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Poll results: How does your salary compare with the results of the APA salary survey?

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  • Far above average ($10,000 and more above, 75th percentile or above)

    1 2.63%
  • Above average ($2,500 to $9,999 above)

    9 23.68%
  • About average (2,500)

    11 28.95%
  • Below average ($2,500 to $9,999 below)

    11 28.95%
  • Far below average ($10,000 and more below, 25th percentile or below)

    6 15.79%
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Thread: APA salary survey 2008: how do you stack up?

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    Cyburbia Administrator Dan's avatar
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    APA salary survey 2008: how do you stack up?

    The American Planning Association Salary Survey is growing into an annual tradition for planners in the US. So many of us here on Cyburbia consult the salary calculator, and only find disappointment when it's revealed we're making far less than our peers.

    This time, I thought I'd start a poll related to the survey. Complete out the Salary Calculator. How does your salary compare to your 50th percentile peers, according to the calculator? Are you making more or less? (To be fair, use the results in the calculator for your state, not the national results, which include the legendary six-digit incomes for mid-level planners in California.) Use the salary worksheet version if there's not enough statistically valid results for your search. If you're unemployed, consider the salary you were making before you left the workplace.

    FWIW, these are Cyburbia's estimated demographics:

    http://www.quantcast.com/cyburbia.org/demographics

    My last job was just above the borderline for the lowest 25th percentile.

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    now i'm even more depressed. i'm making less than others with similar education, experience, and responsibilities. but i guess that's what you get in Upstate NY.

    on the upside i was able to purchase a single-family home for a very reasonable price. (if i keep telling myself that maybe i won't be as depressed.)
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    NIMBY asshatterer Plus Richmond Jake's avatar
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    Not saying....if I told the truth, that information would increase my APA dues.

    There are APA moles here, you know.



    Above.


    Edit. Now my last job in California...holy cow, far above.

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    The typical (median) planner is
    43 years old - Older
    has been in the planning field for 14 years - 15+
    an area of specialization - don't really fit those catergories
    67% work in public agencies - yes
    63% report their principal place of employment is located in a city - yes

    Median annual salary $70,000 in 2008 - Way Over Mine by $ 20,000
    Salary x AICP Status - still below the 25 percentile
    Salary x Experience - still below the 25 percentile

    So I am older, equally experienced and located BUT way under paid.
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    Underpaid here for a few years now. Portfolio is big enough, been staying at this job for a few years now to buy time to take the AICP exam, then I'm getting outta dodge.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dan View post
    FWIW, these are Cyburbia's estimated demographics:

    http://www.quantcast.com/cyburbia.org/demographics
    Off-topic:
    Wow! Fascinating stuff here... how the heck do they estimate that 34% of visitors did not attend college? or that 75% don't have kids in the household?

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    Quote Originally posted by Mud Princess View post
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    Wow! Fascinating stuff here... how the heck do they estimate that 34% of visitors did not attend college? or that 75% don't have kids in the household?
    ...kids in the household between the ages of 6-17.

    What about kids less than 6 or older than 17? I guess I forgot about sacrificing that bratty 17 year old a few years ago and refusing to adopt any kid younger than 6. So yeah, those stats are pretty legit.

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    Cyburbian tsc's avatar
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    I am way above average,,,, but live in a VERY expensive area, too which the survey makes no comparison. That is one of my big gripes with the fees for APA
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    What I make is in the public record. What I tell APA I make is after the rest of the leaches have taken their share. I'll be darned if I'll pay a socialist organization tax on money I'll never see which already goes to other -and far more productive- things like government waste and bureaucracy. APA's "progressive" membership dues structure is one of the things I find most distastefull about them.
    Last edited by el Guapo; 03 Jun 2008 at 9:29 PM.

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    Well their survey stuff just did not work right for me but I am way above the average, "shocking" when you factor in I refuse to take the AICP exam etc.

    But as others have said the cost of living here is so high that any such survey is not reflective of life on the ground.
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    Average. But I feel like they do not quite reflect the area that I am in. Also, I dislike how if you don't work for a city in public sector you don't quite fit in the survey.

    I think since I am so young (1yr experience) no matter what I make it will be considered lower than what the average is. The AICP gives me $5,000. Which I promise my employer will not be giving me once I get it...
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    Cyburbian boiker's avatar
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    I'm incredibly average. My salery is +- $1000 of the average for my work experience/education/etc
    Dude, I'm cheesing so hard right now.

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    I will not comment on this thread about my own particular position on the salary scale, but I do agree that there is a great deal of variation about the where and how the median should be determined. Having a national median makes no sense what so ever. A 42 year old planner in Valdosta, Georgia with AICP certification and 15 years of experience will not make the same amount of money as a 35 year old planner in San Francisco, CA with no AICP certification and less than 7 years of experience. This is not meant to pick on Valdosta; it is a recognition that a national median number is meaningless. It does not take into account housing, food, fuel, taxes, and transportation. There needs to be regional variation taken into account for this to have any real meaning.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dan View post
    FWIW, these are Cyburbia's estimated demographics:

    http://www.quantcast.com/cyburbia.org/demographics
    Off-topic:
    I don't understand how they can harvest this information just from posting here. I'm skeptical.

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    I'm in the 50th percentile for pretty much every category, except I'm in the 75th percentile for pay with my years of experience (5-9 years).
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    Quote Originally posted by el Guapo View post
    What I make is in the public record. What I tell APA I make is after the rest of the leaches have taken their share. I'll be darned if I'll pay a socialist organization tax on money I'll never see which already goes to other -and far more productive- things like government waste and bureaucracy. APA's "progressive" membership dues structure is one of the things I find most distastefull about them.
    I think that is a good idea and I agree with you totally.
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