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    Chairman of the bored Maister's avatar
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    Chronic Pain

    Talking about the physical sort. I have been very ill for almost a week now and am struggling with constant pain in one ear. During the day, and while in an upright position it's nearly tolerable, but in a prone position it's excruciating. That's the biggest problem - no sleep. I mean none. I went so far as to go to the doctor and get hooked up with some vicodin, but no dice, it didn't eliminate (or even really diminish all that much) the pain (plus it makes me loopy). It amazes me how one seemingly small fact of life can seem to take hold of everything.

    I'm throwing out a general call for suggestions. So far one friend has suggested super hot showers/baths and booze and I'm going to immerse myself in that lifestyle presently and another suggested holding a hot onion over the ear, but I still remain open to other ideas too.

    More generally, has anyone else experienced excruciating pain for extended periods of time? I know in the big picture my problems today are relatively small and others live with Pain as a way of life. I wonder if one's pain tolerance gradually increases the longer and more often they experience it?

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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    ...... I wonder if one's pain tolerance gradually increases the longer and more often they experience it?
    Short answer: yes. Since the complete fracture of the ulna and radius and the separation of the elbow in my right arm, I've been in constant pain since....1978. I've grown to ignore it. (Endorphins?) Occasionally when the weather changes (I think it's due to changes in barometric pressure), I experience significant elbow pain.

    Back to your ear: I had ear aches growing up. My mom always had us lay on a hot water bottle wrapped with a towel so it was never too hot. Have you given that a try? Other than that, I have no suggestion other than having the ear surgically removed. You still have the other one?

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    Sure. For 40 years, I've experienced excruciating pain at least 2 days out of every month (check this out with your wife, mom, sisters, etc). Where going to school/work is torture. You guys need to suck it up, really. I've spent days curled around a pillow, crying, it's so bad. Missed exams, ruined expensive clothes. Month after month. Whiskey sours are good. Nowadays Aleve is good. With a hot pad. Dry heat, of course. Exercise helps pain.

    Then I could go into the ovarian pain (double dose of Aleve, couldn't stand up if you held a gun to my head) I get mid-month but maybe you get my drift.

    Funny, docs don't give vicodin for "girl trouble".

    I've had ear infections that hurt a lot. But really.... if it's more than that, let us know. Otherwise, most guys don't know what pain is.

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    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess View post
    Sure. For 40 years, I've experienced excruciating pain at least 2 days out of every month (check this out with your wife, mom, sisters, etc). Where going to school/work is torture. You guys need to suck it up, really. I've spent days curled around a pillow, crying, it's so bad. Missed exams, ruined expensive clothes. Month after month. Whiskey sours are good. Nowadays Aleve is good. With a hot pad. Dry heat, of course. Exercise helps pain.

    Then I could go into the ovarian pain (double dose of Aleve, couldn't stand up if you held a gun to my head) I get mid-month but maybe you get my drift.

    Funny, docs don't give vicodin for "girl trouble".

    I've had ear infections that hurt a lot. But really.... if it's more than that, let us know. Otherwise, most guys don't know what pain is.
    Not trying to be an asshole, but I would venture to say that the "girl trouble pain" you experience is not representative of women in general.

    Maister doesn't come across as a "complainer".

    Anyways.....I can't say I've experienced chronic, excruciating pain. I would imagine that everyone's tolerance is different. That being said, if the pain is not letting you sleep, even with medication, I would be a little concerned. Especially if it has something to do with the "head area".
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    Quote Originally posted by btrage View post
    That being said, if the pain is not letting you sleep, even with medication, I would be a little concerned. .
    This is very common with women. It woke me up more than once last night. But if I'm a girl, it's not a big deal?

    Quote Originally posted by btrage
    Especially if it has something to do with the "head area".
    Which head? Oh, there's only one you guys worry about.

    Quote Originally posted by btrage
    Not trying to be an asshole, but I would venture to say that the "girl trouble pain" you experience is not representative of women in general.
    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because we really do try to carry on even with the pain, having to run to the bathroom every 30 min, whatever. Because you guys scream and stick forks in your eyes if we try to tell you how it feels. Probably half the women you know have a horrible monthly period and you don't know. Don't presume. Most women have bad cramps at some point in their life.

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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    Talking about the physical sort. I have been very ill for almost a week now and am struggling with constant pain in one ear. During the day, and while in an upright position it's nearly tolerable, but in a prone position it's excruciating. That's the biggest problem - no sleep. I mean none. I went so far as to go to the doctor and get hooked up with some vicodin, but no dice, it didn't eliminate (or even really diminish all that much) the pain (plus it makes me loopy). It amazes me how one seemingly small fact of life can seem to take hold of everything.

    I'm throwing out a general call for suggestions. So far one friend has suggested super hot showers/baths and booze and I'm going to immerse myself in that lifestyle presently and another suggested holding a hot onion over the ear, but I still remain open to other ideas too.

    More generally, has anyone else experienced excruciating pain for extended periods of time? I know in the big picture my problems today are relatively small and others live with Pain as a way of life. I wonder if one's pain tolerance gradually increases the longer and more often they experience it?
    Have you seen an ENT??? Remember that your ears, sinuses, and nose are all interconnected. If you have some fluid that isn't draining properly it can create very painful pressure which can vary in intensity based on what you are doing-sitting, reclining, sleeping. I don't know if you recall but I was really sick summer before last with same type of thing and it took about 6 weeks for it to subside.
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    My mother experiences terrible chronic pain after a botched operation damaged some nerves about 8 years ago. Since then, she has experienced so many medical problems that the doctors cant seem to solve. Either way, she takes drugs to keep the pain away. Most days they work, some days they dont. Its not a fun way to live and we would do anything to take her pain away.

    I know exactly how you feel ZG . I suppose people dont see it as chronic pain as supposedly you can do something about it, you know you can pin point the issue so to speak. I dont believe that is true though
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    Maister -- Sorry to hear you're not well

    I'd bet the whole situation is worse because you can't sleep.

    I just got past a bout with shingles (adult re-flare of chicken pox) that kept me from sleeping, and without the rest it made things a lot worse.

    After a week I finally wound up mixing my painkillers with alcohol to knock me out, and the ability to rest/sleep is what got me through.

    My wife was hit by a truck while walking across the street just before we got married, and she has chronic, permanent pain in her lower back. Ongoing chiropractic care is the only thing that has brought her relief, and believe me, we tried everything before she discovered that and found it to really work.
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    Quote Originally posted by AnvilPartners View post
    After a week I finally wound up mixing my painkillers with alcohol to knock me out
    I wouldn't recommend this approach!

    I agree with kjelsadek that you should see an ear, nose & throat specialist to identify and treat the cause of the problem. Plus a specialist may be better at recommending an appropriate treatment for the pain.

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    I will echo what others have said, get your backside to a good ENT NOW I have had ear problems my whole life...one turned into spinal meningitis-I almost died!

    I have a great ENT after seeing a number of quacks, this guy gets it and if I am suffering more than a few days he lances my ear drum sucks out the nasty and its immediate relief. Cronic or long term ear infection can lead to an infection of the skull...you dont even want to think about how they have to deal with this not so small probelm.

    hell ear hurting could also be your teeth so if its not something they can find right away ask for a head X-ray to see if a wisdom tooth could be pushing on something.

    FYI yes I am just like ZG with monthly pain, there are no words I can use here to discribe the pain for hours. At least with my kidney stones they give me dilaudid (good stuff let me tell you).

    Hang in there but get your self to a ENT now, not next week but NOW!
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    I was in constant, excruciating please-just-kill-me-now pain for 3 1/2 years straight.

    Check your messages.

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    Funny you should ask. Today I am having lower back pain to beat the band. It happens a couple times a year. Sitting hurts. Lying down doesn't help (in that, yes, it doesn't hurt if I lie still but getting up again seems to make it worse again). It isn't spinal, it is strained muscles. In five days to a week it will be mostly gone. I just work it out - walking, mostly.

    Back in my mind always is that my father has had debilitating arthritis since he was about 30 years old. Robbed him out of a lot in life. Most of my memories of my father is him in a chair or in bed. He had to be self-employed because he couldn't work for a company, which wouldn't tolerate his absences.

    So every time I get achy for a long time or my joints are hurting for a few days, I wonder if I am getting arthritis. My sister got it. I tell myself that if my time does come, I am not going to lie down and let life pass me by like my dad. I am going to get off my ass and keep on keeping on, despite the pain. My boy needs a dad, not a guy in a chair. My wife needs a husband, not an invalid (I've seen the tension between my parents because of the extra burden my mother had to shoulder). My family depends on me.
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    I have been very ill for almost a week now and am struggling with constant pain in one ear. During the day, and while in an upright position it's nearly tolerable, but in a prone position it's excruciating.
    Parents should recognize these signals as classic signs of an ear infection!!

    I am not a doctor (and I don't even play one in the bedroom), so I'm not saying you for sure have one, but I would bet a small sum that its either an infection or heading toward one. You need to get to your doctor, a backup doctor or urgent care ASAP. The longer it goes on, the more painful it will be and the longer it will take to heal. They will give you antibiotics and you should start to feel better within 24 hours. It will take a few days to entirely go away.

    I have only had one ear infection as an adult and it was AWFUL! It came after a prolonged (and undiagnosed for too long) bout with strep throat. An unattended ear infection can lead to a ruptured eardrum which is even more painful. I got that too. It does heal, but it takes a while. But untreated, it is possible to lose one's hearing. My mother lost her's as a kid with Scarlet Fever that went untreated for too long and resulted in an ear infection.

    Once you have the medicine, you'll still want to sleep sitting up as much as you can. At some point (if it is indeed an infection) you may get some nasty stuff oozing from your ear in the night...

    I can't emphasize enough the need to get to a doctor right away or its going to get even worse. Again, I'm no doctor, but I think this merits a professional's opinion.
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    Maister: It sounds like you either have an outer ear infection (swimmer's ear), which is one of the most painful things on the face of the earth (beyond childbirth). Or maybe you've ruptured your eardrum? I've had both in the last few years (blame children with continuous ear infections spreading their germs) and it usually doesn't get better when you're in that much pain without antibiotics. I would go back to another doctor for a second opnion or take yourself to an ER. Doctors can be wrong.

    Shout out to ZG -- I have the exact same problem. It IS common in women (of my friends, at least half have the issue). Having twins seemed to help my cramps problem (I think my uterus is so stretched out now that it can't cramp anymore!), but I found the surefire trick is taking two Aleve the day before I know it's going to come on and continue every 12 hours until I know it's over. That allowed me to work without wanting to cry for my momma. Middleschmertz mid-month is now a total PITA.

    My own current constant pain compliant was sorta resolved today -- I thought I had plantar fasciitis - pain in my heel. I couldn't even walk on that foot and I held out for about two months because I thought it would heal on its own. Finally broke down and went to a podiatrist - I had an x-ray today and they found a huge bone spur. So I got a very large needle of cortisone and a splint. Might have to have surgery....geez...put me in a wheel chair and send me to the nursing home.

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    In January 08 I broke my tibia, fibula, and shattered my ankle. I have 2 plates and 9screws in my leg and foot. The arthritis is very painful now, especially when the barometric pressure changes. Nothing helps.

    I've also had 4 bouts of Pancreatitis in the last year. The only thing that helps is 4-5 days in the hospital on a morphine pump. Not recommended.

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    My first wife was a chronic pain but she left me and I've been better ever since. Much better.
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    Quote Originally posted by ofos View post
    My first wife was a chronic pain but she left me and I've been better ever since. Much better.
    I'll bet the "feelings" are mutual.

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    I would like to thank some of my fellow menstruating women for taking the time to say they, or someone they know, suffers horrible pain. You guys need to know this term: MENSTRUATION. Don't be shy. It happens. Be nice to your wives/daughters, etc. during this time. We're not making it up.

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    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess View post
    I would like to thank some of my fellow menstruating women for taking the time to say they, or someone they know, suffers horrible pain. You guys need to know this term: MENSTRUATION. Don't be shy. It happens. Be nice to your wives/daughters, etc. during this time. We're not making it up.
    Pumpkin, sweetheart, with all due respect, admiration and appreciation, would you please start a new thread to discuss this topic? I mean, we're talking about Maister's ear in this thread.

    Thank you in advance for your kind consideration.

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    Quote Originally posted by RichmondJake View post
    Pumpkin, sweetheart, with all due respect, admiration and appreciation, would you please start a new thread to discuss this topic? I mean, we're talking about Maister's ear in this thread.

    Thank you in advance for your kind consideration.
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    Quote Originally posted by JNA View post
    Off-topic:
    Where is he going ?
    He is going to, as we say here in Detroit, to take a dirt nap.
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    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner View post
    He is going to, as we say here in Detroit, to take a dirt nap.
    She did mention that she was planting blueberries and raspberries. Perhaps he was a little extra fertilizer for the new plants.
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    After his post, a far better place. I just hope ZG lets us know where to send the flowers.

    As for the ear infection post that started all this, I'll chime in and advise to go to the doc. I've had an eardrum burst due to infection and it's not a lot of fun. The pain up to the point it burst was excuriating. Like PG, I've had an ear drained, which is really an odd feeling and the stuff they pull out is truely gross looking.
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