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    Patriots videogate scandal and consequences

    During the New England Patriots romp over the lowly Jets it was discovered that a member of the Pats staff was videotaping the Jets defensive signals, which is apparently against NFL rules. The Commissioner of the NFL, sources say, will significantly punish the Patriots for this, which may include the elimination of draft picks. Pats coach Bill Belicheck issued a vague apology yesterday for the whole episode.

    The Patriots have attained the rare distinction of being an NFL dynasty in recent years, winning three out of the last five Super Bowls. But according to an ESPN poll many people feel that the video-taping scheme will diminish the Pats' greatness, which is not surprising because a lot of people resent the Pats' success (basically fans of all the other teams in the NFL).

    However, was what the Patriots did really all that bad? Is it any different than stealing signs in a baseball game, which happens all the time? Isn't everything on the football field videotaped in today's game anyway? Are the sidelines/opposing coaches off-limits?

    Coaches are aware of this, or should be. That's why they are always covering their mouths when they are calling plays into their headsets. And isn't it pretty stupid to use hand signals when the technology is there to mike plays into players' helmets?

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    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    However, was what the Patriots did really all that bad? Is it any different than stealing signs in a baseball game, which happens all the time? Isn't everything on the football field videotaped in today's game anyway? Are the sidelines/opposing coaches off-limits?
    Well... yeah.. it's bad.. it's the Patriots.

    On the other hand, every team looks at the signals being sent out for the plays but videotaping it allows for one to archive the signals, maybe even show your pretty boy quarter back visual proof at halftime.

    I think this is scratching the surface for the Pansies. Belichick is a smug asshole who dresses like a bum... and now a cheater. I say ban them from the playoffs for the next two years (or have them play the Broncos.. to whom they always seem to lose...)
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    love ya' zman, but &^%$ &#@

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3014677

    my hubby and I think Bill will not recover from this and either he will be canned now or will be asked to leave at the end of the season

    I agree that what he did was pretty dumb and likely had to do with the Jet's bad blood with him; however he was slapped last year for doing it to the Packers so he does habit of using the tapes in a funny way

    there is a side to me that says well, duh, wouldn't anyone try to figure out the other team's plays but this is a layperson thought as I know the rules say otherwise - I think there are many Pats fans that are saying the same thing but I think that's out of ignorance

    then again, I do think he doesn't need to do this kind of thing but I wonder if it's that he just got caught and all the teams do it - I would think that teams change their signals every game anyway or if they don't, they should - anyone with a set of binoculars could do the same thing

    so it's a things that make you go hhmmm sort of thing that has no easy answers but could make who I think is a brilliant man lose his career...

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    It really does not surprise me that this comes out of the Vikings. They have to be one of the least "sportsman-like" teams in the game.
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    Geez, don't you think that there's enough video of games floating around without Bill having to hire a videographer of his own. Stealing signs is a sacred part of baseball, who'd a thunk that footballers would have the smarts to do it too? 40 lashes for stupidity! My penalty would be to force Belichick to wear a suit and tie at games for the rest of the season.
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    Quote Originally posted by lucklessped.
    love ya' zman, but &^%$ &#@

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    Quote Originally posted by ofos View post
    My penalty would be to force Belichick to wear a suit and tie at games for the rest of the season.
    Forgiveness for being a Michigan fan after that statement. I love it!
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    To me its an honor violation. To the NFL is a rule violation. You can steal signs but do so on the sly, like in baseball. The fact is its cheating and violates a league policy. Also the league warned all the teams at the beginning of the season not to behave like this and the Pats get caught the first week of the season.

    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    Coaches are aware of this, or should be. That's why they are always covering their mouths when they are calling plays into their headsets. And isn't it pretty stupid to use hand signals when the technology is there to mike plays into players' helmets?
    Hand signals are still used on defense because the only miked communication is between the qb and the coach calling the plays. In some stadiums the mikes don't work well or the noise of the crowd is too loud for the qb to hear it so the offense will use hand signals from time to time. The league voted down the use of miking the middle linebacker again. Maybe this scandal will change that decision.
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    Here is a shot from the Pats rivals. Do other teams and other spots do it, probably, but not so blantantly. In fact, baseball makes a game of it and has for years. The videotaping was over the top and pointless. With TV cameras all over the place, they could have gotten the info off of them.

    There is a cetain amount of finding and rejoicing in finding kinks the Pats armour since they have been so good for so long
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    As a Pats fan, I'm disgusted by the arrogance displayed in flaunting the rule. I know other teams do it, but none are as brazen as the Pats were. They deserve to be docked draft picks and fined.
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    Quote Originally posted by NHPlanner View post
    I'm disgusted by the arrogance displayed.
    Dang, and here I had you pegged as a likely Pats apologist!
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    While it will always be a cloud over Belicheck's head, I doubt that there will be serious consequences.

    I predict either a 1 game suspension for Belicheck or a loss of a couple of mid-round draft picks next year.

    Now can we quit this whining and wussiness and just play football? If I was Mangini I would've just videotapped them back as a f**k you to his old boss. I guarantee you that if the Jets had won, Mangini wouldn't have said a damn thing.

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    I want the rings back.

    Make sense how they walked out on the field after haltime of the super Bowl and marched right down the field.

    Dont the Pats use the locker room staff to spy as well?

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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN View post
    Well... yeah.. it's bad.. it's the Patriots.

    On the other hand, every team looks at the signals being sent out for the plays but videotaping it allows for one to archive the signals, maybe even show your pretty boy quarter back visual proof at halftime.

    I think this is scratching the surface for the Pansies. Belichick is a smug asshole who dresses like a bum... and now a cheater. I say ban them from the playoffs for the next two years (or have them play the Broncos.. to whom they always seem to lose...)
    You beat us in the playoffs like twice in the past 10 years (and the last one was a gift from the officials). You do not want a piece of the Pats this year, trust me.

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    Fine the coaching staff not the players or owners. The coaching staff made the decision to go ahead with this. Fine him (and make it hurt) so others will not do it. I think the Commissioner should make a distinction between the coach and his tactics and the players/owner.
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    The Patriots will pay a fine, the NFL will watch to make sure it never happens again, and life will go on. The rule wasn't "don't steal signs". The rule was "no video recording devices in the booth". That was broken.

    Having said that, Brady threw a complete pass to Randy Moss while Moss was in triple coverage. Other than Donovan McNabb (maybe) and Peyton Manning (probably), name one more QB in the league that could have made that pass. Maybe the Patriots were taking the Jets so lightly that they were stealing the signs to throw into the hardest part of their defense.
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    I love how this is defended repeatedly with Tom Brady threw a pass to Moss...

    yeah well he knw what defense they would be in, he knew what he was up against.

    They are cheaters. Plain and simple. They cheated.

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    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    You beat us in the playoffs like twice in the past 10 years (and the last one was a gift from the officials). You do not want a piece of the Pats this year, trust me.
    My statement includes the regular season as well...

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    ... name one more QB in the league that could have made that pass.
    Give Jay Cutler 2-3 years...

    Quote Originally posted by Jeff
    They are cheaters. Plain and simple. They cheated.
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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN View post
    Give Jay Cutler 2-3 years...
    They will run him out of town too like Plummer and Griese...unless they start cheating like the Pats.
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    From Commish Bear....

    Here's your penalty, if Bear was Commish:

    Belicheck - Suspended for four games.
    Patriots - Lost top 3 draft picks next year and 3rd and 4th pick in the year following.

    No $$ fines - Fines for teams and players are jokes, unless they are REALLY BIG. They never are.

    And.....Z-Man is fined for being a Denver fan.

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    Quote Originally posted by Bear Up North View post
    And.....Z-Man is fined for being a Denver fan.
    And suspended for being a ND fan.
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    (ZMan shakes fist in air) aaaarrrrrrgh...
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    Quote Originally posted by zmanPLAN View post
    (ZMan shakes fist in air) aaaarrrrrrgh...
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    Aaaarrrrghhhhile.



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    Goodell's Solution was:

    The New England coach was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for stealing an opponent's defensive signals.

    Commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7222570
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    Quote Originally posted by ofos View post
    Goodell's Solution was:

    The New England coach was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for stealing an opponent's defensive signals.

    Commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't.Comments?
    Spanked 'em pretty hard for cheating. Seems fair enough.
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    I'm actually surprised there wasn't a suspension included in the punishment.

    It is a harsh, yet, IMO, appropriate punishment to hopefully prevent the Pats or any other team from doing this again.
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