LOL! - I may be off the mark, but it sounds like the point of this thread is that "urban 19" has a paper due at CalPoly.
LOL! - I may be off the mark, but it sounds like the point of this thread is that "urban 19" has a paper due at CalPoly.
With the exception that his master plan tells him he has a higher calling at CSUN. I don't know where his "research" is taking him. Maybe it has something to do with Gangster Clothing at JC Penny's or something. I have yet to respond when his "research" came up with Bay Street Center being emeryville's Downtown because i fell out my chair laughing. Oh well, i am sure someone will Chime in. Where is RJ when we need him?Originally posted by OregonPlanner
LOL! - I may be off the mark, but it sounds like the point of this thread is that "urban 19" has a paper due at CalPoly.
Brotip #2418 - know when it's time to switch from being "the little engine that could" to the "little engine that said, 'f*ck it'"
DittoWell, actually, I just almost fell out of my chair.
Urban19 - Emeryville doesn't have a downtown. It's a city that basically exists for stuff that would be too expensive/politically difficult to pull off in Berkeley to the north or Oakland to the south. High rise residential, loft residential with loads of parking, big box stores galore, PIXAR (Steve Jobs needs his 20 foot walls), biotech stuff (also typically looking fortress-like).
Two wrongs don't necessarily make a right, but three lefts do.
Pacific Avenue in Santa Cruz is no longer called the "Garden Mall." Not since its rebuilding after the Loma Prieta earthquake. It's just, Pacific Avenue. Do some research.
In fact, Pacific Avenue has be avoided by the San Jose crowd for years. Even lots of locals avoid Pacific Avenue--street urchins and inappropriate social behavior are the main causes. (Google Robert Norse and Becky Johnson.)
The Raf gigging me.
A nuisance may be merely a right thing in the wrong place — like a pig in the parlor instead of the barnyard.
Okay, well is Bay Street "street retail" or a "lifestyle center"? Does Walnut Creek or Palo Alto downtown have anything like the downtown center?
That expllains why none of my friends and relatives have suggested we visit it in a long time.
no but there downtowns are better
Brotip #2418 - know when it's time to switch from being "the little engine that could" to the "little engine that said, 'f*ck it'"
i heard walnut creek and palo alto's downtown has mix-used centers along side street like the court street center. what r the names of the mix-used centers in their downtown?no but there downtowns are better
so does palo alto's downtown have a college town square or mix-used center along university avenue?
No. There is a Borders that is inside of a converted old theater on University Ave, but that's it. There's a large mall (Stanford Shopping Center) across El Camino Real next to Stanford (the mall is actually partially owned by the university) that has just about every high end store that you can think of - it's not geared towards typical college students.
Two wrongs don't necessarily make a right, but three lefts do.
Court street is not mixed use center. It does not contain a residential component. That got shot down by the City Council in 2001 because of the lack of parking. It just a mix of uses office/retail. Get your terminology strait. And plus what is this "town square" you are talking about? Isn't the definition of a town square a meeting/gathering place for those living in town to come together? Technically speaking, that would be mission plaza imo.
Brotip #2418 - know when it's time to switch from being "the little engine that could" to the "little engine that said, 'f*ck it'"
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And you want to use me as a reference?
A nuisance may be merely a right thing in the wrong place — like a pig in the parlor instead of the barnyard.
Court Street Center is a mix-used center because it is "retail" and office". Mix-used is defined as retail and office, residential and office, or retail and residential, or all 3. And the downtown center is what i consider to be a town square shopping center. since its more of a main hang out place for ppl to go to.
http://www.icsc.org/srch/about/impac...efinitions.pdf
this defines a mix-used center.
Okay, so if Court Street Center is not a mix-used center then would you consider Chinatown a mix-used center? All though, Chinatown is not really a center.
Maybe we need a definition for places like Court Street in San Luis Obispo, Old Town Center in Los Gatos, Carmel Plaza in Carmel, and others like them. Perhaps a retail village? They include "high-end" stores that are not normally found in cities or malls and their prices for products are more expensive than normal places. They are too small to be a lifestyle center or open-air mall, but have major retail stores.
BTW Raf, do you think that Chinatown will attract more national chains or be filled up with local stores?
Its components and size may make it what ever you want to classify it, Retail, Entertainment, what ever............it sounds like it was a pat response by the developer and its only true function is to turn a buck for the developer.....I give it a F.
I was in Downtown SLO recently it certainly does not need this.
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So Court Street Center is not considered mix-used? What would the Chinatown project be considered? Could that be considered a mix-used project?
Court street is a mix of use, translation, a mix of small office on top of a retail.
Chinatown, if implemented as planned, would fit the planners definition of mixed-use. It contains office/retail and...
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residential component
As others as said, why try to fit everything in a nice neat box. the best planning projects never do.
Brotip #2418 - know when it's time to switch from being "the little engine that could" to the "little engine that said, 'f*ck it'"
Yeah I gave up on putting things into boxes. I guess you can't consider it a "mix-used center" since it's not a center but includes street retail and second lvl retail, hotel, offices, and residential.
I think it's a very nice project. By the time I'm done with college it will hopefully be built.
With all due respect, that was in the North East.
Have you seen Cali Weather all year long?
I am starting to think that the Chinatown project is not even a center, but just a redevelopment project adding new downtown stores (15). Many people including myself are just upset that more rich people are moving in and taking control of everything. I can see Williams Sonoma, J. Crew, Wet Seal, Trade Secret, and maybe two more other high end clothing stores going in. This was the trend with Court Street as half went local and half went to national retailers-Chicos, Abercrombie, Talbots, Pottery Barn, Aveda, and Sephora. Not to mention I think Whole Foods will want to go in Garden Street Terraces to be near the other high-end retailers. Of course many of us should have seen this coming with the glamorization of SLO and Cal Poly's growing sphere of influence. Even poor Templeton is giving into the rich coming in with a high-end tennis club going in and us already building more fancy homes and gated communities.
I think you should just start a thread for you. Make it about the topics you want to talk about. Then answer yourself. Personally, I stay out of your topics because when someone tells you an informed response, you go back to what you think, instead of using that information to add to your knowledge base. The first thing you really need to get a hold of is that there are always people who know more than you. You are into SLO. I get that, but you are getting to be a one trick pony, and it is becoming boring.
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My thoughts too.
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Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
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Are you sure you're not hurt ?
No. Just some parts wake up faster than others.
Broke parts take a little longer, though.
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