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    Census - PSAP Participant Statistical Area Program

    Have you received your CD's yet ? Yes
    If you have have you loaded and opened up your community's map ? Yes, if you know GIS what they asking for looks pretty easy.
    How many CT (Census Tracks) and BG (Block Groups) do you have to deal with ?
    2 CT below minimum
    4 BG above minimum
    15 BG below minimum
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    Our regional planning council was suppose to take on this task. Because of budget cuts, they've opted out. For the past week or so, the Census folks have been calling me and yesterday I agreed to take on the work. The CD is suppose to be in the mail. I'm really not looking forward to this given all the other stuff on my plate.

    JNA, I might need some tips from you.
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    Do you get the login and password at the training?

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    Luckily I'm not directly doing PSAP, but I am "managing it".
    Dude, I'm cheesing so hard right now.

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    Quote Originally posted by CubbieBlue View post
    Do you get the login and password at the training?
    When your fair community gets the Program and Data CD's and after you load it you would find it in The User's Guide.

    Quote Originally posted by boiker View post
    Luckily I'm not directly doing PSAP, but I am "managing it".
    I am doing both managing and working it.
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    There is no password, the login is PSAP. It is the same for everyone.

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    Beyond the Census requirements (minimum, maximum, etc..) Does anyone have any 'strategies' for dividing a Census Tract? Do you look for geographic ease, or try to anticipate future growth? What about clumping similar demographics?

    Just wondering what people are thinking as they suggest new lines...

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    Just had the training today...

    You are supposed to follow geographic barriers as much as possible, didn't say anything about future growth.

    This whole thing is set up pretty dumb. There is really no reason for individual agencies to be setting up these tracts. If the Feds paid money to a firm to create a software program to do the mapping they might as well have paid a firm to create a program that takes all the information (that they already have) and create the census tracks autonomously. They claim it is because local agencies know the areas better; well the only way that argument stands is for mapping out CDP's and SLUA's...but the majority of those will end up being overlooked anyway.

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    I've nearly had it with the "appropriate" and "questionable" geographic boundaries. Unfortunately, due to complex topography and an incomplete road system it is making it very difficult to produce reasonable, non-gerrymandered block groups. I'm trying to retain the existing tract boundaries as much as possible. I'm not sure on how much latitude they are willing to give.

    Any seasoned vets want to weight in? How flexible are they with modified tracts? especially in areas of very high growth in the last 10 years.
    Dude, I'm cheesing so hard right now.

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    Quote Originally posted by boiker View post
    Any seasoned vets want to weight in? How flexible are they with modified tracts? especially in areas of very high growth in the last 10 years.
    I remember reading and planning to using their Justification Criteria (in the User's Guide on the CD) both for growth (splitting) and holding the boundaries - If I was at work I would be able to give you chapter and verse.

    I am planing to use that to split 2 different BG and in the Justification/dropdown box give them the # of permits issued 2000- 2008. BTW these were not identified on their GIS map as being below or above threshold so I am suggesting/creating them.
    One example is a subdivision that did not exist in 2000 but today has 360 homes built and has good boundary features - roads on 2 sides, a creek that is on our FIRM (Flood Insurance Rate Map), and a RR.

    Does doing LUCA and this for my second census in my fair community make me a seasoned vet ?

    Don't forget to call your Regional office and ask for geography/PSAP help.
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    From the Program Guide
    Census Tracts page 33 (printout) - Valid justifications for CT's that do not meet the criteria are as follows:
    Under 1. or 2.
    3rd one listed - New housing units built since 2000 (will meet threshold)
    I am planning to restate that criteria and give them the permit count.

    Block Groups page 46-47 (printout) the same.
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    I haven't installed mine yet but I will tell you -- I'm not looking forward to it. First, I worked on LUCA this year and I think I might hate the Census people. Secondly, we were told that native american land trusts need to be treated differently, which should be fun since in my tri-county area, more than 13K acres have just been accepted by the BIA.

    Next week, next week...
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    Quote Originally posted by JNA View post
    From the Program Guide
    Census Tracts page 33 (printout) - Valid justifications for CT's that do not meet the criteria are as follows:
    Under 1. or 2.
    3rd one listed - New housing units built since 2000 (will meet threshold)
    I am planning to restate that criteria and give them the permit count.

    Block Groups page 46-47 (printout) the same.
    Good news is that I found ways to work around the issues I had and I also talked to the local regional government office. When streets end at section lines and there are no permieter features use as boundaries, it is a pain.
    Dude, I'm cheesing so hard right now.

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    If you don't have about a million indian tribes and you know how to use a computer this shouldn't take you too long. I had three counties to do and I knocked it out in less than 3 hours.

    Who knows if it is the way they want it, but it is done.

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    dumb question?

    I'm confused. The maximum and minimum threshold part makes perfect sense to me. But what is showing up when I click on Boundary Eligibility Themes. I have quite a few "Not Acceptable" Boundary Eligiblities. Is that just warning me that I can't put a boundary there?
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    PSAP - Arlington VA Goals

    Generally speaking, our goal is to generate block groups that nest within our TAZ boundaries and Metro Station Areas, our primary planning areas. In our case, we are transit-oriented and our Metro Station areas are densely populated compared to the rest of the county.

    We are also hoping to submit new configurations for our Census Designated Place boundary sine we are getting dropped from the program due to its coextensive boundary with the county.

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    Quote Originally posted by RandomPlanner... View post
    I'm confused. The maximum and minimum threshold part makes perfect sense to me. But what is showing up when I click on Boundary Eligibility Themes. I have quite a few "Not Acceptable" Boundary Eligiblities. Is that just warning me that I can't put a boundary there?
    That is right - basically tract and block group boundaries can not be "non-physical' things like property lines or 'incomplete things' like streets that dead end. They should be nice, big through streets and rivers. If you have new streets that don't show up in the tiger data, I believe that you can confirm with explanation.

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