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    Quote Originally posted by urban19 View post
    Well, for the most part all I see from Raf is him trying to seem educated about a town he "supposely" gives a crap about. Not once have I seen him post links or reference where he makes his claims about me being wrong. All he does is sit on my threads criticizing my opinions. And I'm not afraid to call him out on it. I wouldn't be surprised if his company does the planning work the Copelands.

    If Raf claims to be professional, then he will cut it with his humor and bring out some facts. After all no one really knows who you're talking to online.
    http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showp...8&postcount=32

    Really? You posted an opinion from the Cal Coast News? A non-print online rag that is below the San Luis New Times? A "news" source that recycles news and has an investigative reporter who "supposedly digs for facts but all she can do is read a top of a folder and make a news story out of it even if you read the signed agreement it said "low income housing". Yea. I would rely on that...

    Dude. I don't give a crap what goes in. I could give a flying funk what store or restaurant, or whatever. All i care about is if it is designed well, went through the permitting process properly, and had a proper public hearing process.

    As for Dalido, I have to keep my mouth shut. I no longer work for the company that produced material for the project, yet we sign confidentially clauses and I still honor that.

    You want to have a legit discussion on planning in San Luis such as Prado Road extension, Orcutt Specific Plan, Eagle Ranch and how that will shape the the north county, or anything else planning related, yea I will back it up. But all you seem to obsess about is this store, that store, this Macy's. Who cares? Seriously? Who Cares? People are reading this thread and laughing. Read it. It is comical. It is epic. It's UIC is threw the charts, and trust me, they are not laughing with you.

    You want facts. These are all the facts you need. Everything else is speculation. Read, love them, get to know them. After that, the TIs and everything else gets plan checked against them. Why should planners care about what goes in?
    And speculation is the mother of all ****ups..

    http://www.slocity.org/communitydeve...wnfinaleis.pdf

    http://www.slocity.org/communitydeve...leirupdate.pdf

    http://www.slocity.org/communitydeve...alAddendum.pdf

    http://www.slocity.org/cityclerk/min.../111709min.pdf
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    "The Rent is too dammed low!"
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    If you're going to be building new you're going to need to be generating a lot of dough to pay back development costs. The developer needs to charge relatively high rents in order to make the project work. $3.50 is not high. It is cheap. Even here in Detroit where you can buy a functioning house for $5,000 $3.50 is cheap rent.

    The CPSU is correct the facts you use to back up your claims are very poor. You do no seem to learn from constructive criticism. If you worked for me you would have been canned long ago. We understand that you are young, but you should not be naieve. There is no room in this business for that. Dreaming is good, but sometimes dreams will not be realistic. We live in a world where economic sense dictates if things are going to be built.

    You're attacking people who you should be thanking for citiquing your work. Remember when you're out of school you're going to be looking for a job. CPSU may be in a position to have a job for you. You are right now digging a hole by being stubborn, lazy, and argumentitive. You may think that you are safe because of the relatively impersonal world of the internet, but the planning world is quite small and you are leaving breadcrumbs (or clues) that form a trail to lead an astute interviewer right to your line of thinking.

    Makes me wish I took a side trip from Malibu up to SLO over Christmas break just to see all of this. After all, the Getty while beautiful, was not as much fun as this thread.
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    Well this has to be one of the first decent posts I have from you. Eagle Ranch is not a concern to me or other North County folks. With this economy it's so far down the road. And it's build out will take a while as most people want to live in Paso or Templeton.

    For the most part, I don't see much growth in North County. My parents and I do most of our shopping at the Target or Trader Joes shopping center or we go to SLO's Costco or other places in SLO. There is no job draw in North County too. It's becoming mostly a commuter community with some tourism in Paso.
    Quote Originally posted by CPSURaf View post
    http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showp...8&postcount=32

    Really? You posted an opinion from the Cal Coast News? A non-print online rag that is below the San Luis New Times? A "news" source that recycles news and has an investigative reporter who "supposedly digs for facts but all she can do is read a top of a folder and make a news story out of it even if you read the signed agreement it said "low income housing". Yea. I would rely on that...

    Dude. I don't give a crap what goes in. I could give a flying funk what store or restaurant, or whatever. All i care about is if it is designed well, went through the permitting process properly, and had a proper public hearing process.

    As for Dalido, I have to keep my mouth shut. I no longer work for the company that produced material for the project, yet we sign confidentially clauses and I still honor that.

    You want to have a legit discussion on planning in San Luis such as Prado Road extension, Orcutt Specific Plan, Eagle Ranch and how that will shape the the north county, or anything else planning related, yea I will back it up. But all you seem to obsess about is this store, that store, this Macy's. Who cares? Seriously? Who Cares? People are reading this thread and laughing. Read it. It is comical. It is epic. It's UIC is threw the charts, and trust me, they are not laughing with you.

    You want facts. These are all the facts you need. Everything else is speculation. Read, love them, get to know them. After that, the TIs and everything else gets plan checked against them. Why should planners care about what goes in?
    And speculation is the mother of all ****ups..

    http://www.slocity.org/communitydeve...wnfinaleis.pdf

    http://www.slocity.org/communitydeve...leirupdate.pdf

    http://www.slocity.org/communitydeve...alAddendum.pdf

    http://www.slocity.org/cityclerk/min.../111709min.pdf

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    According to this the Chinatown project would be considered a lifestyle center with 150,000sq. ft. and national upscale retail:

    http://www.icsc.org/srch/lib/2010%20...sification.pdf

    According to this on page 2-5 it shows the square footage of each part:

    http://www.slocity.org/communitydeve...alAddendum.pdf

    There is at 51,000 sq. ft. of retail. Which in this article is the miniumium requirement to be a lifestyle center:

    http://www.icsc.org/srch/sct/sct0402/page59.php

    It might not be important what this center is considered, but I thought I'd bring it up.

    Now, SLO is doing what many cities are doing in that the government is planning a pre-WW2 downtown with high rise-density housing and more access to mass transit.

    Any new homes that are built, such as the Orcutt Road and Margarita homes, are being affordable and in not high density.

    Now, SLO being able to build Garden Street Terraces and the Chinatown Project has alot to do with their being a good percentage of college graduates willing to live in that area and what not.

    http://www.slocity.org/communitydeve...inal%20EIR.pdf

    And yeah, I can see Whole Foods going into Garden Street Terraces.

    And let's not forget a mix-used center under development:

    http://www.garciaarchdesign.com/mix/...0Mix%20SLO.pdf

    Which is also under the Uptown Plan:

    http://uptownslo.com/

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    Why would it not be a theme/festival according to your chart?

    Why is this called Chinatown when there is nothing in the cultural resources part of the EIS that deals with a protected EJ population??
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    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner View post
    Why would it not be a theme/festival according to your chart?

    Why is this called Chinatown when there is nothing in the cultural resources part of the EIS that deals with a protected EJ population??
    There is no theme. It's generic SLO-downtown architecture.

    Theme/festival center is entertainment and restaurant. Only one restaurant and no entertainment.

    It's called the "CHINATOWN PROJECT" because Chinatown used to in this part of the city.

    In the EIR, and where ever you look you will find that there will be no Chinese reference. The city voted against any Chinese aesthetics.

    One thing is for sure that it fits mix-used:

    http://www.icsc.org/srch/lib/Mixed-use_Definition.pdf

    The Americana at Brand in Glendale is also a mix-used lifestyle center but at a way larger size.

    Now, comparing the Chinatown project to Colony Square in Atascadero the Colony Square is different as it's soley a mix-used center. The square footage for retail is not large enough to be considered a lifestyle center and the tenets are already not the type you'd see in a lifestyle center.

    Look at the Chinatown project. Looks like a small lifestyle mix-used center:

    http://media.sanluisobispo.com/smedi...filiate.76.jpg
    http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2009/11...ks-great.html#

    http://media.sanluisobispo.com/smedi...filiate.76.jpg

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    Fine, I guess you can call the Monterey Plaza a mix-used center with retail, residential, office, and hotel. But it's the biggest damn mix-used center with alot of retail too.

    Anyways, that and Garden Street Terraces with whole Foods is 3-4 years down the road from construction. And I heard the Radisson is the hotel in the talks...

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    Quote Originally posted by urban19 View post
    Now, comparing the Chinatown project to Colony Square in Atascadero the Colony Square is different as it's soley a mix-used center. The square footage for retail is not large enough to be considered a lifestyle center and the tenets are already not the type you'd see in a lifestyle center.
    what are you talking about? You make no sense. And it is called mixed use not mix-used.



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    Quote Originally posted by CPSURaf View post
    what are you talking about? You make no sense. And it is called mixed use not mix-used.



    and the train wreck continues
    Thanks for correcting my grammar.

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    Quote Originally posted by CPSURaf View post
    .......and the train wreck continues
    Like a Sam Peckinpah movie where everybody dies in slow motion?
    I think that one of the great signs of security is the ability to just walk away.

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    Quote Originally posted by RichmondJake View post
    Like a Sam Peckinpah movie where everybody dies in slow motion?
    No those have more interest. This is more misinformed jabber then a car going off a cliff....
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    Quote Originally posted by Hink_Planner View post
    No those have more interest. This is more misinformed jabber then a car going off a cliff....
    you mean like this:

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    Quote Originally posted by CPSURaf View post
    you mean like this:

    Yes. Exactly
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    Quote Originally posted by Hink_Planner View post
    .......This is more misinformed jabber then a car going off a cliff....
    Let me finish that sentence for you: "...in slow motion."
    I think that one of the great signs of security is the ability to just walk away.

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