Urban planning community

+ Reply to thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 47

Thread: Tea Party anyone?

  1. #1
    Cyburbian michaelskis's avatar
    Registered
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Trying to get out of the icebox....
    Posts
    13,350

    Tea Party anyone?

    I know that many people in here lean left on their political views, but I was wondering what everyoneís impression of the upcoming tax day tea party is? If you donít know about it already, it is an organized protest of the federal governments excessive taxation.

    One City in FL is denying the right to protest because they fear it will result in too many people coming into town. I find it interesting that a City will deny someone their first amendment rights. But then again, I donít know if there is more to the story.

    Will you be attending a tea party? What do you think of this organized national protest? Do you agree or disagree with the message that they are trying to send out?

    You can learn more about the organized tea parties at this website.
    "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. Time makes more converts than reason." - Thomas Paine Common Sense.

  2. #2
    Super Moderator luckless pedestrian's avatar
    Registered
    Aug 2005
    Location
    in a meeting
    Posts
    8,748
    yes - I read this article yesterday - intriguing stuff: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/ma...1&ref=magazine

    but I guess I am part of the mass hysterics that don't question and just pay...

  3. #3
    No, I will not be attending. I think they are the conservative version of tinfoil hat wearers. The government spends money on things we don't all approve of. They spend my money on things I don't approve it-the past 8 years being a prime example. Yes, they will spend supporting people and corporations who gig the system. However, they also spend my money on things I approve of. That's they way it goes. The alternative is laisey-faire capitalism and anarchy. Either one is worse than what we've got.
    When did I go from Luke Skywalker to Obi-Wan Kenobi?

  4. #4
    Cyburbian Plus Zoning Goddess's avatar
    Registered
    Sep 1999
    Location
    400 miles from Orlando
    Posts
    13,823
    Unfortunately, we had one here on Saturday. It was a collective "yawn....". 30 people showed up, comparing Obama to Hitler. Really, now....

    http://www.newsherald.com/news/prote.../city_tea.html

  5. #5
    Super Moderator kjel's avatar
    Registered
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Wishing I were in Asia somewhere!
    Posts
    10,020
    Blog entries
    5
    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    Will you be attending a tea party? What do you think of this organized national protest? Do you agree or disagree with the message that they are trying to send out?
    Not sure about a Tea Party but we are having an Empty Wallet Funeral Procession in honor of the death of the middle class in NJ tomorrow. Two caskets full of empty wallets collected by the listeners of NJ 101.5 talk radio will be delivered in a hearse to the state capitol.
    "He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?" Jeremiah 22:16

  6. #6
    Cyburbian CJC's avatar
    Registered
    Feb 2007
    Location
    San Francisco, CA
    Posts
    1,689
    If people want to protest, more power to them. If they get a lot of publicity it could help change the outcome of future elections or at least change the behavior of those in power now. Me? Not so much. I feel like we're heading in a pretty good direction right now with regards to taxation policy changes.
    Two wrongs don't necessarily make a right, but three lefts do.

  7. #7
    Cyburbian rcgplanner's avatar
    Registered
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Back in SE Texas
    Posts
    1,726
    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess View post
    Unfortunately, we had one here on Saturday. It was a collective "yawn....". 30 people showed up, comparing Obama to Hitler. Really, now....

    http://www.newsherald.com/news/prote.../city_tea.html
    This was my favorite quote of the article, "Knoll railed against "give-away programs" and AmeriCorps, which he believes Obama is using to "indoctrinate our children."

    Ahh, yes what a horrible thing to "indoctrinate" our children with, AmeriCorps, encouraging people to serve the community. Those horrible AmeriCorps programs like:

    Tutor and mentor disadvantaged youth
    Fight illiteracy
    Improve health services
    Build affordable housing
    Teach computer skills
    Clean parks and streams
    Manage or operate after-school programs
    Help communities respond to disasters

    Give me a break! (rolls eyes)

  8. #8
    Cyburbian mgk920's avatar
    Registered
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Appleton, Wisconsin
    Posts
    4,182
    And then the *HUGE* media coverage that you'll see if three or four anti whatever war protesters start walking around with THEIR silly signs....

    Do I sense a bit of a double-standard here?

    And yes, our esteemed teleprompter-in-chief's headlong dive into socialism/corporatism is distressing to me, to say the least.



    Mike

  9. #9
    Cyburbian otterpop's avatar
    Registered
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Down by Dun Ringill
    Posts
    6,180
    Blog entries
    6
    Having e-filed my income tax on Saturday, and paying 6.27 percent of our family's income in federal taxes, it is hard for me to work up enough outrage to attend a "tea party."
    "I am very good at reading women, but I get into trouble for using the Braille method."

    ~ Otterpop ~

  10. #10
    Cyburbian btrage's avatar
    Registered
    May 2005
    Location
    Metro Detroit
    Posts
    6,420
    Tea Parties?? Seriously?? Their website makes them look like cooks. Come up with something original and I'll actually take the time to care.
    "I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany"

  11. #11
    Cyburbian Duke Of Dystopia's avatar
    Registered
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Cyburbias Brewpub, best seat in the haus!
    Posts
    2,677
    Quote Originally posted by mgk920 View post
    ....

    And yes, our esteemed teleprompter-in-chief's headlong dive into socialism/corporatism is distressing to me, to say the least.



    Mike
    Really? Teleprompters are now a sign of a bad politician? You should be talking about a double standards, the way you forget significant details.

    Take the tin foil hat off for a little while, and let the calming sensations wash over your mind.
    I can't deliver UTOPIA, but I can create a HELL for you to LIVE in :)DoD:(

  12. #12
    Cyburbian CJC's avatar
    Registered
    Feb 2007
    Location
    San Francisco, CA
    Posts
    1,689
    Quote Originally posted by mgk920 View post
    And then the *HUGE* media coverage that you'll see if three or four anti whatever war protesters start walking around with THEIR silly signs....

    Do I sense a bit of a double-standard here?

    And yes, our esteemed teleprompter-in-chief's headlong dive into socialism/corporatism is distressing to me, to say the least.



    Mike
    Dunno what you mean here. I can find a war protest of several dozen people (at least) pretty much every day of the week in SF and probably two per day in Berkeley. The media doesn't seem to care much unless it's one with several thousand people because any protest with less than that is rightfully seen as a protest from small fringe movements that do not represent large groups of people, so no, I don't see a double standard.
    Two wrongs don't necessarily make a right, but three lefts do.

  13. #13
    Cyburbian imaplanner's avatar
    Registered
    May 2004
    Location
    Snarkville
    Posts
    6,593
    Quote Originally posted by mgk920 View post
    Do I sense a bit of a double-standard here?
    Only with every single one of your political viewpoints

  14. #14
    Cyburbian illinoisplanner's avatar
    Registered
    May 2005
    Location
    The Fox Valley
    Posts
    4,854
    Blog entries
    1
    Protesting? Isn't that for Democrats?

    Seriously, I've only protested once in my life, and it was in an effort to stop a governor who sells Senate seats in his spare time from getting re-elected.
    "Life's a journey, not a destination"
    -Steven Tyler

  15. #15
    Cyburbian otterpop's avatar
    Registered
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Down by Dun Ringill
    Posts
    6,180
    Blog entries
    6
    Quote Originally posted by mgk920 View post
    And yes, our esteemed teleprompter-in-chief's headlong dive into socialism/corporatism is distressing to me, to say the least.



    Mike
    It is just great to actually have a president who can read the teleprompter and speaks in complete and intelligible sentences.
    "I am very good at reading women, but I get into trouble for using the Braille method."

    ~ Otterpop ~

  16. #16
    Cyburbian safege's avatar
    Registered
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Golden Valley MN
    Posts
    714
    We haven't had an income tax increase in over a decade, and we are having a tea party?

    Aren't we supposed to wait until a tax increase is passed? That only seems fair.
    Psychotics are consistently inconsistent. The essence of sanity is to be inconsistently inconsistent.
    -Larry Wall

  17. #17
    Cyburbian Raf's avatar
    Registered
    Feb 2007
    Location
    As far south of SoCal as I Will Go
    Posts
    5,331
    Quote Originally posted by safege View post
    We haven't had an income tax increase in over a decade, and we are having a tea party?

    Aren't we supposed to wait until a tax increase is passed? That only seems fair.
    If anyone is having a tea party it is residents of California (although we get to vote on our tax increases in may) however i think protesters and others wackos from the Bay Area would protest dumping tea bags, and other "non-eco" friendly materials in SF Bay.
    follow me on the twitter @rcplans

  18. #18
    Gunfighter Mastiff's avatar
    Registered
    Oct 2001
    Location
    Middle of a Dusty Street
    Posts
    6,415
    [mod hat on]

    Let's keep it civil... everyone. Thank you.

    [/mod hat off]

    Now then. The original Boston Tea Party wasn't to protest taxes, it was to protest a lack of representation. No one likes taxes, no one likes government to waste our money, except those who benefit from the waste. And if you think those people care if you toss a couple bags of Lipton into some water, you're mistaken.

    Which one of you planner types is making 200 or 250 thousand a year?! That's what just kills me about this argument. Want to start a great political party? Create the "Under 2 K" platform. But it never works that way... People find an ideology that fits them closely, and just go along with the fiscal policies of that party. Yeah, how about this?

    I don't care about guns, abortion, gay marriage, stem cells, or health care. Leave all of that up to the individual states. We're the UNDER 2K FISCAL PARTY!

    Who's with me?
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    C'mon and get me you twist of fate
    I'm standing right here Mr. Destiny
    If you want to talk well then I'll relate
    If you don't so what cause you don't scare me

  19. #19
    Cyburbian
    Registered
    Jun 2005
    Location
    chaos
    Posts
    873
    I did enjoy the Daily Show's coverage of the Tea Parties.

    "Teabag the White House!"

  20. #20
    Cyburbian michaelskis's avatar
    Registered
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Trying to get out of the icebox....
    Posts
    13,350
    Quote Originally posted by Mastiff View post
    [mod hat on]

    Let's keep it civil... everyone. Thank you.

    [/mod hat off]

    Now then. The original Boston Tea Party wasn't to protest taxes, it was to protest a lack of representation. No one likes taxes, no one likes government to waste our money, except those who benefit from the waste. And if you think those people care if you toss a couple bags of Lipton into some water, you're mistaken.

    Which one of you planner types is making 200 or 250 thousand a year?! That's what just kills me about this argument. Want to start a great political party? Create the "Under 2 K" platform. But it never works that way... People find an ideology that fits them closely, and just go along with the fiscal policies of that party. Yeah, how about this?

    I don't care about guns, abortion, gay marriage, stem cells, or health care. Leave all of that up to the individual states. We're the UNDER 2K FISCAL PARTY!

    Who's with me?
    I mostly agree with you.

    I however think that the federal government should get back to the limited powers that the Constitution of the United States granted it. The rest should be left up to the states.

    Gun ownership however is protected by the second amendment, therefore it is a federal issue. The issue however is not to prevent gun ownership, but the protection of the right to own guns.

    Administrations since the 1920’s (regardless who has been in office) have just increased the power and control over the federal government. There was substantial increases in federal control during the Carter administration, and now the largest increase in Government power and regulation EVER is happening before our own eyes… all in complete conflict to the constitution.

    The sad part is with the exception of a few people, no one is doing much to stop it. I don’t think that the tea party will do much of anything beyond get some people talking about the problems at hand. I think that protests do very little to actually improve a situation.
    "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. Time makes more converts than reason." - Thomas Paine Common Sense.

  21. #21
    Cyburbian Linda_D's avatar
    Registered
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Jamestown, New York
    Posts
    1,704
    Quote Originally posted by mgk920 View post
    And then the *HUGE* media coverage that you'll see if three or four anti whatever war protesters start walking around with THEIR silly signs....

    Do I sense a bit of a double-standard here?

    And yes, our esteemed teleprompter-in-chief's headlong dive into socialism/corporatism is distressing to me, to say the least.



    Mike
    The double standard I see is that some in the media keep trying to make a story out of these "tea parties" as if they are representative of political opinion in this country. They obviously aren't, since Obama still has a 60% approval rating. When these protests start getting 35,000 participants like the anti-G-20 protests in the UK, then the media will pay attention.

  22. #22
    Gunfighter Mastiff's avatar
    Registered
    Oct 2001
    Location
    Middle of a Dusty Street
    Posts
    6,415
    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    I however think that the federal government should get back to the limited powers that the Constitution of the United States granted it. The rest should be left up to the states.
    Agreed...

    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    Gun ownership however is protected by the second amendment, therefore it is a federal issue. The issue however is not to prevent gun ownership, but the protection of the right to own guns.
    Well, my whole premise was that we put the "hot button" issues aside, and do what's best for the majority of us. And gun regulation is certainly one of them... Also, gun regs do vary from state to state. For instance, when I drove from the midwest to the PacNW, one state... Utah, does not allow open carry in a vehicle. So I had to pull over at the border, store the weapon, and then take it back out when I reached Idaho.

    The point is that people can make change in a state. Look at the measures that make ballots... but no one can fight the Feds. So you can either choose to live in a state with less strict regulations, or try and change the regs of the state where you live. And that goes for any issue.

    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    Administrations since the 1920’s (regardless who has been in office) have just increased the power and control over the federal government. There was substantial increases in federal control during the Carter administration, and now the largest increase in Government power and regulation EVER is happening before our own eyes… all in complete conflict to the constitution.
    I agree with your statement, especially since you say regardless of who is in office. This mean you're with me? The UNDER 2K FISCAL PARTY needs you! If elected, I think you'd make a fine Secretary of Federal Program Dismantlement... Of course, once you're finished, I'll have to cut your position.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    C'mon and get me you twist of fate
    I'm standing right here Mr. Destiny
    If you want to talk well then I'll relate
    If you don't so what cause you don't scare me

  23. #23
    Cyburbian btrage's avatar
    Registered
    May 2005
    Location
    Metro Detroit
    Posts
    6,420
    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    I however think that the federal government should get back to the limited powers that the Constitution of the United States granted it. The rest should be left up to the states.
    I'm curious what powers it is that you feel the federal government should be relieved of?

    I ask because your statement is a very"apple-pie and motherhood" statement. The vast majority of citizens and politicians will agree with this statement. The devil is in the details.

    I'm too lazy to do it right now, but an interesting topic for a thread would be to debate the merits of certain powers and who should be responsible for what. Feds vs. the States. And to truly discuss the implications of various scenarios.
    "I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany"

  24. #24
    Cyburbian mgk920's avatar
    Registered
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Appleton, Wisconsin
    Posts
    4,182
    Quote Originally posted by btrage View post
    I'm curious what powers it is that you feel the federal government should be relieved of?

    I ask because your statement is a very"apple-pie and motherhood" statement. The vast majority of citizens and politicians will agree with this statement. The devil is in the details.

    I'm too lazy to do it right now, but an interesting topic for a thread would be to debate the merits of certain powers and who should be responsible for what. Feds vs. the States. And to truly discuss the implications of various scenarios.
    Well, if you read the US Constitution, it gives a very specific list of powers and responsibilities of Congress, the Executive branch and the Judiciary, a very specific list of *prohibited* actions by states along with the Tenth Amendment, which states: "The powers not delegated to the United States (read: 'Federal Government' here) by this Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    Sounds pretty clear to me. My read on it is that there is a very narrow set of powers and responsibilities set forth for the Federal Government and ANYTHING and EVERYTHING else (IMHO, including all social welfare programs and the like and most social policies beyond what is covered by the various other Amendments) are solely the realm of the individual states.

    Mike

  25. #25
    Cyburbian CJC's avatar
    Registered
    Feb 2007
    Location
    San Francisco, CA
    Posts
    1,689
    Quote Originally posted by mgk920 View post
    Well, if you read the US Constitution, it gives a very specific list of powers and responsibilities of Congress, the Executive branch and the Judiciary, a very specific list of *prohibited* actions by states along with the Tenth Amendment, which states: "The powers not delegated to the United States (read: 'Federal Government' here) by this Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    Sounds pretty clear to me. My read on it is that there is a very narrow set of powers and responsibilities set forth for the Federal Government and ANYTHING and EVERYTHING else (IMHO, including all social welfare programs and the like and most social policies beyond what is covered by the various other Amendments) are solely the realm of the individual states.

    Mike
    The key quote is "my read on it". We've got an entire branch of government whose job it is to interpret and reinterpret the constitution. Some things that would have been accepted as constitutional or unconstitutional before the Civil War have flipped. Some things that were accepted before this century have flipped. Some things that were accepted before the civil rights movements have flipped. Many things have been reinterpreted to fit in better with the times. This was expected, and was the reason that the founders created a judicial branch. Everyone has their own interpretation of the constitution. Only one matters - the one made by the folks in the black robes.
    Two wrongs don't necessarily make a right, but three lefts do.

+ Reply to thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

More at Cyburbia

  1. Biggest Party
    Friday Afternoon Club
    Replies: 19
    Last post: 07 Feb 2007, 10:21 PM
  2. Replies: 8
    Last post: 31 Dec 2006, 6:17 PM
  3. That 70s versus 80s party
    Friday Afternoon Club
    Replies: 9
    Last post: 19 Jun 2006, 1:19 PM
  4. Birthday party
    Friday Afternoon Club
    Replies: 1
    Last post: 01 Apr 2004, 9:55 PM
  5. C'mon all you party people!
    Friday Afternoon Club
    Replies: 31
    Last post: 06 Nov 2003, 11:31 AM