a million square feet of ground-floor retail space and 100,000 square feet of industrial-chic office space, all of which Mr. Blatstein says will be offered at reduced rents to "edgy, creative types." The project is seeking New Yorkers. (Mr. Blatstein's company, Tower Properties, plans to advertise both in The Village Voice and on New York's Craigslist.) "We want it to be a cross between Williamsburg and SoHo," he said.

    But Mr. Lowy, of Portico gallery in SoHo, is skeptical about the long-run chances for young artists: "The quality of life is pretty good but many of those artists probably won't stay. Can you get an art dealer to come to your studio when you're in Philly? Sure, you have time to make more art, but there's no one to buy it."

    soon. soon we will be greater than tokyo. la thought they would catch us but guess what? just when you're about to catch us we'll jump right back into the #1 slot where we belong. philly and nyc=greatest metro in the world.
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    Quote Originally posted by EastCoastLoyalty View post
    soon. soon we will be greater than tokyo. la thought they would catch us but guess what? just when you're about to catch us we'll jump right back into the #1 slot where we belong. philly and nyc=greatest metro in the world.
    I wouldn't get too excited there, give it 20-30 more years of sprawl and San Diego/LA/San Francisco/Sacramento will all be one metro area of 50 million people. You might even be able to toss Vegas into that as well

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    meh.....see this article and variations of it every couple months.

    surprise surprise...Philly is a nice city, people do want to live here, and no it is not NYC, and no we do not refer to it as the 6th borough of.

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    I've seen this article before, and I hate it. It's one of the most condescending pieces I've ever seen; "aww, Philly is so unhip it's hip!" et al. Ask a lifelong Philadelphian and they would tell you they're not the sixth borough of anything. Many New Yorkers seem to paint Chicago with the same broad brush.

    And it's got that nasty word "flyover," which I propose should be banished from the language.

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    I agree that Chicago gets slighted far too often by New Yorkers...but then again, that's one of the things that I like about this city. The rivalry isn't as direct as it used to be...there's just this great attitude toward New York in Chicago: "So what?" I appreciate the nonchalance of it. You have cities around the country that wish they could be New York, or even have a little piece of its prosperity, but Chicagonas don't give a damn. They do their own thing.

    As for Philly, it is decidedly unhip. Whether or not that's a good thing, or if it even matters, is for each person to decide individually. Personally, I can't stand the place...it's a broke-down Chicago with less character and badly mismanaged national landmarks that are just begging to be carted off to DC where they'd actually be given their due. But that's just me.

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    Quote Originally posted by bncrain View post
    Personally, I can't stand the place...it's a broke-down Chicago with less character and badly mismanaged national landmarks that are just begging to be carted off to DC where they'd actually be given their due. But that's just me.
    What are the "badly mismanaged national landmarks" you speak of?

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    Quote Originally posted by bncrain View post
    I agree that Chicago gets slighted far too often by New Yorkers...but then again, that's one of the things that I like about this city. The rivalry isn't as direct as it used to be...there's just this great attitude toward New York in Chicago: "So what?" I appreciate the nonchalance of it. You have cities around the country that wish they could be New York, or even have a little piece of its prosperity, but Chicagonas don't give a damn. They do their own thing.

    As for Philly, it is decidedly unhip. Whether or not that's a good thing, or if it even matters, is for each person to decide individually. Personally, I can't stand the place...it's a broke-down Chicago with less character and badly mismanaged national landmarks that are just begging to be carted off to DC where they'd actually be given their due. But that's just me.
    Bad experience in Philly? :Sigh: I remember when the same things were said about Chicago.

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    I love how Chicagoans couldn't care less about New York. I lived in the NYC metro for most of my life, and I have spent the past 5 years in Chicago. I will defend the latter city to the death over the former. I was in New York City for July 4th weekend for the first time in 3 years and was shocked by how empty the city seemed. Chicago, on the other hand, keeps an active street life all summer. We don't need the Hamptons or the Jersey Shore to have a good time.

    What Chicagoans resent is New Yorkers' active efforts to "take over" our city. The most egregious example, of course, is the elimination of our venerable Marshall Field's name.

    But we retaliated and stuck a Garrett Popcorn right across from Macy's on 34th Street in New York. So there.

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    Chicago is badly mismanaged a lot of the time. And it was once entirely broke-down. Those things are irrelevant to the point I was making. What Chicago has never lacked is character, whereas Philadelphia is a city with a severe identity crisis. For evidence, look no further than the campaign that caused all of the hipsters to come a'flocking; Philly marketed itself as Not New York. It's entire pitch was based on the strength of character of another city.

    I didn't have a "bad" experience there if you are suggesting that something inherently bad happened to me while I was there. I just couldn't believe what a let-down it was, especially being that it's the place where the US as we know it was essentially founded. Independence National Historic Park is a pretty hefty black eye...the Constitution Center looks like an afterthought, the Liberty Bell is stuffed into an awkward cattle-herding podium not fit for a Six Flags ride, and Independence Hall is run down and dirty. The security checkpoint at the entrance made me wonder if I was actually at an airport in Eastern Europe in 1979. Sad.

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    Quote Originally posted by bncrain View post
    Chicago is badly mismanaged a lot of the time. And it was once entirely broke-down. Those things are irrelevant to the point I was making. What Chicago has never lacked is character, whereas Philadelphia is a city with a severe identity crisis. For evidence, look no further than the campaign that caused all of the hipsters to come a'flocking; Philly marketed itself as Not New York. It's entire pitch was based on the strength of character of another city.

    I didn't have a "bad" experience there if you are suggesting that something inherently bad happened to me while I was there. I just couldn't believe what a let-down it was, especially being that it's the place where the US as we know it was essentially founded. Independence National Historic Park is a pretty hefty black eye...the Constitution Center looks like an afterthought, the Liberty Bell is stuffed into an awkward cattle-herding podium not fit for a Six Flags ride, and Independence Hall is run down and dirty. The security checkpoint at the entrance made me wonder if I was actually at an airport in Eastern Europe in 1979. Sad.
    Read carefully. The City itself is not behind any effort to attract New York ex-pats explicitly. "The campaign" the article is referencing is the brainchild of some NY realtors, not the city government. If you want to see a city that really is banking on attracting professionals from a near-by, better-to-do city, you have to look south, to Baltimore's "Live Baltimore" ad campaign. That city puts actual taxpayer dollars into attracting DC commuters.

    http://www.baltimorehousing.org/inde...ail.asp?ID=221

    On March 23, Live Baltimore joined Mayor Dixon, City Council President Rawlings-Blake and Commissioner Graziano, among others, at the City Hall Rotunda to announce its latest marketing campaign. Six new advertisements, which will encourage DC residents to “get in on” Baltimore by comparing the two cities on affordability, quality of life, commuting and neighborhoods, were unveiled. The advertisements will appear on billboards in 18 Metro stations throughout the Washington, DC metropolitan area and in regional print publications. Live Baltimore’s new Executive Director, Anna Custer, was also introduced to the public at the event.

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    Hmmm.....

    Quote Originally posted by passdoubt View post

    http://www.baltimorehousing.org/inde...ail.asp?ID=221

    On March 23, Live Baltimore joined Mayor Dixon, City Council President Rawlings-Blake and Commissioner Graziano, among others, at the City Hall Rotunda to announce its latest marketing campaign. Six new advertisements, which will encourage DC residents to “get in on” Baltimore by comparing the two cities on affordability, quality of life, commuting and neighborhoods, were unveiled. The advertisements will appear on billboards in 18 Metro stations throughout the Washington, DC metropolitan area and in regional print publications. Live Baltimore’s new Executive Director, Anna Custer, was also introduced to the public at the event.

    I wonder if Baltimore advertises this also??:

    http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats03/table...-map-large.htm

    or this

    Chlamydia rates for U.S. cities ranked by rates.
    (Rate per 100,000 population)

    City Rate per 100,000 Population

    Rochester, NY 1,219.6
    Philadelphia, PA 1,189.3
    Detroit, MI 1,102.2
    Richmond, VA 1,040.2
    St Louis, MO 1,035.0
    Baltimore, MD 1,004.2
    New Orleans, LA 987.0
    Kansas City, MO 954.3
    Milwaukee, WI 898.1
    Indianapolis, IN 760.3
    Chicago, IL 760.2
    Minneapolis, MN 737.5
    Newark, NJ 730.8
    Atlanta, GA 726.8
    Buffalo, NY 723.5
    Memphis, TN 714.2
    Denver, CO 667.9
    Boston, MA 627.1
    St Paul, MN 612.9
    Albuquerque, NM 590.9
    Oklahoma City, OK 579.3
    Dallas, TX 569.4
    Jacksonville, FL 566.4
    Washington, DC 554.9

    or maybe even

    http://www.cdc.gov/STDConference/200...nfTableGon.htm


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    My last post was poorly-worded. I know that the city was not behind the ad campaign discussed in the above article...I was suggesting that the city lacked sufficient character to serve as the base for a marketing campaign.

    At any rate, I am going to shut up now lest I get a troll's reputation. I don't want to start a flame war...Philly just isn't my kind of city. Sorry if I got testy.

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    Quote Originally posted by bncrain View post
    I didn't have a "bad" experience there if you are suggesting that something inherently bad happened to me while I was there. I just couldn't believe what a let-down it was, especially being that it's the place where the US as we know it was essentially founded. Independence National Historic Park is a pretty hefty black eye...the Constitution Center looks like an afterthought, the Liberty Bell is stuffed into an awkward cattle-herding podium not fit for a Six Flags ride, and Independence Hall is run down and dirty. The security checkpoint at the entrance made me wonder if I was actually at an airport in Eastern Europe in 1979. Sad.
    Did you at least bear witness to the greatest civic building in America?

    http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data...m/IMG_0455.JPG
    http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data...m/IMG_0451.JPG
    http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data...m/IMG_0452.JPG
    http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data...m/IMG_0461.JPG
    http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data...m/IMG_0448.JPG

    I can't speak for the interior of any of the landmarks you noted but I didn't think they were set in a bad landscape by any means.

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