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    Quote Originally posted by Coragus View post
    Well, here I am again. I was terminated on Friday, December 4th. I'm happy to say that I have a phone interview tomorrow.
    Sorry to hear it...but good luck on the phone interview. There are a few planning positions open in Arizona. PM me if you have any questions.
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    My last termination was the best thing that could have happened to me.

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    I am not an unemployed planner, but I am a planner looking for new employment.

    Is it bad to ask your current direct supervisor - who is aware and supportive of you looking for a job - to call the interviewing entity and give a recommendation? How does that look - from both sides?

    Advice, please.
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    Quote Originally posted by Salmissra View post
    I am not an unemployed planner, but I am a planner looking for new employment.

    Is it bad to ask your current direct supervisor - who is aware and supportive of you looking for a job - to call the interviewing entity and give a recommendation? How does that look - from both sides?

    Advice, please.
    I'm a little wary when I get cold-called by an applicant's supervisor. The only time it doesn't bother me is when it involves a supervisor that I know personally (so I know they aren't just trying to unload a problem).

    I'll cold-call on behalf of my staff, but I've only done it twice. Both times, they were cases of the employees needing to relocate out of the region for personal/family reasons and I knew somebody that either had openings or could help facilitate a soft landing. I would do it if my employee was seeking a career advancement position not possible at my employer, but I've never had an employee ask for me to take that step.

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    I think a cold-call is a bit abrupt, but if I see your direct supervisor's name on the list of recommendations, than I would be looking favorably on you.

    Though, for our recent Exec Dir search for our local downtown advocacy entity, one of the candidates unilaterally put his previous supervisor on the recommendation list without getting permission from the person first. It did not work in the candidate's favor as this former supervisor was the person that decided to let him go for less than ideal reasons.

    So if your supervisor is happy to be a recommendation, go for it, but I would let it be passive versus proactive.

    Good luck on the search, Sal.
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    Happy hunting! Hopefully whatever is going on won't drive you too crazy.

    I'd go with the passive reference too. Unless he/she knows someone like SR was talking about.
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    Quote Originally posted by Salmissra View post
    I am not an unemployed planner, but I am a planner looking for new employment.

    Is it bad to ask your current direct supervisor - who is aware and supportive of you looking for a job - to call the interviewing entity and give a recommendation? How does that look - from both sides?

    Advice, please.
    the resurfacing of this thread freaked me out as I thought "oh no!!!"

    so I am glad this is just looking for work

    I agree with others - cold calls work if your supervisor knows the other person as a professional friend kind of thing - my first public sector job was helped by this cold call on my behalf

    otherwise you can just list your supervisor as a reference which will hold a lot of water on its own as it immediately shows you are leaving on good terms

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    Hello, Canadian Planner here. I have a Master of Urban Planning degree and Bachelors of Science degree in Architecture. It's been more than 2 years since I've graduated and I cant seem to find entry level work. Either planning positions have a 3 to 10 year exp requirement or positions I qualify for are very competitive. I have applied to large municipalities, small towns and private planning practices but haven't had much luck.

    I've had over a dozen interviews. Including an interview with the City of Toronto's planning department. I've been told many times over that I have been selected for an interview out of hundreds of applicants. I'm confident in my skills but it's very nerve-wracking when I don't get the job.

    My ideal planning job is to work for an organization where I can use my research skills that I obtained during my graduate studies as well as my technical skills I've learned in architectural industry (autocad, revit, sketchup, 3ds max). Positions that meet my criteria pop up from time to time but they are very rare.

    Last year, I did find work with an Urban Design and Land Use Planning firm in Michigan. My position would have been as a Urban Designer but my Visa application rejected at the US Border. They argued the work I would have done does not meet the criteria of the NAFTA agreement. i tried to plead with them but they told me to not come back without a Lawyer (which would have been very expensive). I don't know if anybody else has ever had this problem.

    I live in a municipality in Southern-eastern Ontario with zero opportunities for entry-level planners not even for Volunteer opportunities related to planning. I currently work as a freelance architectural designer and it helps pay the bills. But i have been completely stressed that it has been so long since ive started my job hunt. I feel like i'm at the end of my rope

    Can anybody provide me with some advice? Any would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally posted by ARCAtect View post
    Hello, Canadian Planner here. I have a Master of Urban Planning degree and Bachelors of Science degree in Architecture. It's been more than 2 years since I've graduated and I cant seem to find entry level work. Either planning positions have a 3 to 10 year exp requirement or positions I qualify for are very competitive. I have applied to large municipalities, small towns and private planning practices but haven't had much luck.

    I've had over a dozen interviews. Including an interview with the City of Toronto's planning department. I've been told many times over that I have been selected for an interview out of hundreds of applicants. I'm confident in my skills but it's very nerve-wracking when I don't get the job.

    My ideal planning job is to work for an organization where I can use my research skills that I obtained during my graduate studies as well as my technical skills I've learned in architectural industry (autocad, revit, sketchup, 3ds max). Positions that meet my criteria pop up from time to time but they are very rare.

    Last year, I did find work with an Urban Design and Land Use Planning firm in Michigan. My position would have been as a Urban Designer but my Visa application rejected at the US Border. They argued the work I would have done does not meet the criteria of the NAFTA agreement. i tried to plead with them but they told me to not come back without a Lawyer (which would have been very expensive). I don't know if anybody else has ever had this problem.

    I live in a municipality in Southern-eastern Ontario with zero opportunities for entry-level planners not even for Volunteer opportunities related to planning. I currently work as a freelance architectural designer and it helps pay the bills. But i have been completely stressed that it has been so long since ive started my job hunt. I feel like i'm at the end of my rope

    Can anybody provide me with some advice? Any would be greatly appreciated.
    I lived in Toronto for a good few years. Have you looked into the darkside? Seriously, there is probably a glut of recent grads and experienced professionals seeking municipal planning work in the Toronto area. That's why it's so competitive to land a public gig. However, there's tons of existing and start-up planning firms due to the development pressures in the metro area. And hey, the current Chief Planner for Toronto was a recruit from the darkside.
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    Quote Originally posted by OfficialPlanner View post
    I lived in Toronto for a good few years. Have you looked into the darkside? Seriously, there is probably a glut of recent grads and experienced professionals seeking municipal planning work in the Toronto area. That's why it's so competitive to land a public gig. However, there's tons of existing and start-up planning firms due to the development pressures in the metro area. And hey, the current Chief Planner for Toronto was a recruit from the darkside.
    Hi and thanks for the response. I actually have never heard of the "darkside". Can you post a link for me? thanks.

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    Quote Originally posted by ARCAtect View post
    Hi and thanks for the response. I actually have never heard of the "darkside". Can you post a link for me? thanks.
    The darkside is planner talk for the private sector. Government agencies are one avenue, and the private sector is another. Developers, builders, and Planning Firms that do work for communities are other options.
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    New Mayor gave me my walking papers Friday to make room for his new PD. Not entirely unexpected but still a bummer. Trying to see this as an opportunity.

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    Quote Originally posted by Derek Lloyd View post
    New Mayor gave me my walking papers Friday to make room for his new PD. Not entirely unexpected but still a bummer. Trying to see this as an opportunity.
    I work for a strong mayor City as well. Good luck on the job search.

    PM your contact info and I'd be happy to pass along opportunities I come across that you may be interested in.
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    Quote Originally posted by Derek Lloyd View post
    New Mayor gave me my walking papers Friday to make room for his new PD. Not entirely unexpected but still a bummer. Trying to see this as an opportunity.
    that sucks! If you're looking to live in the middle of nowhere, I think there are a few Kansas jobs around.
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    Quote Originally posted by dvdneal View post
    that sucks! If you're looking to live in the middle of nowhere, physically, socially and morally, I think there are a few Kansas jobs around.
    There I fixed it for you.
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    post of the day The One!
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    I'm not really sure the unemployed thread is the place to be cracking jokes. I know some people appreciate levity in tough situations but as someone who has been laid off more than once through no fault of my own it was nice to get actual support here instead of wisecracks. But maybe that's just me.
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    Quote Originally posted by MD Planner View post
    I'm not really sure the unemployed thread is the place to be cracking jokes. I know some people appreciate levity in tough situations but as someone who has been laid off more than once through no fault of my own it was nice to get actual support here instead of wisecracks. But maybe that's just me.
    True - sorry - though when I lost my job violently, I looked for humor anywhere I could but yes, it's devastating for sure
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    Back in the job-hunting saddle

    I left my Director post due to relocation. We are heading back to the DFW area - and I admit it is not my first choice. In fact, I'm not that thrilled with the moving timing, but Karma/God/Fate decided to gift Hubby with a great job - that he is settling into nicely! - but the location is DFW.

    House is on the market, movers are coming soon, and I am on the hunt for a new position.

    I'm looking at both public and private sectors, upper level, and I'm not picky about travel requirements at this time.

    Any DFW Cyburbians out there - PM me if you're open to meeting for coffee or lunch some day after Memorial weekend. I want to catch up on local projects, opportunities, and gossip!
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    Same as above

    Similar post to poster above me - I'm relocating to Western PA for spousal reasons. My background is in transportation planning. Good luck to all the Cyburbians relocating!

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    Quote Originally posted by akshali2000 View post
    Similar post to poster above me - I'm relocating to Western PA for spousal reasons. My background is in transportation planning. Good luck to all the Cyburbians relocating!
    I wish you luck. PA is notorious for incredibly low pay for planners. Definitely keep a look out for associated jobs because being a planner in PA is tough sledding.
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    Seems to think that money grows on trees . . .

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