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    Cyburbian Veloise's avatar
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    BZA member Veloise

    It's official. My city commissioner put something on my Facebook page.

    Not an elected position, so I had no campaigning to do. "We'll approve her as an alternate so she can learn the ropes." Yeah, right. I've written BZA minutes, presented to them (various munis), provided staff opinions, interpreted the ordinances...

    First meeting is tomorrow, coincidentally mitigating a trip to the home office and an abruptly-scheduled meeting with the consultants. (Been driving there for six weeks, to attend [cancelled] meetings and find out that I have no computer access. Bad planning.)

    I won't be upset at all if the local paper runs a piece like this one. Not one little bit. (This is not me.)
    http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi..._mary_ang.html

    The city's timing is perfect, coinciding with me declining the HR dept's "offer" to re(re)locate to Day-Twah just yesterday.

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    Ropes = Politics, remember that.

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    Congrats! Whip those BZA folks into shape.

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    Congrats from this Bear.

    What's a BZA?

    (Non-planner types often play here.)



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    Cyburbian Veloise's avatar
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    Board of Zoning Appeals.

    Let's say you want to put a cellular flagpole up at a school, but it's not a permitted use, and the Planning Commission (first step) turns you down. Brain cancer, children playing, property values, the usual nimby reasons. Next stop is the BZA, a quasi-judicial body whose decisions carry the force of law. They can approve your non-conforming use despite what it stated in the zoning ordinance.

    Other examples abound, but that was an agenda item the last time I attended. (Someone else's tower, not mine.)

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    Quote Originally posted by Veloise View post
    Board of Zoning Appeals.
    You west-coasters are so backwards. Hasn't anybody told the Luddite Puritans out there that it's ZBA and not BZA?

    I'm just wasting bandwidth but I have honestly never seen it as BZA.
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    Fat Cat

    Congratulations. I assume that they abide by the criteria for meeting a variance.
    I noticed the comments in the news article, and assume that this is from the local "Welcome Wagon"

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    Congrats Vel.
    When did I go from Luke Skywalker to Obi-Wan Kenobi?

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    Cyburbian Veloise's avatar
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    First meeting is today (RJ-ing!)

    Quote Originally posted by WSU MUP Student View post
    You west-coasters are so backwards. Hasn't anybody told the Luddite Puritans out there that it's ZBA and not BZA?

    I'm just wasting bandwidth but I have honestly never seen it as BZA.
    I'll be sure to tell them that.

    Wasting bandwith is a great way to achieve higher clubbbbbe levels, I've heard.

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    Quote Originally posted by Veloise View post
    Board of Zoning Appeals
    Here in Texas it is the Zoning Board of Adjustment, but we usually refer to it as the BOA in my community. Think we had Board of Zoning Appeals back in Indiana.
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    Cyburbian Plus JNA's avatar
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    Quote Originally posted by WSU MUP Student View post
    You west-coasters are so backwards. Hasn't anybody told the Luddite Puritans out there that it's ZBA and not BZA?

    I'm just wasting bandwidth but I have honestly never seen it as BZA.
    That is we call it because that is what it is in the State Code.
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    Quote Originally posted by Joe Iliff View post
    Here in Texas it is the Zoning Board of Adjustment, but we usually refer to it as the BOA in my community. Think we had Board of Zoning Appeals back in Indiana.
    In Kentucky, they are called BOA-Board of Adjustments.
    When did I go from Luke Skywalker to Obi-Wan Kenobi?

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    Congrats and condolences!
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

    The ends can justify the means.

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    Quote Originally posted by WSU MUP Student View post
    You west-coasters are so backwards. Hasn't anybody told the Luddite Puritans out there that it's ZBA and not BZA?

    I'm just wasting bandwidth but I have honestly never seen it as BZA.
    The Michigan Zoning Enabling Act consistently calls it the "Zoning Board of Appeals." The lawyers I've worked with since the new act in 2006 made sure all updates were consistently ZBA. No BZAs were allowed in the new text. Just saying.

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    Congrats! And good luck at your first meeting.

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    It was fascinating. I stayed for the whole meeting (three hours), and awoke more brain cells than I have in the last three months of chair-warming at work.

    Several sign variances, including two applications from a development team I worked with and got to know pretty well when installing rooftop antennas atop their one building. (No need to recuse; I was not voting.) They want an extension on their banners hawking CONDOS OPEN HOUSE SUNDAY PHONE NUMBER TAX FREE. These have been up since before there was a sign application, so part of the conditions is: file for a permit, and pay for it.

    A pole sign variance from Huge Parking Co. "This is our standard sign, we use it all over the city." However, in this district, ground signs are prevalent. Applicant derided those as "tombstones," which did not help. Denied.

    First guy up owns a teeny narrow lot with an oddly catawampus house and a carport that overhangs the property line. Wants to enclose it due to safety (pedestrians, loitering). Approved.

    Huge Christian College wants a variance on "family" so as to allow eight undergrads and two adult mentors to all live in one upgraded house. Hey, how come the building was expanded and enlarged before all y'all got our approval? College played the hardship card; they need eight students to make the numbers work. Neighbors played the parking card. Tabled.

    Bonus: good conversations with the established board members during the (free) lunch. "What is the Bicycle Summit?" asked one, which I addressed. I had more verbal interplay in the first fifteen minutes than I have all month. (I live alone, human-wise, and there's no one to talk to at work.)

    Got to see a couple of my city buddies (former colleagues from the planning department...I was a seasonal temp for several months in '04-05). Ditched the four-wheeler at home, saddled up and rode there.

    This was followed by the opening reception for the Friends of the GR Parks (rode there), which sucked a Grant (presidential portrait) out of my resources but netted me a T-shirt. And a hug from my city commissioner. And FTF meet-ups with several Facebook friends. And table-sharing with a family; the two little kids (4 and 6) did puzzles with me.

    Can I do this again tomorrow?

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