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    Cyburbian dandy_warhol's avatar
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    paid to learn?

    NYC has proposed program where students will get paid for showing up at class and good marks on standardized tests. NYT-article

    do you think the program will work?
    In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. -Martin Luther King Jr.

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    No no no no no no no no no no

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    Its sounds like a strategy to improve test scores for a failing school district so the feds don't take it over through NCLB.
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    Quote Originally posted by Brocktoon View post
    Its sounds like a strategy to improve test scores for a failing school district so the feds don't take it over through NCLB.
    It does sound that way - but it's really not. NYC's schools aren't failing, and by many measures are pretty decent - especially for a large urban district.

    It's another Bloomberg proposal to try something new. I can't say that I'm really in favor of it, but it is, for lack of a better word - bold.

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    My school gave a cash reward for perfect attendance from K through 12 upon graduation (13 years of perfect attendance). Usually one or maybe two people could get it each year in a class of 600-700. Local businesses also used to offer freebies for good grades--you show them your report card and you could get things like a free personal pan pizza at Pizza Hut, etc; the idea being that the parent(s) bring junior to get the freebie, and they end up buying something else as well.

    Getting paid to go to school like its a job? Rediculous. But hey, at least Bloomberg was trying something new.
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    Quote Originally posted by CJC View post
    It does sound that way - but it's really not. NYC's schools aren't failing, and by many measures are pretty decent - especially for a large urban district.

    It's another Bloomberg proposal to try something new. I can't say that I'm really in favor of it, but it is, for lack of a better word - bold.
    A third of schools are not passing, I would consider that failing. 12 more schools earned a failing grade bring the total up to 421.

    You are right that for a large urban district NYC is doing better but still has a long way to go.

    Here is where I found my information:
    http://www.nysun.com/article/46512/
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    Sure....

    What better way to develop good little capitalists I mean why bother trying to develop personal motivation How about giving A students a pass to skip school twice a semester or something?? B students get one day...whatever.....

    Is this some kind of rebate program to the student? You get a portion of "your" tax dollar back for being a good student? How about a program that pays people for not owning a car?
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    Personal pride, accountablility and responsibility takes another hit..

    (Shakes head...)
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    Quote Originally posted by Brocktoon View post
    A third of schools are not passing, I would consider that failing. 12 more schools earned a failing grade bring the total up to 421.

    You are right that for a large urban district NYC is doing better but still has a long way to go.

    Here is where I found my information:
    http://www.nysun.com/article/46512/
    I wasn't trying to say that they were doing well, but just that they aren't trying to get taken over by the Feds.

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    OH come the #@$*(# on. This is the dumbest thing that I have heard all day... and it’s been a long day. Why don’t we send a person to carry everyone’s books, do everyone’s homework, and wipe every ones A$$!

    It is stories like this that further make me loose any respect for liberal policies. Here’s a better idea... a guaranteed scholarship if they spend their entire school lives in NYC school system, graduate, and get into a state funded university. (No Community Colleges)
    If you want different results in your life, you need to do different things than you have done in the past. Change is that simple.

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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    OH come the #@$*(# on. This is the dumbest thing that I have heard all day... and it’s been a long day. Why don’t we send a person to carry everyone’s books, do everyone’s homework, and wipe every ones A$$!

    It is stories like this that further make me loose any respect for liberal policies. Here’s a better idea... a guaranteed scholarship if they spend their entire school lives in NYC school system, graduate, and get into a state funded university. (No Community Colleges)
    A liberal idea, I guess - but proposed as a "market-based" system by a Republican mayor.

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    What about a swift kick in the a$$ to the parents who don't make sure their kids a) go to school b) do homework and otherwise perform at an average level c) don't show up to conferences/fail to return communication with teachers or counselors?

    What a crock.

    Quote Originally posted by CJC
    A liberal idea, I guess - but proposed as a "market-based" system by a Republican mayor.
    This just in.....Bloomberg quits the GOP!
    "He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?" Jeremiah 22:16

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    Quote Originally posted by kjelsadek View post

    Hmmm...I wonder if he's preparing for a presidential run...hmmm...

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    That must have been an interesting budget session that put that one through
    Perhaps they could send some of their extra funds to those of us who could put it to a more practical use Like employee raises for doing a good job

    This is ludicrous

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    Why try when you can go on welfare?. That was NYS's thinking back in the 80's (when they advertised for people to come to the state due to its generous welfare program) and maybe still today.

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    I got paid for going to school and doing well. In fact, I'm still getting paid for it, and I always will be. I'm making maybe $10K more per year than non-college grads. And even the HS grads are happy, because they're not stuck saying "would you like to try a combo meal" for the rest of their lives like some of the drop-outs.

    I understand, however, that money can be a reason to miss school or drop out entirely. Believe me, I have seen it first hand -- does a kid go to school, or does she work at McBurgerJoint to make some money so her family can have heat in the winter? It's a horrible choice to have to make.

    Unfortunately, paying kids to go to school is only a bandage. Will it hold out long enough for a generation to break the cycle of poverty? Probably not. First of all, it's not just about showing up, right? It's about good marks. And good marks can be hard to get when you're living in a broken home. I've seen that, too.

    Sure, the idea could help a few kids and their families, but I don't think it will have the impact the city is looking for. There are root causes that need to be addressed, and those absolutely cannot be addressed simply by tossing around the Almighty Dollar.

    (What? I don't like tossing around the Almighty Dollar? But what about my ramblings in Random Thoughts? ... Like I said, it's a bandage. You use a bandage to stabilize a situation until you can fix it for good. I know what I'm going to do to augment my bandage. What's NYC going to do?)

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