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    Quote Originally posted by Tom R View post
    Ok, is it cul-de-sacs or culs-de-sac?
    Culs-de-sac
    Mothers-in-law

    What I Really Hate: Random use of Capital Letters as though the writer works for a Publication which uses Headlines.

    One of my photo's shows a cleaner's with one of those extraneous apostrophe's. The letter kerning and a shadow on the facade show where it was had been.

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    Quote Originally posted by Veloise View post

    What I Really Hate: Random use of Capital Letters as though the writer works for a Publication which uses Headlines.
    my Planner loves using "random" capital Letters and random Quotation "marks."

    drives "me" Batty.
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    spelling

    Quote Originally posted by kjelsadek View post
    Does spelling count?

    G-R-A-M-M-A-R

    Ducks and runs for cover.....
    My favorite misspelling, and I'm sure you've all seen it or woke up in a cold sweat worrying about it, was a power point presentation where the l was omitted from public. AND, I hate the little grammar Nazi in Word that doesn't like powerpoint as one word.
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    Me personally, I'm anal about spelling. It is a pet peeve of mine when people talk in "text mode" while online (personals, blogs, fb, ms, etc.). I can't even do it, or else I would give an example........like "How R U 2day" type of stuff.

    One thing I am horrible with, is my overuse of comma's. I'm also bad at punctuation. For example, should the word "comma's" in the above sentence have an apostrophe?! Who knows, who cares....that's why I have my stuff proofread.....

    Quote Originally posted by dandy_warhol View post
    my Planner loves using "random" capital Letters and random Quotation "marks."

    drives "me" Batty.
    Ok dandy I think I just proved in this thread, that I am *that* person

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    Quote Originally posted by SW MI Planner View post
    ...One thing I am horrible with, is my overuse of comma's. I'm also bad at punctuation. For example, should the word "comma's" in the above sentence have an apostrophe?! Who knows, who cares....that's why I have my stuff proofread.....
    I care, and perhaps I can help.

    Commas, as used in the plural sense above, don't have an apostrophe, which is used to show ownership.

    The apple's price is $1.00.

    APPLES (not APPLE'S)
    $1.00

    Actual signage from our 24.7 hypermart:

    Cat's that sleep well are healthier

    Cats is plural, no punctuation needed.

    In summary: to write about "more than one" of something, don't use punctuation. We'll cover it's and its later!

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    Quote Originally posted by Tom R View post
    I hate the little grammar Nazi in Word that doesn't like powerpoint as one word.
    The Word grammar Nazi recognizes "powerpoint" as misspelled because it is a proper noun and its proper (and copyrighted) spelling is "PowerPoint."

    Lame, I know.
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    Quote Originally posted by Veloise View post
    Culs-de-sac
    Mothers-in-law

    What I Really Hate: Random use of Capital Letters as though the writer works for a Publication which uses Headlines.
    It's possible that such Capitalizations were being done by Someone from a primarily ethnic German Family and Grammar from the 'old Country' followed through over the Generations - IIRC, written German capitalizes all Nouns.

    Also, such was the case in the earliest years of the USA's Republic. For example, read the original text of the USA Constitution.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally posted by mgk920 View post
    It's possible that such Capitalizations were being done by Someone from a primarily ethnic German Family and Grammar from the 'old Country' followed through over the Generations - IIRC, written German capitalizes all Nouns.

    Also, such was the case in the earliest years of the USA's Republic. For example, read the original text of the USA Constitution. ...
    One of the prime offen--I mean, perpetrators opened a local thread:
    What does everyone do for a living? I am an Urban Planner.

    Dunno about ethnic heritage. Might be Polish.

    Current Language Usage does not require Capitalization of Every Single Freekin' Noun and Adjective in a Sentence.

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    wORse tHan thAt

    dOn'T yoU HaTe RanDoM CApS? unReADabLe.

    And how about quotes? My personal pet-peeve is the verbal use of the word quote for emphasis, Those Quote politicians Unquote really know how to screw up the world with their Quote bail-out Unquote packages!
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    Quote Originally posted by ofos View post
    And how about quotes? My personal pet-peeve is the verbal use of the word quote for emphasis, Those Quote politicians Unquote really know how to screw up the world with their Quote bail-out Unquote packages!
    Ugh, seriously?! I've never seen that and would have to poke my eyes out if I did. Other than just now I mean

    Thanks Veloise!! I'll try to remember that

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    Don't you just hate it when you start a new thread and notice after-the-fact that you used incorrect grammar?


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    Quote Originally posted by TerraSapient View post
    Don't you just hate it when you start a new thread and notice after-the-fact that you used incorrect grammar?


    BLASTED!
    Maybe on rare occasions. But on general principle I never spell Czech what I post on Cyburbia and usually leave, typos, misspellings, and awkward grammar unaltered.

    (you like how I started that last sentence with a conjunction? It's something I find myself doing more and more the last few years.)


    I've got a question. This thread is titled 'Attention grammar experts'


    What is the difference between a grammar
    and a grammar ??
    Last edited by Maister; 20 Dec 2012 at 8:38 AM.
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    I would say the former is someone who knows the fundamental rules and logical principles and offers their expertise to those who seek it (and probably sometimes to those who don't), where as the latter would be someone who compulsively corrects everyone.



    Edit: I just responded to a post that has been changed, so disregard if this no longer makes sense.
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    Quote Originally posted by Veloise View post
    What I Really Hate: Random use of Capital Letters as though the writer works for a Publication which uses Headlines.
    On Cyburbia, in the on-topic forums, we change thread title names to sentence case, because thread Titles appear on the front Page of the site, and random Capitalization is so Common.

    For some reason, planners really love to capitalize nouns, especially when it related to current planning or development review. A great example of this is the uncalibrated Smartcode.

    Quote Originally posted by SmartCode 9.2
    a. Thoroughfares are intended for use by vehicular and pedestrian traffic and to provide access to Lots and Open Spaces.

    b. Thoroughfares shall generally consist of vehicular lanes and Public Frontages.

    c. Thoroughfares shall be designed in context with the urban form and desired design speed of the Transect Zones through which they pass. The Public Frontages of Thoroughfares that pass from one Transect Zone to another shall be adjusted accordingly or, alternatively, the Transect Zone may follow the alignment of the Thoroughfare to the depth of one Lot, retaining a single Public Frontage throughout its trajectory.
    On a different note, because of its academic bent, the town where I work also has more than its share of copy editors, a few of which are on our boards and committees. I think this is one of the many reasons why the planning process here takes so much longer than in other communities where I worked. Elsewhere, I'll present an element of a comp plan, and a committee will discuss its policy, Here, the copy editors and university faculty will also dig into semantics.

    One copy editor that's on a few committees will take drafts of our work and reword them, often adding hyphens in compound words and terms that are normally unhyphenated. Thus, we see public-transit system, land-use plan, solar-panel array, unified-development code, and so on. They mean well, but I've devoted more time than I should to "dehyphenating"..
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    When writing code, I capitalize nouns when that noun is also listed in the definitions chapter.
    "I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany"

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    Oooh, two pet peeves in one paragraph! Dan, you know I love you!

    Quote Originally posted by Dan View post
    ... One copy editor that's on a few committees will take drafts of our work and reword them, often adding hyphens in compound words and terms that are normally unhyphenated. ... They mean well, but I've devoted more time than I should to "dehyphenating"...
    ** who's
    When referring to a walking talking human being, "who" > "that"


    ** This person
    Singular person. "They" is plural.
    Could also use "the contributor" or "our humble correspondent" or, if you know it's just one person but not sure who, "s/he" (colloquial).

    /rant
    In grad school I submitted a paper reviewing a local community's environmental regs. Extensive paragraph quotes from the document, appropriately indented and italicized, to distinguish from my own words. My prof editorialized on my use of this stylebook, giving me a B. Um, I've worked in publishing. You have not.

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    Quote Originally posted by Veloise View post
    ** This person
    Singular person. "They" is plural.
    "They" in this context is a gender-neutral pronoun.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dan View post
    "They" in this context is a gender-neutral pronoun.
    I gender neutral pronouns!
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    Quote Originally posted by Dan View post
    "They" in this context is a gender-neutral pronoun.
    Yup, I know; it's a usage that's taking over. Looked it up.

    Epicene they

    It still grates, like hearing "you guys" when the subjects are female. Or a diatribe about dancing and how men twirl women, but if the gal resists, "they" are "a" bad dancer. Huh?

    While looking for stuff, Me also found this.

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    I used to subscribe to a publication that had an editor who didn't edit. One particular frequent contributor wrote articles that were riddled with extra "apostrophe's" and quotation "marks" and had exclamation "point's" at the end of most declarative sentences! They all made it into print.

    My current peeve is that/which. Use "that" for a restrictive clause, and "which" for a non-restrictive clause. Another way to look at it is use "that" if you need the clause in the sentence, and "which" if you could just as easily leave the clause out. E.g. I live in the house that is at the end of the street. To identify my house in the sentence you need the clause "that is at the end of the street." My house, which is red, is at the end of the street. Don't need the clause about the color, so use "which."

    Now you know, which is good.

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    IME its standard to use bad grammar in planning. I've often had superiors edit my reports to take out what I learned to be good grammar - like active voice and breaking up run-on sentences.
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    Quote Originally posted by Otis View post
    ......My current peeve is that/which. .....
    Which irritates me off, too.
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    Quote Originally posted by Otis View post
    I used to subscribe to a publication that had an editor who didn't edit. One particular frequent contributor wrote articles that were riddled with extra "apostrophe's" and quotation "marks" and had exclamation "point's" at the end of most declarative sentences! They all made it into print.

    My current peeve is that/which. Use "that" for a restrictive clause, and "which" for a non-restrictive clause. Another way to look at it is use "that" if you need the clause in the sentence, and "which" if you could just as easily leave the clause out. E.g. I live in the house that is at the end of the street. To identify my house in the sentence you need the clause "that is at the end of the street." My house, which is red, is at the end of the street. Don't need the clause about the color, so use "which."

    Now you know, which is good.
    You've been reading my local newspaper online!
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    "Quote marks"

    Quote Originally posted by Otis View post
    I used to subscribe to a publication that had an editor who didn't edit. One particular frequent contributor wrote articles that were riddled with extra "apostrophe's" and quotation "marks" and had exclamation "point's" at the end of most declarative sentences! They all made it into print. ...
    A FB buddy (historical dance caller) suffered a great loss two days before Thanksgiving: his live-in GF abruptly died. With more than 800 friends, they crawl out of the woodwork to offer support on his wall. Some of it is...well, let's just say the counselors need counseling.

    One of my favorites: a woman on a spin cycle who goes on and on about Trader Joe's crunchy dehydrated onions. Friend posts something about how the ten page-form for cremation is too daunting for him (he is functioning remarkably well, considering) and she'll post another comment about where he can run go buy frozen chopped onions, or freeze-dried, or... I want to slap her silly. "Onion woman, go get that form and fill it out for Friend." When she raised the issue of "was the deceased Jewish," and Jews don't do cremation, and even if she didn't practice if her mother was born Jewish she's still a Jew, and her soul would be forced to wander for eternity, and.would.not.stop, Friend finally very gently shut her down.

    Another of his "supporters" is a "grief counselor" who cannot type a sentence without at least "three" sets of quotation marks. Sample:

    Thanks for sharing... Interesting observation, on "making arrangements"; then, "having the individuals... NOT show! Also, on "grieving"... I'd NEVER, considered that perspective; or, nomenclature of terms... before! As to "The Hobbit", I first read the book when it came out years ago, used to be: a "subscriber" to "The Shire Post"; and own a copy... of the animated cartoon! Have enjoyed, both immensely on repeat reading and viewing. Going to "see" the THREE HOUR feature, might be "a challenge" for me... Thanks for you observations, on the movie. I won't "shout" SPOILER ALERT, as I "care not"; reading about "strengths" and "weaknesses" of the live action and CGI film, will BRING AWARENESS to me, on "what" to "watch out" for!


    I want to push him "into the pyre" along with "psycho onion woman."

    (On the bright side, his FB friends set up a virtual cash shower to pay for the final arrangements. What a nice thing to do.)

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    I like how you indented and italiczed there. Have you ever worked in publishing?
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